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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/30/2007 12:51:21 PM

popeye1250

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C&F, when I left that interview I remember thinking to myself; "well, it looks like I wasted 4 years in college, a lot of good that did."
There were people working in that office in sales who didn't go to college who made a lot, and I mean a LOT more money than me.
Luckily for me the Veteran's Administration paid for my schooling.
Like Susan said it's good to go to college for "self enrichment" but it doesn't always lead to a job unless you specialise like Nursing, Accounting ,Engineering etc.
One thing that needs to be taken into account and probably more so than education is experience.
The woman who hired me for that insurance sales job started out on the bottom rung of sales and eventually became the branch manager.
She worked hard, learned the business and stuck it out.
She was paid based on the production of the sales team that she lead and did extremely well. Again, no degree.
There are a lot of people out there with no work ethic.
Comming into work ontime or early, knowing your job or product, staying late to get a job done, being courteous to co-workers all count for a lot.

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/30/2007 4:46:50 PM

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Meanwhile, companies want the lowest possible wage bill, and can recruit immigrants who live in multiple occupancy houses and so save a lot of money and can work for low wages. Maybe the future is to reinstitute slavery so that the corporations can jam a dozen people in a hut and pay them next to nothing. As long as the CEO gets a new Mercedes every year, all will be right with the world.

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Ah, but outsourcing has all the benefits, PLUS getting to bypass those tiresome environmental and workplace safety laws that the more "industrialized" nations have gotten so fussy about.

And a new Mercedes isn't the sign of success in the big leagues... When you get serious about maximizing shareholder value, it's all about the private jets

For what it's worth, tho, my wife just had to fire her seventh receptionist in six years because she's missed 25 days of work since December.

Is tough all over

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/30/2007 4:58:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I've been interviewing people for the last couple of weeks now and I think I know why the unemployment rate is so high.

People come to their interviews looking like they pulled their clothing out of a rag bag.

Actual answers to questions I asked:

Q. Why did you choose our company to apply to?
A. Because I just really need a job.

Q. Why did you leave your last job?
A. I have a problem getting along with co-workers.

Q. What do you see as your biggest fault?
A. I'm pretty lazy most of the time.

Q. Do you consider yourself to be dependable?
A. Well, other than I'm late a lot...yeah.

Q. You have experience listed that doesn't coincide with your job history. Where did that experience come from?
A. That's what I did when I was in prison.

Q. Have you ever been fired?
A. A couple times. I have a lot of issues and I've been absent a lot.

Q. Tell me about your former employer.
A. He was an immature asshole who needed to grow up and try to act like a professional.

Q. What would you do differently if you had his position?
A. Everything!

Q. What do you think is your greatest asset?
A. At my last job I am the only one who ever did anything. I don't know how they are staying in business since I'm not there anymore. I can't believe they fired me.

Three people didn't bother to show up for their interviews. One was 40 minutes late. I finally selected 3 candidates. Two of them were supposed to start this morning. It's my day off but I drove out there at 5 am to welcome them and introduce them to the staff. Both were no call no shows.

Grrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!

(And China's ahead of us because.....?)

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/30/2007 5:52:10 PM

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They dont teach interviewing, resume-writing, or career skills in schools anymore. And now that "generation Y" is entering the job force, It's starting to show.

Actually, in some places they still do. Before graduating from Nursing school at Purdue, every person went through at least 4 mock-interviews in addition to the practice testing and 'regular' coursework.

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/30/2007 6:19:11 PM

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OMG, there was a girl who came to her job interview in a freaking halter top...

There once was an interview I went to, in a sundress, ( I will have to admit, I didn't necessarily want the job, I went just for the practice of the interview). But they offered it to me...and I took it!

I went to a job interview that I was perfectly qualifed for, nailed the interview, realized halfway through the interview I really did not want the job.

So I asked for 2.5 times my salary at my real job thinking I would scare them away.

They offered me the job.

Bastards.

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/30/2007 6:20:10 PM

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For 10 years I was a licensed Day Care Provider, and it was the perfect job. Contrary to belief, patience isn't needed -- or they'll run all over you -- but you do need the desire to help, consistency in everything (especially if you have your own kids), and the list goes on...(feel free to email me for more..lol). Twelve years ago, when my youngest started 1st grade i went "back to work" (ha!! like i hadn't been working my tushy off..lol). In all these years i've come to one conclusion -- there's very little difference between Day Care and Legal Secretary -- only the size and vocabulary have changed...little else!!!!

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Gita, you should start a Day Care biz.

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/30/2007 6:34:50 PM

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Um, have things changed precipitously? Last I heard, unemployment is only about 4.5%. That's nearly an all time low. I suppose that could be the problem, all the good ones already have jobs.
Joseff

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/30/2007 6:41:25 PM

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That is the national rate...but not here. As I said earlier in the thread, the overall rate in Michigan is at 7.2% with some counties being over 11.

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/30/2007 8:24:13 PM

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It's a crying shame you aren't in the Cinci area. I'd kill to get back into catering/banquet work.

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/30/2007 9:01:09 PM

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I have not bothered to read the ongoing replies to this thread. All I would like to say is Thank you for your original post.

So many complain about the unemployment rate. But every news paper, temp agency, and Work Force team constantly announce "Help Wanted!!! Part Time, Full Time, As Needed, work positions are needed to be filled." The jobs have always been there.

Thanks again for bringing common sense to the table of our unemployment issue.

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/30/2007 9:15:44 PM

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id just like to add my opinion as a person who will be looking for my frist job ever... its hard to find a good place to work.. expecial now.. the unemploment rate is low because only certain people/places r survied. the only real place i might have any real chance at getting a job is at wally world (wal-mart) because i like in the middle of ohio and im 19 with no experience. emploerys want people that will do it there way.. but they want people with experience.. thats a double negitive there.. wouldnt it just be easier/better to train a person from scratch ur way? but people r lazy.. most people no matter where they are in the job ladder... im gonna hate going job hunting.. and im waiting till school is back in.. maybe then ill have half a chance at getting work.. cuz all the teens that have been working so many hours all summer will be in school.. its hard looking for a job.. no matter what age/experience/whatever.. its just hard cuz so many people have stupid prerecs that dont make sence when u put them next to each other. im gonna end my rant here before i start bitching about other stuff that r way off topic.

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/31/2007 1:27:17 AM

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Interviewing and training people is very difficult. Finding people who have a sense of responsibility
and a strong work ethic is not an easy task.

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/31/2007 7:05:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Interviewing and training people is very difficult. Finding people who have a sense of responsibility
and a strong work ethic is not an easy task.

Vendaval:
Are you discussing finding an employee or a sub?
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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/31/2007 7:13:32 AM

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The unemployment "rate" is a real number but few understands what it actually means.

Say we have a population of 100 adult people and only two were working, we could have 4.5 unemplyment because of how the number is calculated.

It isn't that ONLY 4.5 percent are unemployed out of the entire population, the number ONLY means that of the people who have lost their job (I can't recall the exact date/time) within a very short window, a few months at most and a few weeks perhaps, 4.5% haven't found a new job. In other words, if those 4.5% don't find jobs and nobody else loses theirs, in a few months we will go to 0% unemployment.

Bush drastically changed how the unemployment number is calculated and shortened the time frame before you fall OUT of being unemployed and are no longer counted.

There are lies, damn lies, and then statistics...

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/31/2007 7:14:51 AM

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Um, have things changed precipitously? Last I heard, unemployment is only about 4.5%. That's nearly an all time low. I suppose that could be the problem, all the good ones already have jobs.
Joseff

Of course, the unemployment rate is determined by adding up the number of people on unemployment.

Unemployment benefits are not unending. A person becomes disqualified for them and falls off the list, he or she is considered "employed."

Additionally, a person who goes from a six figure income to working at McDonalds for minimum wage is also considered employed.

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/31/2007 8:10:23 AM

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The people that you want, that you truly need to work for you, aren't going to come from the everyday process of placing a classified and running interviews. The people that respond to these are often entry level people that haven't had a job, have little to no experience and don't know how to do the whole networking thing.

To find skilled labor, you often need to seek out the employees instead of having them come to you. For example, a bakery would go to the culinary and vocational schools to advertise and interview for intern positions. They'd go to cooking fairs, etc. They would essentialy go to all of the places that would interest them if that was the line of work that they *enjoyed*.

After running a small business myself for quite some time, I learned that the people I wanted to work for me did not come in responding to classifieds. They were too busy doing what they enjoyed doing which just so happened to also be what I was hiring for. So the trick was to go and find them. And if by some odd chance one did come in seeking my business out and they'd be a great addition to the team but I had no positions open for them, I'd create one.

I also learned to never hire somebody just because I needed shoes to fill a position. I only hired because I needed that person to fill that position. They were a good fit. Education and past experience didn't matter as everyone got retrained the way that I wanted them to be. Their training period was often hard on them as they had to work their little asses off harder than they ever had before in their lives for any company. But, if they made it past the initial training period, they didn't ever want to leave their jobs. They were treated as though they were golden. Their wants and needs were important. Because, as an employer, I remembered one thing that most places often forget.

It is the staff that makes the company successful. Without a happy and successful staff, the company is doomed to failure.

For most companies these days it's about the bottom line and lining the pockets of those that are higher up before lining the pockets of those that are lower on the ladder. Yes, time in does count for something but it shouldn't be that it counts for everything. See to the needs of your people, and they will see to your needs. On the flipside of that, the trick is to hire the people you want serving the needs of your customers as well.

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/31/2007 10:14:22 AM

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I think there's a relationship between LoveEverylastin's comment and Popeye's observation that the best $ rewards go to the people in Sales. LoveEvery's strategy is to hire people as if the business is her own -- which it WAS. Salespeople who do well generally love what they do. Employees who work for themselves -- their own companies -- generally love what they do, also.

So, if you can, work for yourself -- find something that people want and need, and then you fill that need. I'd say that's Marketing, really. Marketing is not just selling -- it is (at least it should be) filling someone's need, and at a profit that's enough for the company or the marketer to survive and be able to do it another day, and enough for him/her to LIKE to do it another day.

If there's truly reasons that you can't go into business for yourself, then when you're an employee then ACT as if you're in business for yourself (because you really are; it's YOUR life, it's YOUR survival; it's YOUR compensation, and YOU care much more than the employer what you get out of the time you put in and the work that you do -- whether it's a good, caring employer or an employer who's only out for THEMselves.

So, in the words of a good book title "Go Hire Yourself an Employer". When you interview, look for a job and a company and a boss that'll meet YOUR needs. When you work, work as if you're the owner -- because you ARE the owner of you; you are the one who's going to care more about the outcome (in $, in satisfaction, in time spent) to yourself than anyone else does.

I spent more years than I like to remember working for somebody else, being unsatisfied and feeling under-appreciated and under-paid, in fear of being fired, fear of babies starving,etc. before I figured out that I'd work harder and better for me than for someone else. My 2 cents.

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/31/2007 10:43:27 AM

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"id just like to add my opinion as a person who will be looking for my frist job ever... its hard to find a good place to work.. expecial now.. the unemploment rate is low because only certain people/places r survied. the only real place i might have any real chance at getting a job is at wally world (wal-mart) because i like in the middle of ohio and im 19 with no experience. emploerys want people that will do it there way.. but they want people with experience.. thats a double negitive there.. wouldnt it just be easier/better to train a person from scratch ur way? but people r lazy.. most people no matter where they are in the job ladder... im gonna hate going job hunting.. and im waiting till school is back in.. maybe then ill have half a chance at getting work.. cuz all the teens that have been working so many hours all summer will be in school.. its hard looking for a job.. no matter what age/experience/whatever.. its just hard cuz so many people have stupid prerecs that dont make sence when u put them next to each other. im gonna end my rant here before i start bitching about other stuff that r way off topic. "

This is sarcasm I hope....

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/31/2007 2:06:13 PM

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Yes!

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Interviewing and training people is very difficult. Finding people who have a sense of responsibility
and a strong work ethic is not an easy task.

Vendaval:
Are you discussing finding an employee or a sub?
thompson

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RE: I know why the unemployment rate is so high! - 8/31/2007 6:15:55 PM

Joseff

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

That is the national rate...but not here. As I said earlier in the thread, the overall rate in Michigan is at 7.2% with some counties being over 11.

Ouch, that is high.
Joseff

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