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BoiJen -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 1:20:18 PM)
I'll admit it I'ma size queen...er..king...something. I've thrown a 26ft bullwhip. I fuckin smakced the hell outta myself the first time with that bitch. It's then that I realized follow through with a whip is way different for a shorter whip than it is with a longer one. Then nagain I only threw it a few times as it aint my whip. Anyways...have fun get kinky not scared.

Archer -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 1:26:51 PM)
Take a quick run at Google Images search Bullwhip Scars there is a famous photograph of a black man former slave and his Bulwhip Scars. You can count the strikes if you take the time. Keloid be damned, those scars aint minor cuts. You can count the single strikes. With that image I'll rest the case that You Can do serious harm with a bullwhip.

Grlwithboy -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 1:29:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer Take a quick run at Google Images search Bullwhip Scars there is a famous photograph of a black man former slave and his Bulwhip Scars. You can count the strikes if you take the time. Keloid be damned, those scars aint minor cuts. You can count the single strikes. With that image I'll rest the case that You Can do serious harm with a bullwhip. Yes. That person was using a whip meant to do that and using it with the intent to do that, not accidentally having an "oops" while trying to make the other man have an endorphin high. I'll also throw out that the victorian Royal Navyman had a completely different experience being flogged than most of us. People supposedly died of the punitive floggings at times, if they were particulaly to be made an example of. I have one experience cutting with a whip - my dear slave H begging me to please please let him bleed for me. Me with my short nylon - I had to WORK at it, really!

mnottertail -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 1:30:34 PM)
LOL, but Archie--- that was not an accident. There is no doubt a whip can be some kind of motherfucker. Yeah, first thing, if you are playing with over a three foot whip in your bedroom (and for many that is risky) you are gonna have a hell of a time snatching mirrors off the wall, clocks off the dresser, and the occasional dresser drawer coming with the cracker.......and for fucks sake dont have the alcohol out for fire play, or candles burning same time. Takes alot of practice, it isn't slap and tickle play, fer shure!!!! Ron

Archer -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 1:35:35 PM)
I play with singletails and I know that that was done with intent but anything that can be done with intent can also be done by mistake (once). It would take a hell of a mistake but the absolutism of the you CANT seriously hurt someone statement is what I am battling against here not the general safety. "but there's no way that anyone is gonna get a cut bad enough from a singletail that will caus a trip to the emergency room unless they hit themselves in the eye because they don't know about follow through when throwing it. Trust me. I know a few sick fucks who've tried..." Take one of those scars and you have the potential of a really bad accident in the play space. Cumulatively they would be impossible to duplicate in a play space. But even a single stike mistakenly made in the manner those were made intentionally is a serious injury.

Elegant -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 1:42:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen I just said that it's impossible to put someone in the hopsital with injuries from a singletail given the most common occurance of it's use today. One reason why I started this post...to get some actual real-life stories of such incidents. Perhaps had you read all the responses you would have seen that this is NOT impossible. quote: ORIGINAL: Elegant I have seen (in person, not on tv) the backside of a knee torn open with a snake whip. (Edit: Perhaps I should have clearly stated that this accident did result in a trip to the emergency room) quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin I have personally seen (also not on tv) two occasions where whips caused injury that was significant. One was purely an accident where a girl involved in a whip scene was struck on the upper inner thigh and it opened her skin enough that it required the couple to seek treatment and a few stitches for it (7 of them if my memory serves me well). ........... quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Also, with those stories of slaves being beaten until the were bloody and raw and all that....there's more than one person beating them. Simple research of well documented history tells us that this was not always the case. In April of 1863 a slave was beaten by one man and stated '"Overseer Artayou Carrier whipped me. I was two months in bed sore from the whipping. My master come after I was whipped; he discharged the overseer." The very words of {slave}Peter, taken as he sat for his photo, a photo which is part of the National Archives. quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen I just said that it's impossible to put someone in the hopsital with injuries from a singletail given the most common occurance of it's use today. I don't care how long the whip is...as I've seen people wrap themselves before a bottom when first picking up a whip of extrodinary length.People who use whips on a common basis know this. Again, an incorrect absolute. (gotta watch those). We use whips on a very common basis...wraps amd full strikes and even face on play. Yet we know that accidents needing more than just dungeon first aid do happen. quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen I'm not saying freak shit doesn't happen. Actually, you have said it more than once. I did not start this post to scare people of of playing with whips. I did not start this post so that people could bash you or to read your self-defensive comments. I posted this to offer others the opportunity to help educate on the reality that major accidents do happen, regardless of the contrary statement that was in another post.

Grlwithboy -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 1:44:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer I play with singletails and I know that that was done with intent but anything that can be done with intent can also be done by mistake (once). It would take a hell of a mistake but the absolutism of the you CANT seriously hurt someone statement is what I am battling against here not the general safety. Take one of those scars and you have the potential of a really bad accident in the play space. Cumulatively they would be impossible to duplicate in a play space. But even a single stike mistakenly made in the manner those were made intentionally is a serious injury. I agree. It's a question of risk and risk management. I think what I'm railing against is the fact that decent players are dicouraged by the low-probability risk of something happening and less decent players are going to do what they do anyway. People are going to have different senses of their own readiness for progressing to playing with their whip and a bottom. The feedback of a bottom is essential in learning, I think, and really ought to be part of one's training as soon as it's feasible. I'm just even more grateful for the guys who trusted me with their backs, urethras, and minds to really complete the learning process in a way all the prep work would not.

BoiJen -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 2:09:44 PM)
As seen paranoia rules. Obviously there's two sides of this. People who are living in the world of now and reality and those hell bent on the crazy "what-if" possibilities that aren't even a logical step to make considering the other stuff they do...like stepping out of their houses in the morning. I mean jesus christ don't you know a plane can fall on your head?!...It's been known to happen! ...I said it on the "slave for hire" thread.... " As for the crazy fuckers on the board freakin out over shit...well whatever. "

AquaticSub -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 2:13:53 PM)
Many of us do consider all those "what-if"s of driving, stepping outside the door, skydiving, swimming... everything. But again, accepting the risks associated with everything does not make those risks go away. Neither does denial of them. Be aware of the risks. Learn how to make the risk smaller. Don't be afraid but don't pretend there are no risks either.

mistoferin -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 2:39:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Also, with those stories of slaves being beaten until the were bloody and raw and all that....there's more than one person beating them. Last I checked no one in the BDSM community has done such. Can't find any record of it at least. Really? You've never witnessed a scene where more than one Top worked the bottom? quote: I just said that it's impossible to put someone in the hopsital with injuries from a singletail given the most common occurance of it's use today. I don't care how long the whip is...as I've seen people wrap themselves before a bottom when first picking up a whip of extrodinary length. Again, you say impossible. Well impossible is a pretty strong word, you should be careful in it's use. So are you saying ALL of the people on this thread who have spoken of witnessing or experiencing such occurences are liars? quote: People who use whips on a common basis know this. People who are fooled by the myths and mystique created by people wanting to seem bigger than they are don't know this. And often are carried off by the "horror" (dramatic) stories of such major "injuries" which I can bet didn't quite occur they way they say they have. People who want to seem bigger than they are... People lying about the way these incidents took place.... Can you possibly be more accusatory without actually coming out and saying "you're full of shit"?

LaTigresse -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 2:42:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen As seen paranoia rules. Obviously there's two sides of this. People who are living in the world of now and reality and those hell bent on the crazy "what-if" possibilities that aren't even a logical step to make considering the other stuff they do...like stepping out of their houses in the morning. I mean jesus christ don't you know a plane can fall on your head?!...It's been known to happen! ...I said it on the "slave for hire" thread.... " As for the crazy fuckers on the board freakin out over shit...well whatever. " BoiJen, I am quite certain you don't care but I am going to say it anyway. Up until this particular subject I thought you seemed pretty mature and like you kinda had your shit together. This topic has brought out a side of you that is very much the opposite. You've made a fool of yourself and just keep digging in deeper.

Archer -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 2:43:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen As seen paranoia rules. Obviously there's two sides of this. People who are living in the world of now and reality and those hell bent on the crazy "what-if" possibilities that aren't even a logical step to make considering the other stuff they do...like stepping out of their houses in the morning. I mean jesus christ don't you know a plane can fall on your head?!...It's been known to happen! ...I said it on the "slave for hire" thread.... " As for the crazy fuckers on the board freakin out over shit...well whatever. " Or better yet 1.those who acknowledge the real risks and have a healthy respect for them and those who have their heads in the sand denying any possibility that anything that bad can happen. Judgement runs both ways. YOU made the absolute statement not us. We mearly sought to clarify your statement that IT CANT HAPPEN made several times and then denied when someone called you on it. Nobody on this side of the debate said don't play with them or even that it takes some "Years of practice" the only thing I have harped on is that you have to recognize the real risks and not dismiss them out of hand. I've been playing with singletails on live targets at least as long as you have and likely a little bit longer. Nobody is freaking out about singletails here, we are simply Calling BULLSHIT on your flawed statement. Providing evidence that shows it to be false. You get a couple choices when that happens present evidence proving your statement ( a very tough thing to do when your case is a negative "It Cant Happen") or admit the statement was flawed and really wasn't what you ment to say. FACT you CAN cause a cut serious enough to require stitches when playing with singletails. Just like you CAN kill someone by driving a car wrecklessly. Ignoring the risks does not make them go away. Considering them does not mean you can't play with the whips or drive a car.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 2:51:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen As seen paranoia rules. Obviously there's two sides of this. People who are living in the world of now and reality and those hell bent on the crazy "what-if" possibilities that aren't even a logical step to make considering the other stuff they do...like stepping out of their houses in the morning. I mean jesus christ don't you know a plane can fall on your head?!...It's been known to happen! ...I said it on the "slave for hire" thread.... " As for the crazy fuckers on the board freakin out over shit...well whatever. " A skydiver always checks his parachute. A parasailer always checks his rig. A scuba diver always checks his tanks and his depth gauge. In any good martial arts school, before you spar (or do most anything, for that matter), you stretch and warm up. When you acknowledge risk, you take reasonable steps to mitigate and reduce the chance of serious injury. That's not paranoia. That's wanting to live to tell the tale.

Emperor1956 -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 3:09:48 PM)
FastReply: Oh, its been a day or two since I posted, and I see that the attention-grabbers have been at work. A few brickbats, sucker-punches, comments and clarifications, in no particular order: LaM: Shame on you. You know better. The question asked was in essence "has anyone seen a serious injury -- that resulted in a trip to a hospital -- from a singletail." The answers given are ample. You decided to make it all about "Parking lots are more dangerous than D/s" etc. etc. That thread isn't relevant to the topic, nor is it especially novel or interesting. Surprised me that you needed to grab that attention. LA: quote: It does amuse me how the modern het kinky crowd hates dirty/wet/nasty and wants all their "dark kink" play to be sanitized and fresh vs the homo crowd, specially older homo crowd where dirt and mess was part and partial of the kinky scene itself. Oh, I forgot LA. You are smarter than all of us. You are so much more kinky than all of us. Indeed, we only exist to amuse you in our pathetic little understandings of the D/s poly life you have at age 26 so ably mastered! That said, I prefer my play areas filth, virus, spirochete, germ and smoke-free. You are of course free to roll in whatever pigsty you find yourself in again, however. BoiJen: quote: I'll admit it I'ma size queen...er..king...something. No. You are a drama queen. And if you are feeling compelled to "admit" something, admit that you made a stupid statement, have been called on it, and its time to move on. Have a happy Friday, everyone! E.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 3:19:53 PM)
Please, who cares what the original question was. I wrote about something I see a hell of a lot more often than serious injuries caused by whips: people yacking and yacking about how dangerous whips are and how we're all braving death. I never once said whips weren't dangerous. I said I'm really fucking tired of people dramatizing the risks. quote: ORIGINAL: Emperor1956 LaM: Shame on you. You know better. The question asked was in essence "has anyone seen a serious injury -- that resulted in a trip to a hospital -- from a singletail." The answers given are ample. You decided to make it all about "Parking lots are more dangerous than D/s" etc. etc. That thread isn't relevant to the topic, nor is it especially novel or interesting. Surprised me that you needed to grab that attention.

Grlwithboy -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 3:23:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Please, who cares what the original question was. I wrote about something I see a hell of a lot more often than serious injuries caused by whips: people yacking and yacking about how dangerous whips are and how we're all braving death. I never once said whips weren't dangerous. I said I'm really fucking tired of people dramatizing the risks. quote: ORIGINAL: Emperor1956 LaM: Shame on you. You know better. The question asked was in essence "has anyone seen a serious injury -- that resulted in a trip to a hospital -- from a singletail." The answers given are ample. You decided to make it all about "Parking lots are more dangerous than D/s" etc. etc. That thread isn't relevant to the topic, nor is it especially novel or interesting. Surprised me that you needed to grab that attention. What he said. Nice short and succinct, BTW.

Elegant -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 3:30:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen As seen paranoia rules. Obviously there's two sides of this. People who are living in the world of now and reality and those hell bent on the crazy "what-if" possibilities that aren't even a logical step to make considering the other stuff they do...like stepping out of their houses in the morning. I mean jesus christ don't you know a plane can fall on your head?!...It's been known to happen! ...I said it on the "slave for hire" thread.... " As for the crazy fuckers on the board freakin out over shit...well whatever. " Are you refering to my posts?

KnightofMists -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 3:34:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster I never once said whips weren't dangerous. I said I'm really fucking tired of people dramatizing the risks. oh yes... and people who minimize the risks are sooooooo much better!!!! Frankly... dramatizing the risk.. Is just BULLSHIT and I agree with you that it is more EGO and maybe their own Insecurities. BUT... those who minimize or belittle the Risks... are just Reckless!! Put both groups in boat... and Sink the FUCKING BOAT.... PS... chain them to the boat first.

MadRabbit -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 3:54:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen As seen paranoia rules. Obviously there's two sides of this. People who are living in the world of now and reality and those hell bent on the crazy "what-if" possibilities that aren't even a logical step to make considering the other stuff they do...like stepping out of their houses in the morning. I mean jesus christ don't you know a plane can fall on your head?!...It's been known to happen! ...I said it on the "slave for hire" thread.... " As for the crazy fuckers on the board freakin out over shit...well whatever. " I would say there is one side who started a thread argueing an idiotic "absolute statement" and the other side consisting of a drama queen who is dancing around the real issue of this thread, making subjective opinions, not really putting much thought into her responses, and trying to argue the wrong issue. All your counter arguments here are on the grounds that there is a small chance of causing injury with a whip. And thats cool... I dont necessarily disagree with that nor am I am an expert... However...the context of this thread wasnt started regarding whether there is a large or small chance of causing injury. It was started to argue against an absolute statement where you clearly said "There is no way anyone can be cut with a whip". The first statement recognizes that there is the possibility of injury, but puts it into perspective for anyone deathly afraid of using a whip. The second statement says that there is absolutely no possibility of injury. Thus communicating to someone who read your expert opinion that they can just pick up a whip and start doing whatever without any knowledge or practice because there is absolutely no possibility of injury. Which still leaves you...despite all your insults, acting like the misunderstood victim, subjective opinions and snowbally surveys... with your head in the unfornate position of being up your ass.

Elegant -> RE: Whips and 'Accidents' (9/7/2007 3:56:31 PM)
Gives Mad Rabbit a bunch of carrots and bunny kibble

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