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RE: Slave's Obedience - 10/8/2005 12:01:37 AM

Soulhuntre

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut
I find it troubling that because "master" says so, someone will risk going to jail.

Many people do.. it's a common reaction. Heck, it's even probably a reasonable one. IT si always somewhat disturbing to be reminded that there are folks out their who calue their own choices and judgement above that of society or the collective. Such a trait has led to much good and bad int he past.

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut
comparison would be to ask masters if they would lie, cheat, steal or kill for their slaves. After all, which one here is "supposed" to be the protector?

That would depend on the relationship. I knwo I never took ont he role of protector when I took on ownership. It did not trade them protectionf or service... they offered service in exchange for the chance to serve.

As for the rest of your question it would hinge on the term "for". Would I do those things for my properties benefit in a circumstance where I felt it was ethical? Of course I would. Would I do those things on the "say so" of their judgement that I would later have come to the same choice? Maybe. I trust them and they are smart girls.

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut
Do you stay with Master and go down with the ship or do you get on the life boat? Would he ask you to stay with him or order you onto the boat (guaranteeing that in the end you are masterless)? Do you forfeit your seat (guaranteeing your own death) so that he can survive? How about kicking that old lady out of the boat, since she probably doesn't have long to live anyway, and this way there is room for both of you?

Interesting question :)

I have my suspicions about which one my girls would choose... but in this instance I will simply say that I would expect them to obey an order to do any of the above.

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut
It is easy to say that you would obediently lie, cheat, steal or kill for your master in an ambiguous question. When faced with the reality, a lot might act differently.

Of course they might ... EVERY HUMAN might. Every police officer may become a coward, allowing the innocents to die while he hides. Every fireman might turn coward and allow another to die rather than risk themselves. The same goes for ANY circumstance where a human being - after much reflection - has dedicated themselves to path that involved much risk.

Every profession where the risks are high knows this - no amount of trainig,g simulation and discussion can tell you FOR SURE whether someone will break and run when the time comes or if they have the strength to follow their ethics. Hell, even mothers occasionally do save themselves at the expense of their children.

All we, and they, can do is look inside ourselves... evaluate those around us and trust those who seem worthy of our trust. It is true for the police "entry" teams I train, it is true for the tank crews I was part of, it is true for my girls.

It may turn out that if the time ever comes either or both of them might violate their ethics, their oaths, theirpromises, desires and core beliefs. In short, they may be craven. I can't say that won't happen.

All I can do is say that I trust them the way I trusted the guys who had guns and the task of watching my back.

I will say this, it wasn't an "easy" thing for either of them to say or promise or realize about themselves.

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut
Fantasy is great. Subs/slaves would all be totally obedient beautiful and thin, masters all handsome, honorable and perfect living in these homes with perfect dungeons and nannies to take our children out whenever we wanted to play.

Yup - it would be nice. However at least for me this discussion isn't about fantasy.

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut
cranky sub/slave are still very happy with each other and dont worry about whether or not one or the other will break the law to please the other.

I don't "worry" about it and neither do they - but it sure would have been stupid to own them or be owned without considering it.

p.s. this is bordering on the predicatable cycles of what is known as "Ye old death thread".

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RE: Slave's Obedience - 10/8/2005 12:07:44 AM

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"Ye old death thread".

Oh, PLEASE not the death thread!!! People will go on for YEARS!!!

LOL!!

It's 2 am... Why am I not in bed?

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RE: Slave's Obedience - 10/8/2005 12:41:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

Reading this thread was... interesting, to say the least.

I find the original question troubling, and one that personally I think is best answered with another question.

Under what realistic, reasonable circumstances would a Master ask a slave to steal or kill for him?

To me the orginal question is absurd, and smacks of being the type asked in order to entrap a slave in such a way that sets her up for failure regardless of how she answers. Its like asking a slave would she commit suicide if her Master told her to. Would a slave kill her children if ordered... are you people NUTS! Are we talking realistic healthy Master/slave relationships here or bizarre ficticious online cults? When I began my own journey in this lifestyle over a decade ago nobody I knew asked these kinds of questions, probably because most I knew then would have replied rather bluntly "What kind of stupid question is that? Are YOU nuts?" and dismissed the questioner as some lunatic out to attack the lifestyle. Today I see five pages of replies taking the question seriously, my how times change.

The original question has no context whatsoever, it asks the unlikely and absurd without ever offering under what realistic, reasonable circumstances such would actually occur. These kinds of questions don't deserve answers and they certainly don't deserve to be taken seriously. If the question had been something like "If your Master asked you to lie in public about the nature of your relationship (M/s) in order to conceal it and keep it private, would you do so?" is a question that could be taken seriously, it has context, it provides a realistic senario in which a slave living in a real M/s relationship in the real world might find herself. If the question had been, "suppose your Master is flat broke and is about to lose everything he owns to the bill collectors, would you steal in order to support him?" is not a question to be taken seriously. True it provides context, but its not a realistic context. It is not realistic because in first place in a M/s relationship the Master is always the one responsible for things and thus its up to him to deal with his financial problems. Secondly, its not realistic because in that situation there are other possible and better solutions that a sane and reasonable Master would be much more likely to pursue... like getting a job, having the slave get a job, they both get a job, file for bankruptcy, apply for debt relief, etc. and the question does not allow for nor consider these more likely events.

I can't help but think that these questions are asked either by online wannabe's engaging in theoretical explorations of things they have no direct knowledge of or experience with; or by people with a hidden agenda to attack and tear down the M/s relationship through indirected and unethical means. Either way, my answer to the question remains "What kind of stupid question is that, are you nuts?" And that, in my opinion, is exactly how the original poster should have replied when asked this ridiculous question.

But that's just my opinion, YMMV

I completely agree......and seriously worry about those that would lie, kill and cheat cause they were told too.....dont think that is what this lifestyle is about.

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