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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Just the kind of junk you can expect from a socialized healthcare system that the Democrats want and are pushing hard for in this election....

John Edwards now says that a new system he is proposing should FORCE people to see a doctor as a form of preventive care.

Now I agree that it is best to see a doctor often for check-ups. However I do not agree with this idea that the government should force you to go.

What is it that liberals have such a problem trying to understand individual freedom? If someone wants to smoke. If someone wants to eat junk food. If someone refuses to go to a hospital....IT IS THEIR DECISION! It is their life and they should be able to choose how they wnat to live it. Why is this concept so difficult for liberals to understand? I know that having that hot fudge sundae after dinner is not good for my diet. But it should be MY choice whether to eat it or not. I dont need the god damn government to come in and tell me I can't.

Liberals claim they are in favor of freedoms.... I sure as hell dont see much of it in their socialist policies.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070902/ap_on_el_pr/edwards_2

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yes you need to

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the deal is any constitutional lawyer worth his salt for the socialized healthcare side is going to use that for intimating intent. Then he or she will grab any old amendment and hammer it to mean life, welfare, promote, liberty common defense----

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Your counter arguments councillors? I can be pretty sure such laws would not be found unconstitutional.

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But after the laws get passed (another issue) we will deal with that.

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I think I was channeling farglebargle there for a moment.

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Where will these fucking socialist stop?

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Where will these fucking socialist stop?

They wont. Like any power hungry group they always seek more and more and more.

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Ah... The experiment is a success! They told me I was MAD! I'll show them!

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Perhaps that is why we form ourselves into societies...so that we as a group can accomplish more than we can as individuals.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Perhaps that is why we form ourselves into societies...so that we as a group can accomplish more than we can as individuals.

We form ourselves into societies first and foremost for protection.
This is opinion not fact.  The smallest society is a man and a woman and that grouping was not for protection but for sex,procreation and increased food gathering potential.

Accomplishing more than we can as individuals is not necessarily a good thing (societies can accomplish genocide better than individuals can).
Of all the societies that have been formed on this planet the number who have chosen to involve themselves in genocide is far outnumbered by those who have not.
 


The problem is the concentration of power and it’s addictive nature.

The solution to the abuse of concentrated power is not to hand that power to another group. The solution is to diffuse power.
The house you live in was not built by an individual.  The road your house is on was not built by an individual.  The wires that bring the electricity to your house were not strung by an individual neither was the power station that generates that electricity built by an individual.  All of the things that you as an individual enjoy in your life were accomplished by society yet you constantly rant against society and anything that smacks of a collective effort while at the same time you continue to luxuriate in the benefits of socialism...like the dog who bites his own tail because it follows him.
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This is opinion not fact. The smallest society is a man and a woman and that grouping was not for protection but for sex,procreation and increased food gathering potential.

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Of all the societies that have been formed on this planet the number who have chosen to involve themselves in genocide is far outnumbered by those who have not.

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The house you live in was not built by an individual. The road your house is on was not built by an individual. The wires that bring the electricity to your house were not strung by an individual neither was the power station that generates that electricity built by an individual.

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All of the things that you as an individual enjoy in your life were accomplished by society yet you constantly rant against society and anything that smacks of a collective effort

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while at the same time you continue to luxuriate in the benefits of socialism...like the dog who bites his own tail because it follows him.

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

You can eat all the junk food you want, have a stroke and spend 16 years in a nursing home IF you have the insurance to cover it. Because if you aren't paying for it, then every other taxpayer is. And that's the bottom line.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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This is opinion not fact. The smallest society is a man and a woman and that grouping was not for protection but for sex,procreation and increased food gathering potential.

Protection of the species through reproduction. Protection against starvation.

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Of all the societies that have been formed on this planet the number who have chosen to involve themselves in genocide is far outnumbered by those who have not.

Yet my point remains – the ability of groups to accomplish thing that individuals cannot is not necessarily a good thing.

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The house you live in was not built by an individual. The road your house is on was not built by an individual. The wires that bring the electricity to your house were not strung by an individual neither was the power station that generates that electricity built by an individual.

Did the people who did these things do them for the greater good or for their own personal good (i.e. because it was a paying job)?

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All of the things that you as an individual enjoy in your life were accomplished by society yet you constantly rant against society and anything that smacks of a collective effort

I do not. I rant and rave against socialism because it is a tyrannical despotism based upon the false beliefs that people are incapable of making decision for themselves and that something can be worth other than what it really is.

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while at the same time you continue to luxuriate in the benefits of socialism...like the dog who bites his own tail because it follows him.

No one luxuriates in socialism except the leaders – same as every other tyranny.  I bet Chavez is living pretty high on the hog these days.

It is not collective effort that I am against - it is forced collective effort. 

Socialism is slavery.

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ORIGINAL: Hottiegurl

I am sick of congress and lawmakers.  I too am tired of them telling us what to eat, drink, wear or not to wear, and I can't understand forcing the issue that everyone needs to go see a doctor. 
 
I am full of diverse ideas.  God forbid I change.  People read my car sticker and my license holder and freak.  First of all I have a Bush sticker (people try to remove it).  I don't go removing theirs when I don't agree.  The my plate holder reads: Sex Drugs Rock and Roll.  My conversations at gas pumps are unusal. 
 
Republican yes, gay rights yes, Money should be mine yes, Smoking and drinking yes ( with reservations on how and when) Deep pockets law suits no,  Health care forced no,  Fishing and hunting yes (leave them alone) let me eat hot dogs hamburgers french fries and shakes yes, on one of the other subjects (Fat Tax--- grrrrr)  Pretty soon my taxes are going to be higher than the mortgage. Shssssh.
 
Go figure, I want to join this place for information on wicca and physic stuff and what do I get in the newsletter.  Lets bring down Bush and fix the world.  I guess they don't think someone can be Republican and still have a diverse thought on religion.  Burns my butt, not my bra.

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

You can eat all the junk food you want, have a stroke and spend 16 years in a nursing home IF you have the insurance to cover it. Because if you aren't paying for it, then every other taxpayer is. And that's the bottom line.

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Gee, I have mentioned this to every body who has ever posted in opposition to unversal health care.

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ORIGINAL: MistressMommyNC

"If the Senators and Representatives had any integrity they would say, "the Constitution only grants Congress specific (enumerated) powers. Health care isn’t mentioned so we have no authority over it. It is a matter for the States." Ya... I know.."

Ok, it also doesn't mention education either. No where at all (read it carefully) so..does that mean we do away with funding for education. Each family takes care of educating  their own children and those that can't afford it we leave their kids on the street to continue becoming gang members, and committing crimes? 

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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This is opinion not fact. The smallest society is a man and a woman and that grouping was not for protection but for sex,procreation and increased food gathering potential.

Protection of the species through reproduction. Protection against starvation.
Ahh...the Texas Two Step,sometimes known as waffeling....and sex is protection from what ....boredom?

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Of all the societies that have been formed on this planet the number who have chosen to involve themselves in genocide is far outnumbered by those who have not.

Yet my point remains – the ability of groups to accomplish thing that individuals cannot is not necessarily a good thing.
You seem to be suggesting that because some people do bad things as a group then no groups should be formed.

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The house you live in was not built by an individual. The road your house is on was not built by an individual. The wires that bring the electricity to your house were not strung by an individual neither was the power station that generates that electricity built by an individual.

Did the people who did these things do them for the greater good or for their own personal good (i.e. because it was a paying job)?
Are you saying that doing something for the greater good of society should be for free?  We have public sewers that the government forced the citizens to pay for.  Would you prefer to shit in a bucket?

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All of the things that you as an individual enjoy in your life were accomplished by society yet you constantly rant against society and anything that smacks of a collective effort

I do not. I rant and rave against socialism because it is a tyrannical despotism based upon the false beliefs that people are incapable of making decision for themselves and that something can be worth other than what it really is.
That may be your definition of it but that is not what any political science book will use as a definition.  You live in a socialist country.  You enjoy the benefits of that socialism.  You rant on and on about how bad it is yet offer no constructive alternatives except vague references to self reliance,capitalism,corporatism and so forth.

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while at the same time you continue to luxuriate in the benefits of socialism...like the dog who bites his own tail because it follows him.

No one luxuriates in socialism except the leaders – same as every other tyranny.  I bet Chavez is living pretty high on the hog these days.
You luxuriate in socialism from the education you have to the roads you drive on to the fire and police protection you enjoy.
You do not know dick about Chavez,Castro or Triet yet you castigate them in ignorance.  You assume that they are living large while their constituents live in abject poverty.  Open your mind up a bit and do a little reading.  You rant on and on about this socialist dictator and that socialist dictator yet these people are put in power by their constituents.  They are freely elected  not appointed like our current president.  You make a definition out of thin air as to the nature of socialism and then denigrate it based on your own definition.  Does it ever occur to you to compare what the people in these countries have now as opposed to what they had before?
You rant on and on about how socialist governments are coercive ...all governments are coercive.  If the people in your town vote to raise the tax on property for schools or garbage pick up there will always be at least one person who does not want an increase in taxes but the majority vote and that person looses and is coerced into paying his or her  share of the increase.

It is not collective effort that I am against - it is forced collective effort.
If we are all in a life boat we need collective effort on the oars...if you do not want to do your share then get out of the boat. 

Socialism is slavery.
Saying so does not make it so.

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Ok, it also doesn't mention education either. No where at all (read it carefully) so..does that mean we do away with funding for education. Each family takes care of educating their own children and those that can't afford it we leave their kids on the street to continue becoming gang members, and committing crimes?