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tsherpet -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 7:44:38 PM)
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"But i see that this, pretty much as religious threads in the past, has turned into a "prove it" fest which to me, pretty much just shows ignorance on the part of the "doubters'. "
It's not about the people here proving it, it's about any psychic being able to live up to their own claims. Questioning this lack of performance is as far from ignorance as you can get.
But I am glad you recognised the similarities between psychics and religions.
"But why does it seem that the non-believers are always trying to ram the "prove it" card down your throat?"
So questioning unbelievable claims is ramming a prove it card down people throats? Bit defensive aren't we? The claims were made, the claims were questioned, and facts were given. If your beliefs can't stand rational discussion, perhaps it's time to reassess such fragile beliefs?
"Do i wish i wasn't? At times, yes"
Why? Since people have been comparing psychic ability to real skills and abilities, how many people who are good at something wish they weren't? Very few (if any) when it comes to real skills.
"And no, i may not be able to see them...nor may i be able to prove they exist....but so what? "
So whats the difference between those things and delusions? What is the difference vetween your beliefs and people who believe god (or something) wants them to kill? It's fine for you to believe them, but you must accept that your beliefs carry no weight in reality. In other words people will question them, and they are right to do so.
"It was quite interesting to note that they all thought you must be a complete moron not to believe that in this great, expansive universe, there are no other life forms than what's on earth. Can you see them?"
It's not about seeing, it's about probability. It is highly unlikely that life only exists on this planet. The numbers are so huge.
On the other hand the confirmed supernatural numbers have remained at zero. It the complete opposite, which is why only a moron would believe in faiytales, the "big brother" enterainment of their day.
"Honestly, i feel sorry for people who don't believe in SOMETHING they can't see"
Why? Remember people can know about things which cannot be seen by the naked eye, but that is not belief. A microscope shows you things, so belief is not required. A psychic doesn't show anything, so belief is essential.
But why do you feel sorry for those who don't use the stories we make up to fill in what we don't know?
"But i really wish they would stop making others try to prove in what they do not believe. "
It's not about proving what I don't believe in, it is about proving what they do believe in. Proving their own claims. Everybody else has to deal with that bit of reality, why not psychics?
"And i will also say that rarely have i met a person my age or up who will discount just about anything....because they have learned along the way that sometimes in life, we just can't explain things."
And if we can't explain it, why would we resort to stories from thousands of years behind us as explainations? Looking to people with far less understanding of the world around them to teach us?And if you truly don't discount anything, then don't discount the lack of performance by psychics, or the psychological explainations behind their parlour tricks.
"For those who haven't seen that yet....and need "proof" of every single incident that can occur in a lifetime...well, i wish you well. 20 or 30 years from now you may be saying something different. "
LOL, why do you think doubting psychics means not knowing that there are things still to be discovered? Unexplained phenomena doesn't prove any belief correct. The only thing that will prove psychics correct is living up to their claims. In 20 or 30 years I'll be saying the same thing, as psychics have not changed in thousands of years. The same stories and the same lack of performance.
"And meanwhile....no one needs to really prove what they believe in to you. "
It has nothing to do with proving it to me, how about the rest of humanity? Do you want scientists to take that attitude? We're not going to prove it to you? Cops? Bank managers?
Prove it for the money, to help yourself or others. Prove it so humanity can accept it, study it and understand it.
Selfish or shortsightedness are the only ways a real psychic could not be trying to prove, understand and refine their abilities.
"Some people are closed, some people are open."
Yes, some people are closed to new ideas and knowledge, and are only open to their own experience or tales from our primitive past.
"Science, logic, etc are their cornerstones, it's the foundation of their belief systems, nothing wrong in that."
I am sorry you are so misguided. Science and logic are not beliefs systems, they are nothing more than tools of investigation, and as Einstein said "all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike - and yet it is the most precious thing we have.". Science is the most precious thing we have, it is the best method of investigating our world that we have ever come up with.
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