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Marc2b -> RE: Edwards wants to force you to see a doctor (9/4/2007 8:05:06 AM)
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Ahh...the Texas Two Step,sometimes known as waffeling....and sex is protection from what ....boredom?
Well, I’m certainly not bored during sex, but I was actually thinking in terms of protection of ones genes through their perpetuation.
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You seem to be suggesting that because some people do bad things as a group then no groups should be formed.
I don’t know where you’d get a silly idea like that. Especially since I have long maintianed that humans are a tribal species with a natural inclination to form hierarchies. What I am stating (not suggesting) is that just because something can be done, doesn’t mean it should be. Just because a group can do something that an individual can’t doesn’t mean they should. A collective solution may work in some instances but not in all and you should not reflexively assume that a collective solution is automatically the best or most desirable method.
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Are you saying that doing something for the greater good of society should be for free? We have public sewers that the government forced the citizens to pay for. Would you prefer to shit in a bucket?
Nothing is free. That aside, I am saying that (with very rare exceptions) the individual’s primary motivation is not the greater good but the personal good of himself and his family. The creation of a public sewer system is an example of a collective solution because most people prefer to flush away their shit rather than haul it outside in a bucket and so are willing to pay for the service. But, the man digging underground to make way for a sewer pipe is not primarily motivated by a desire to help other people move their shit. His primary motivation is to earn money so he can provide for himself and his family.
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That may be your definition of it but that is not what any political science book will use as a definition. You live in a socialist country. You enjoy the benefits of that socialism. You rant on and on about how bad it is yet offer no constructive alternatives except vague references to self reliance,capitalism,corporatism and so forth.
Just because you read something in a book doesn’t mean it’s true. You have to apply logic and common sense. Your defining socialism down to include any case of two or more people co-operating on something is utter bullshit. It is an attempt to obfuscate socialism’s failings and natural tyrannic nature. A police force or a school system are not examples of socialism. A government owning an entire industry (or all means of production) is. It screws up the economy and fucks over people lives.
I have continually offered alternatives: adherence to the Constitution, the free market, rule of law consistently and neutrally applied. In other words – freedom.
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You luxuriate in socialism from the education you have to the roads you drive on to the fire and police protection you enjoy.
As I’ve already said, none of these are example of socialism.
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You do not know dick about Chavez,Castro or Triet yet you castigate them in ignorance. You assume that they are living large while their constituents live in abject poverty.
I clearly know more about them than you do. Castro is a murderer and a torturer who seized power through armed violence and throws people into prison if they say the "wrong" things. I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned Triet but my understanding is that his position is largely ceremonial. As for Chavez, he came to power using mob intimidation against his opponent. He is using his power to shut down freedom of the press and to drive opposition out of the country. Now he seeks to rig the Venezuela Constitution so he can be dictator for life. He is a tyrant and you’d realize that if you took you lips off his ass long enough to draw a breath and get some oxygen to your brain.
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Open your mind up a bit and do a little reading.
Funny, I was going to say the same thing about you.
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You rant on and on about this socialist dictator and that socialist dictator yet these people are put in power by their constituents. They are freely elected not appointed like our current president.
Castro came to power through revolution and there hasn’t been a free election there since. Chavez’s elections are dubious as well and even if I were to grant that the elections were free and fair that only shows that the people who voted for him are – at best – dumbasses (anyone who votes for a socialist is a dumbass). Vietnam is a communist country so it too has no free elections.
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You make a definition out of thin air as to the nature of socialism
No doubt about it, you definitely need to read more.
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and then denigrate it based on your own definition. Does it ever occur to you to compare what the people in these countries have now as opposed to what they had before?
We’ve been over this before. It is an another attempt on your part to obfuscate the true nature of socialism. At best, it is debatable whether the Russian people had it better under Communism or the Czar. I said it before and I’ll say it again – if your master loosens your leash a little, you’re still on a leash.
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You rant on and on about how socialist governments are coercive ...all governments are coercive.
Our Constitution sought to put limits on that coercive power. Socialistic governments seek no such limits. They may pay lip service to the concept of rights and limited government power but such are actually anathema to them. How else can they force people to behave and think the way the government wants them to?
If the people in your town vote to raise the tax on property for schools or garbage pick up there will always be at least one person who does not want an increase in taxes but the majority vote and that person looses and is coerced into paying his or her share of the increase.
Or he can move somewhere else where the taxes aren’t as high. At least, that is the idea behind our Constitution. Don’t like the property taxes in your State, move to a State with lower taxes. Don’t like the health care services in your State, move to another State. Under your system, no matter where a person moved they’d find the same high taxes and the same coercive power.
If we are all in a life boat we need collective effort on the oars...if you do not want to do your share then get out of the boat.
Once again, you are equating any collective effort with socialism. It is a false analogy If we end up in life boat together, I will gladly pull an oar – assuming I can resist the urge to smack you upside the head with it.
Hey everybody! We’re having socialist for dinner! And the best part is they cook themselves because they’re so full of hot air!
Saying so does not make it so.
I don’t have to say it to make it so. It already is so.
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