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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 7:59:19 PM   
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The kid was resisting arrest.



Prior to being jumped by the Pigs, what crime was he committing, and being arrested for?

You can't be "Resisting", unless you're being "Arrested", and you you can't be "Arrested" without a charge.

So, what was the CHARGE causing his arrest, of which you allege he was resisting.

I didn't hear ANY Pig say, "You are under arrest for....."

Did you?

Pigs torturing a Civilian with electroshock.

That's all this is.

Caught on Tape!




I agree. He was acting like an ass but was never once told he was under arrest or read any rights. I think the campus police freaked out and got nervous. It doesn't make it right but it makes for a nice case for the ACLU.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 7:59:27 PM   
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And you know this personally why? Becasue he acts like an idiot and a smart ass.


Your words, not mine. But the shoe seems to fit!

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 8:03:41 PM   
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Meyer was arrested on charges of resisting an officer and disturbing the peace, according to Alachua County jail records, but the State Attorney's Office had yet to make the formal charging decision. Police recommended charges of resisting arrest with violence, a felony, and disturbing the peace and interfering with school administrative functions, a misdemeanor.


The little jokester's being charged with a felony. He who laughs last, I guess!

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 8:04:29 PM   
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The kid was resisting arrest.



Prior to being jumped by the Pigs, what crime was he committing, and being arrested for?

You can't be "Resisting", unless you're being "Arrested", and you you can't be "Arrested" without a charge.

So, what was the CHARGE causing his arrest, of which you allege he was resisting.

I didn't hear ANY Pig say, "You are under arrest for....."

Did you?

Pigs torturing a Civilian with electroshock.

That's all this is.

Caught on Tape!




I agree. He was acting like an ass but was never once told he was under arrest or read any rights. I think the campus police freaked out and got nervous. It doesn't make it right but it makes for a nice case for the ACLU.



Luckily for him, the Government is PROHIBITED from making any "Rules" about how one must conduct themselves in a conversation. Maybe he was unfocused, and tried to cover too much material. As far as I can tell, he wasn't *wrong* about what he did cover, and who knows, maybe an interesting dialog would have occurred around the "Why did you take a dive?" question...



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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 8:06:02 PM   
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I saw him speaking at a podium... Exactly what behavior PRIOR to him getting jumped by the pigs would constitute elements of the charges the cops fabricated?



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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 8:08:32 PM   
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He wasn't doing anything until the Pigs jumped him.

I saw him speaking at a podium... Exactly what behavior PRIOR to him getting jumped by the pigs would constitute elements of the charges the cops fabricated?



They didn't "jump" him, they began escorting him out, at which point HE began acting like he was on a bad PCP trip. Bad form, when surrounded by security with tasers. Stupidity itself might not be a crime, but the things it leads to sure can be!

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 8:13:52 PM   
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He wasn't doing anything until the Pigs jumped him.

I saw him speaking at a podium... Exactly what behavior PRIOR to him getting jumped by the pigs would constitute elements of the charges the cops fabricated?



They didn't "jump" him, they began escorting him out, at which point HE began acting like he was on a bad PCP trip. Bad form, when surrounded by security with tasers. Stupidity itself might not be a crime, but the things it leads to sure can be!


I saw a pig lay a hand on him FIRST, without charging him with a crime. Then a large group of pigs drag him off, then torture him with a taser.

Do the Police get to Censor people and deprive them of their guaranteed 1st Amendment rights?

I didn't realize that Kampus Kops were now the arbitrators of PERMISSIBLE SPEECH now.

Anyway, to go off on a bit of a tangent, how can you tell they're real cops? They're not acting like real cops. They could be imposters.

I know that if MY daughters were being kidnapped by potential police imposters, they would use whatever means necessary INCLUDING DEADLY FORCE to defend themselves. He just screamed like a girl.

It's sad that no one came to his defense, though.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 8:17:33 PM   
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They didn't "jump" him, they began escorting him out, at which point HE began acting like he was on a bad PCP trip. Bad form, when surrounded by security with tasers. Stupidity itself might not be a crime, but the things it leads to sure can be!

I saw a pig lay a hand on him FIRST, without charging him with a crime.

Do the Police get to Censor people and deprive them of their guaranteed 1st Amendment rights?

I didn't realize that Kampus Kops were now the arbitrators of PERMISSIBLE SPEECH now. Anyway, how can you tell they're real cops? They're not acting like real cops? They could be imposters.

I know that if MY daughters were being kidnapped by potential police imposters, they would use whatever means necessary INCLUDING DEADLY FORCE to defend themselves. He just screamed like a girl.

It's sad that no one came to his defense, though.


Oh, he was being kidnapped... that's different. Why didn't you just say so in the beginning? And he wasn't interrupting Kerry's first amendment rights either? Give him a medal then. What a guy...

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 8:35:34 PM   
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Meyer was arrested on charges of resisting an officer and disturbing the peace, according to Alachua County jail records, but the State Attorney's Office had yet to make the formal charging decision. Police recommended charges of resisting arrest with violence, a felony, and disturbing the peace and interfering with school administrative functions, a misdemeanor.


The little jokester's being charged with a felony. He who laughs last, I guess!


I have the haunting feeling he(The little jokester) will have the last laugh....He wasn't told to stop they didn't "turn off" his mic...They grabbed him.  We will see how this plays out....But as usual I imagine you will be on the wrong side of the fence.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 8:48:49 PM   
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The kid who got tazed was the only one who was interrupting free speech rights. Everyone who was assembled there was there to hear John Kerry, but the kid tried to make that impossible. It's like the Leftists who tried to disrupt the RNC convention, thereby denying Republicans the right to assemble and the right to free speech.

Just once I wish the geniuses who babble on and on and on about "free speech" actually understood what it meant.  Here's a clue, if the government isn't involved in the legal restriction of it in some way, then it can't be a "free speech" issue.  Please, get a clue.  Rent one, borrow one, steal one, win one in the clue lottery if you have to, but get one.  Once you do, go have someone read and explain the First Amendment to you.

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That boy and the rest of the ultra left are the only true Nazis in this picture, if you ask me.

Nobody did.  Ponder for a bit on why that might be, won't you?

Now, please return to your endless "leftist" bashing.  It appears to be the only reason you exist here.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 9:40:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yikes! As previously noted, there seems to be an issue with the common comprehension of what "free speech" entails.  Andrew Meyer (yes that's his name) was not infringing on Kerry's right of free speech at any point in time. No one was infringing on Kerry's right of free speech  because "free speech" is not limited just because someone can't get a word in edgewise. Free speech is hindered when the subject matter that someone speaks about is censored or their speaking is forcibly stopped because someone (the police in this case) don't think it's right. 

As for what Andrew was being arrested for, in a version of the video I saw, the police clearly told him that he was "inciting a riot" which I think is just as ridiculous as anything, but ok, at least it's a reason for trying to take him away in the first place.  Based on his hysteria and what appears to be paranoia, I think he might actually have a manic-type disorder (bipolar or something along those lines.) He truly reminded me of someone I once knew who didn't take his medicine like he was supposed to - and I say this without any disrespect to those suffering from such.

In the end though, I think what was done was WAY uncalled for. I think that if there's one place where student's should be allowed to speak out, no matter how unpopular the view, it should be the university.  I am also rather surprised that no students tried to stand up for him. Though again, in a version I saw which seemed to be from a cell phone, there were some girls at the end who said they'd testify that he wasn't doing anything to deserve what happened.  Bottom line, I think those cops got on a power trip.  

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 9:47:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Keep in mind that the organizers never put a limit on the questioning or the time it takes to state a question.

And he was never told what he was being arrested for, nor did any of the police warn him that he was going to be arrested or that he was doing anything wrong. They just simply cut off his mic, grabbed him, and tried to throw him out. That is not proper police procedure.

Was he grandstanding? Overreacting? Sure. But lots of people do that when it comes to politics. And I've seen people grandstand at functions like this, that's not unusual and the speakers are well used to that kind of thing. Some people have very strong political opinions and think they have the right to voice those opinions. This student was one of those people. But the cops overreacted too. And that's obvious. Kerry said it was not his decision to have him thrown out of the room. He thought he would have been able to calm the student down and answer his questions. The sitaution could have been resolved peacefully and without any risk of injury to anyone.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 10:12:07 PM   
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Oh, he was being kidnapped... that's different. Why didn't you just say so in the beginning?


Perhaps? Who knows what the Jack Booted Thugs had intended before they were caught-on-tape. Maybe they would have tossed his beaten body off an overpass, like the Meadowlands security guards did to Adam Katz back in the 80's...

The point still stands. The Pigs are NOT empowered in any way to interfere with ANYONE's legitimate exercise of their Free Speech Rights.

And I didn't see any CRIME committed, which would permit a Pig to arrest him, until PERHAPS after he way jumped by the Pigs ( If you consider "Resisting Arrest" to encompass acts without a proper "Arrest"....

I did *NOT* hear anything close to "You are under arrest for...." PRIOR to the Pigs attempting to kidnap him, so I doubt they were acting lawfully. Once they snatched him off the street, without a warrant, or probable cause to believe he committed the CRIME under investigation, ( as there WAS NO CRIME ) he's justified in defending himself.




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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 10:13:46 PM   
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Keep in mind that the organizers never put a limit on the questioning or the time it takes to state a question.

And he was never told what he was being arrested for, nor did any of the police warn him that he was going to be arrested or that he was doing anything wrong. They just simply cut off his mic, grabbed him, and tried to throw him out. That is not proper police procedure.


It's proper procedure in a Fascist Police State, without regard for Freedom and Liberty...

Isn't that EXACTLY how The People arbitrarily labeled "Unlawful Enemy Combatants" are treated?



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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 10:17:34 PM   
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the police clearly told him that he was "inciting a riot"


What else do you call telling the loser vs El Presidente that he, in fact, was the rightful and lawful winner if not incitement to riot?

NO ONE MUST QUESTION EL PRESIDENTE! NO ONE!

This is just a perfect example of that in action. I wonder which Pig made the call that "We gotta get this guy away from the mic!"?

It's funny, Sally Field getting censored, now this guy...

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 11:31:36 PM   
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The kid was resisting arrest.



Prior to being jumped by the Pigs, what crime was he committing, and being arrested for?

You can't be "Resisting", unless you're being "Arrested", and you you can't be "Arrested" without a charge.

So, what was the CHARGE causing his arrest, of which you allege he was resisting.

I didn't hear ANY Pig say, "You are under arrest for....."

Did you?



Yep!  He was removed from the building for "inciting a riot."  This was clearly stated.  He was only led out- not restrained, handcuffed, OR under arrest, until he kicked someone.  He was not "jumped by a Pig," but asked by the staff running the event (who brought Kerry there in the first place) because 1) he said the word "blowjob" over the microphone, and 2) was spouting some conspiracy theory nonsense about Bush and Kerry being in a secret cult.  When asked to hand over the microphone, he refused.  When the staff asked UFPD to remove him, he refused and ran away.  When they grabbed him, he started kicked and shoving them.  Only then was he under arrest.  And, yes, he WAS mirandized and told why he was being arrested.

And stop called them Pigs.  This exact police force has directly saved my life twice before, thanks.


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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/18/2007 11:34:37 PM   
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the police clearly told him that he was "inciting a riot"


What else do you call telling the loser vs El Presidente that he, in fact, was the rightful and lawful winner if not incitement to riot?

NO ONE MUST QUESTION EL PRESIDENTE! NO ONE!

This is just a perfect example of that in action. I wonder which Pig made the call that "We gotta get this guy away from the mic!"?




None of them, actually.  As I said before, the staff WITH Mr. Kerry ASKED the cops to remove him.  And, he wasn't questioning the Bush, per se.  He was accusing Bush and Kerry of being in a secret cult together.  Please learn your facts before you try to argue a point.


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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 12:27:55 AM   
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Yep! He was removed from the building for "inciting a riot." This was clearly stated. He was only led out- not restrained, handcuffed, OR under arrest, until he kicked someone. He was not "jumped by a Pig," but asked by the staff running the event (who brought Kerry there in the first place) because 1) he said the word "blowjob" over the microphone, and 2) was spouting some conspiracy theory nonsense about Bush and Kerry being in a secret cult.



That was a UNIFORMED Kampus Kop who grabbed his arm, and attempted to silence him. Are you suggesting that it is RIGHT for Kampus Kops to DECIDE WHAT IS PROPER TO DISCUSS?

I thought you believed in Free Speech. I guess it's only as Free as the PIG decides...

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When asked to hand over the microphone, he refused. When the staff asked UFPD to remove him, he refused and ran away. When they grabbed him, he started kicked and shoving them. Only then was he under arrest. And, yes, he WAS mirandized and told why he was being arrested.


When? I didn't see any of that. Do you have a transcript?

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And stop called them Pigs. This exact police force has directly saved my life twice before, thanks.



They're pigs. Florida Code 870 covers Incitment to Riot.

Could YOU tell me the conditions required to be guilty of violating 870.01(2) ?

"(2) All persons guilty of a riot, or of inciting or encouraging a riot, shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084."

Fucking Florida.


I would expect you've got EVIDENCE of him calling for "civil disorder" characterized by "a sudden and intense rash of violence, vandalism or other crime."?

under § 240.08 of the N.Y. Penal Law, A person is guilty of inciting to riot when he urges ten or more persons to engage in tumultuous and violent conduct of a kind likely to create public alarm.

So... Are you suggestion that just SAYING "Bush Stole The Election" is in any way likely to create public alarm?

I'm not seeing the elements of the alleged crime.

I DID see a bunch of Pigs torture a kid by electrocuting him.



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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 12:31:55 AM   
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The kid who got tazed was the only one who was interrupting free speech rights. Everyone who was assembled there was there to hear John Kerry, but the kid tried to make that impossible. It's like the Leftists who tried to disrupt the RNC convention, thereby denying Republicans the right to assemble and the right to free speech.

Just once I wish the geniuses who babble on and on and on about "free speech" actually understood what it meant.  Here's a clue, if the government isn't involved in the legal restriction of it in some way, then it can't be a "free speech" issue.  Please, get a clue.  Rent one, borrow one, steal one, win one in the clue lottery if you have to, but get one.  Once you do, go have someone read and explain the First Amendment to you.

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That boy and the rest of the ultra left are the only true Nazis in this picture, if you ask me.

Nobody did.  Ponder for a bit on why that might be, won't you?

Now, please return to your endless "leftist" bashing.  It appears to be the only reason you exist here.

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Stef, I know a lot of Democrats and they don't want those far left people in their party either.
Isn't there an "Anarchist" party for them?
All they seem to want to do is cause disruption and comotion.
This guy obviously is not a Democrat to talk to Kerry like that.
For whatever reason the far left seems to want to pick on the Democratic party or to try to ingratiate themselves with them.
They have no more in common with the Clintons or John Edwards than they would Bush or Rudy Guiliani.
Maybe they should form their own party, "The Leftist Party."
If they were to vote for a Democrat for them anyway, it must feel like they're voting for a Republican.
"Hey Bro, I'm a Democrat Man."
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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 12:35:35 AM   
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the police clearly told him that he was "inciting a riot"


What else do you call telling the loser vs El Presidente that he, in fact, was the rightful and lawful winner if not incitement to riot?

NO ONE MUST QUESTION EL PRESIDENTE! NO ONE!

This is just a perfect example of that in action. I wonder which Pig made the call that "We gotta get this guy away from the mic!"?




None of them, actually. As I said before, the staff WITH Mr. Kerry ASKED the cops to remove him. And, he wasn't questioning the Bush, per se. He was accusing Bush and Kerry of being in a secret cult together. Please learn your facts before you try to argue a point.



I didn't see any "Staff Member". I saw a cop grab his arm, and then a bunch more jump him.

I'd expect that to be in the misdemeanor information, as the NAME OF THE STAFF MEMBER asking for him to be removed will be essential in any prosecution.

I'll withhold further comment until the charges are filed, and that information is published.


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