miikaawaadizi
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ORIGINAL: IronBear
Most are rational people who do tend to live by the "Honour Code" which, whilst is not Gorean in origin is part of the Gorean culture.
Gorean is, in most respects, a collation of theories and concepts that have existed in many forms and many cultures throughout history, all packaged and labelled with a new definition - Gorean. Goreans didn't "invent" these things, rather (I believe), these things are sort of "universal constants" that are present in many of the lifestyles as a result.
in many ways, classifying the concepts contained within works such as "Different Loving" as "BDSM" is not any different than classifying a subset of these concepts as part of "Gorean". there is a huge amount of fiction written based on the concepts of BDSM, just as there are fictional stories written around the concepts of Gorean. for example, why Gorean is bashed so frequently as fantasy, but butch dyke lesbianism isn't, although it is the main theme in the fiction of Pat Califa, always confuses me.
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ORIGINAL: nenakajira
I would never come down on someone for choosing a different path than I did. Nor would I call someone a freak or a gamer for it. So why is it that I have to log on and see that about my own beliefs? I thought that people under the "BDSM" blanket would be more tolerant and open minded or atleast not be abusive. I hate seeing that I was wrong.
my Master permits his girls to be opinionated ... as long as we know what we're having opinions about. anything else, he would correct us most severely as being prejudiced:
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> Prejudice \Prej"u*dice\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Prejudiced}; p.
> pr. & vb. n. {Prejudicing}.] [Cf. F. pr['e]judicier. See
> {Prejudice}, n.]
> 1. To cause to have prejudice; to prepossess with opinions
> formed without due knowledge or examination; to bias the
> mind of, by hasty and incorrect notions; to give an
> unreasonable bent to, as to one side or the other of a
> cause; as, to prejudice a critic or a juryman.
there's a lot of prejudice out there, not just about Goreans, and that's sad, when you consider it comes from within a community that is complaining about, and fighting against, the prejudices of the general population, the "vanillas". the contradictions inherent in some people, to complain about being on the receiving end of such prejudice, whilst practising the same level of unreasonable prejudice against part of their own "community", sometimes astounds me.
if people don't like Gorean as a philosophy because they know of it and don't agree with it, then that's fine, that's their choice. as the acronym says, your milage may vary. what works for some might not work for you. but if they discount it without even having found out what it is, they're simply closing their mind to more possibilities - even if they don't agree with the philosophies themselves, they might adopt parts of it that they do find resonate within them, and grow within how they live their own life. they'll never know, unless they look.
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ORIGINAL: Padriag
I can't help but think that these questions are asked either by online wannabe's engaging in theoretical explorations of things they have no direct knowledge of or experience with; or by people with a hidden agenda to attack and tear down the M/s relationship through indirected and unethical means. Either way, my answer to the question remains "What kind of stupid question is that, are you nuts?" And that, in my opinion, is exactly how the original poster should have replied when asked this ridiculous question.
as I recall, that answer was given, but in response to trying to explain slave failure in a limited medium (the IRC server) :)
in many cases, when people throw out "worst case scenario" questions, they are, I think, taking things to absurd levels to try to knock down absolute statements. some of them might be taking it too far, but in some cases the absolute statement does deserve to be challenged. if someone makes an absolute statement, and they have belief in what they claim, then they should be able to rationally debate it against even worst case scenario rebuttal, I think, even if the motives behind that scenario being presented is an attack and not a discussion.
one problem, I think, is that when it comes to the topic of slaves, the definition is so absolute that the consequences are also absolute. whilst we hope that the worst case scenarios likely from those absolutes never come up, they are possible. the question is whether or not the slave (or the Free involved for that matter) are aware of the possibilities behind the absolute condition that is our brand of slavery ... this is why, I believe, people should consider these types of scenarios well before accepting the place they want to claim. in that respect, the "ad absurdium" scenarios that some present are valid because they should force people to think "that's possible, do I want to face that possibility? if not, how do I avoid having to face it?".
when my Master is faced with someone who turns around and says "I'll do anything", he grins and notes the "mini chainsaw" he "has". a joke, perhaps, but a valid response to the absolute statement. so sometimes, I think, the worst case scenarios, whilst generally bad debating, do have a purpose if they force people to recognize the absolutism that is implicit in the lifestyle they wish to be a part of, and force them to think about just how they would face the worst case.
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ORIGINAL: MrThorns
I wonder, but is a slave still a slave even though they are locked up for 20 years to life? (One helluva Long-distance relationship)
I think the answer has to be yes, unless she is freed by her Master, she is still a slave.
how much she feels her slavery, whether she can serve the Free, all the acts that a slave performs as a slave, might not be possible for her (although, given the way prisons are run, chances are high that a slave behind bars is going to be serving someone), they don't define a slave. that she is property is enough to qualify.
~miika
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