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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 12:40:43 AM   
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Why did Kerry stand idly by?

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 12:40:50 AM   
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LOL....

I didn't know there was a Code of Conduct. I thought Free Speech, was, you know... Free.

I guess, if you go outside peoples Comfort Zones, you freak them out and their brains just shutdown. Not everyone is practiced in lobbing pointless, vapid, softball questions...

I thought he had a valid question: "Why did Kerry take a dive? Why did he fold faster than Superman on laundry day?"

I would have liked to hear Kerry's response... ( Not wanting to own the mess Bush made in Iraq is a valid reason, imo... )

You know what you do when someone doesn't "Give up the mic"?

You turn it off. There's a fader for it on the mixing board. That's why I don't buy the "Staffer" story... The "Staffer" would have just told the FOH guy to mute the mic, and they'd move right along with a different microphone.




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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 3:19:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		This site offers a different take on the situation.  http://www.newstarget.com/    There is also a commentary on false arrest and a citizen's right to resist it.  I hardly think that getting a little rowdy is inciting to riot.

Look for more of this from the police as our rights are eroded.  Small children and elderly people have been tasered and some have died.  It seems the police are at least as much of a problem anymore as those they are supposed to protect the public against.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 6:03:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		He wasnt even charged with inciting a riot. So that's a junk statement made by the cop.

He was officially charged with
1) resisting arrest and
2) distruption of a public event.

Both are misdemeanors under Florida law, there is no indication of past criminal history, so he probably wont be spending any more jailtime... the worst is maybe some community service. He didn't even have to post bail.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 6:14:30 AM   
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Just once I wish the geniuses who babble on and on and on about "free speech" actually understood what it meant.  Here's a clue, if the government isn't involved in the legal restriction of it in some way, then it can't be a "free speech" issue.  Please, get a clue.  Rent one, borrow one, steal one, win one in the clue lottery if you have to, but get one.  Once you do, go have someone read and explain the First Amendment to you.


You might want to take a moment to figure out who runs the state university system, and it's police.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 6:16:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stef
Just once I wish the geniuses who babble on and on and on about "free speech" actually understood what it meant.  Here's a clue, if the government isn't involved in the legal restriction of it in some way, then it can't be a "free speech" issue. 


Try again. Of course civil rights can be violated by people who aren't from the government. Of course they can.

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Please, get a clue.  Rent one, borrow one, steal one, win one in the clue lottery if you have to, but get one. 


Vicious personal attacks, anyone? Gee, if that were me doing that, I'd hear about it. Are the rules different for you, Stef?

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Once you do, go have someone read and explain the First Amendment to you.


Wow.

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Nobody did.  Ponder for a bit on why that might be, won't you?


So vicious.

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Now, please return to your endless "leftist" bashing.  It appears to be the only reason you exist here.

~stef


Stef, most of the people here bash the Right endlessly, but that's okay with you. They're not often booted, apparently they rarely even get warned. You don't even notice them, do you? You seem to think that you need a one-sided discussion here, as in Leftspeak only.

What the hell will you do once you have that, and all of us from the Right have been censored here. Won't that be awfully boring? What are there, a mere three of us from the Right remaining? Hanging by a thread, too.

It isn't much of a political discussion when everyone is in agreement, but have it your way I suppose.


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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 6:26:25 AM   
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We're watching a video about it in a culture class and they have a video of him outside, after the take him out, before they take him away and he's sitting there, on a bench, handcuffed.  The cops are surrounding him, but all about 4-6 feet away.  All of a sudden, he starts screaming HELP ME THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL ME, I'M BEING MURDERED, HELP ME, THEY'RE KILLING ME!


Is this the video that you are referring to?  ....

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

It seems like your description of what transpired is way off or perhaps you saw something different?   Just curious.


I posted this before...But you conveniently didn't address it....If this is not the video...Would you please attach it?...Because I have yet to see a video that depicts the situation that you have described above...You know, you might want to do it...Unless you put little value on things like your credibility.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 6:33:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy


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ORIGINAL: Twice

We're watching a video about it in a culture class and they have a video of him outside, after the take him out, before they take him away and he's sitting there, on a bench, handcuffed.  The cops are surrounding him, but all about 4-6 feet away.  All of a sudden, he starts screaming HELP ME THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL ME, I'M BEING MURDERED, HELP ME, THEY'RE KILLING ME!


Is this the video that you are referring to?  ....

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

It seems like your description of what transpired is way off or perhaps you saw something different?   Just curious.


I posted this before...But you conveniently didn't address it....If this is not the video...Would you please attach it?...Because I have yet to see a video that depicts the situation that you have described above...You know, you might want to do it...Unless you put little value on things like your credibility.


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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 8:08:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

You might want to take a moment to figure out who runs the state university system, and it's police.

First, I'm well aware who runs both, thanks.  Second, since it was Kerry's "free speech" that our frothing friend claims was violated here at the hand of Andrew Meyer,  not by either the university or it's police force, I'm not sure what you're getting at.  Whether or not Meyer's rights were violated is another matter entirely.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 8:17:24 AM   
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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 8:43:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think we have forgotten the one thing that makes this discussion rather mute... There is no such thing as freedom of speech. Freedom is one of the wonderful "right" we have always been provided with. but lets look into that.

Freedom to take what we want? Nope.. we are curbed by a police force
Freedom to live where we want?  Nope.. we are curbed by lack of finances, race, status, and many other little tangibles
Freedom to express ourselves? Nope.. we try sometimes and either the majority or a political forum decides we shouldnt.. beucase its creates "unrest"
Freedom to choose our way of life? Mmmm.. thats always debatable. If I choose to live my LIFE openly.. I would be judged constantly. Some people would be harrassed and even persocuted. So freedom? Nah.. that doesnt exist.

Seriously, he had a right to say what he wanted. but it goes to show that if you even express a difference in mentaility from the machine and the cog of forces that run it.. you will be run down.

My two cents..  BY The way.. I LOVE The RIGHT.. and I ADORE the LEFT.... I wonder if both hands can work in unision?

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 8:49:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Try again. Of course civil rights can be violated by people who aren't from the government. Of course they can.

Of course.  I don't recall ever saying that civil rights can't be violated by people who aren't from the government.  I made a very specific claim.

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Vicious personal attacks, anyone? Gee, if that were me doing that, I'd hear about it. Are the rules different for you, Stef?

Vicious?  This coming from the person who has no difficulty calling other people Nazis?  Please.

Besides, is the truth a personal attack?  In this matter, it is painfully obvious that you are in need of a clue.

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Stef, most of the people here bash the Right endlessly, but that's okay with you.

They do?  It is?  Strange, both are news to me.  There are a very vocal handful of frothing zealots here solidly pinned to one end of the political spectrum or the other, and frankly, I have little respect for either camp. 

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They're not often booted, apparently they rarely even get warned. You don't even notice them, do you? You seem to think that you need a one-sided discussion here, as in Leftspeak only.

I do?  It's amazing, the things I'm learning about myself here.  Strangely enough, you have no idea what you're talking about.  I'm not a big fan of zealotry in any form, but do go ahead and believe whatever you like in order to make yourself feel secure in your position. 

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What the hell will you do once you have that, and all of us from the Right have been censored here. Won't that be awfully boring? What are there, a mere three of us from the Right remaining? Hanging by a thread, too.

I can't say, I have better things to do than to keep score.  If I had my way, all the political frothing and ranting would be removed from the site entirely.  In general, if I want to discuss politics, I'll go somewhere devoted to that topic.

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It isn't much of a political discussion when everyone is in agreement, but have it your way I suppose.

It isn't much of a political discussion to begin with when all it really boils down to is both sides pointing their fingers at each other with both sides yelling "IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT!" 

Is it?

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 8:52:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterLordguru

I think we have forgotten the one thing that makes this discussion rather mute... There is no such thing as freedom of speech. Freedom is one of the wonderful "right" we have always been provided with. but lets look into that.

Freedom to take what we want? Nope.. we are curbed by a police force
Freedom to live where we want?  Nope.. we are curbed by lack of finances, race, status, and many other little tangibles
Freedom to express ourselves? Nope.. we try sometimes and either the majority or a political forum decides we shouldnt.. beucase its creates "unrest"
Freedom to choose our way of life? Mmmm.. thats always debatable. If I choose to live my LIFE openly.. I would be judged constantly. Some people would be harrassed and even persocuted. So freedom? Nah.. that doesnt exist.

Seriously, he had a right to say what he wanted. but it goes to show that if you even express a difference in mentaility from the machine and the cog of forces that run it.. you will be run down.

My two cents..  BY The way.. I LOVE The RIGHT.. and I ADORE the LEFT.... I wonder if both hands can work in unision?

M.L.G


Fallacy of the excluded middle.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 8:59:34 AM   
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Of course.  I don't recall ever saying that civil rights can't be violated by people who aren't from the government.  I made a very specific claim.


Apparently I'm missing your point again.  If freedom of speech isn't a civil right, what kind is it?
And if your private employer tells you that you will be fired if you try to advocate a union, how is that not stifling free speech?

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 9:32:02 AM   
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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 10:02:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		And just for the record I go after the far right, *Big Corporations* and that POS in the WH far more than I do the lefties.
Bush is "the gift that just keeps on giving."
I kind of feel sorry for the lefties.
I imagine a lot of them would be in State Hospitals if they were still open and when they get arrested for serious crimes we hear about them; "He (she) was doing so good until they stopped taking their medication."
"Turning their life around until..."
"Got into State (Federally) subsidised housing."
"Recently got their G.E.D."
"Making real progress in therapy."
"Recently got out of a homeless shelter."
"Recently got off of Welfare."
"Recently got off of probation."
Etc, Etc.
There seems to be a very high percentage of "mental health problems" in the far left population for whatever reason.
For whatever reason this population seems to gravitate towards the Democratic party.
I doubt that the bigwigs in the Democratic party would ever want to see them at a fundraiser in the Hamptons or on Martha's Vinyard home of "The Beautiful People" though!
And look at the Democratic Convention held in Boston, Mass a few years ago.
They had a "free speech zone" for the far left who were there in abundance from all over the country.
The Boston Police ushered them into a giant pen, a huge area surrounded by a locked chain link fence.
"You! Get in the cage!"
Real 2 percenters, yes, tin foil hats!
I wonder what happened when they got out of the "free speech zone?" Did they enter the "not free speech zone?"
Most of them looked like they came directly from the "Twilight Zone."
So, the powers that be must have known that the "Far Left" would be there to have a pen set up beforehand.
And even a lot of the people who did get into the convention were just like them with the obvious exception of having large Trust Funds from Daddy or "Grandfather."
If you're poor and crazy you're just crazy.
If you're rich and crazy you're "excentric."
I was living in Hampton, New Hampshire at the time and watching the Nightly News was more than entertaining! It was like the Circus had come to town!
A flustered Boston Mayor, Tom Menino, famous for slaughtering the English language on a daily basis said; "This Democratic Convention is like an alcatraz around my neck!"
The Democratic Party needs to find a way to rid themselves of these far-left lugnuts.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 10:20:57 AM   
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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 10:28:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		After watching the tape a bunch of times I think the Police acted correctly.
This Meyers guy didn't follow direction when asked to do so by the police.
He then walked towards Kerry. For all the police knew he could have been an assasin.

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 10:41:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Apparently I'm missing your point again.  If freedom of speech isn't a civil right, what kind is it?

It's even worse than it appears, you're missing what never was my point.  I don't recall ever claiming freedom of speech wasn't a civil right.

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And if your private employer tells you that you will be fired if you try to advocate a union, how is that not stifling free speech?

As long as the employee is not doing such when they are on the clock then the employer is in violation of federal laws put into place with the passing of the 1935 National Labor Relations Act.  It's not a freedom of speech issue, it's a workplace practices issue.  "Free speech" isn't the right to say whatever you like, wherever you like, with no repercussions.  But you already know this. 

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RE: Police tazer UF student at Kerry speech - 9/19/2007 10:43:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

After watching the tape a bunch of times I think the Police acted correctly.
This Meyers guy didn't follow direction when asked to do so by the police.
He then walked towards Kerry. For all the police knew he could have been an assasin.


I see it like it was a rock concert. Sure, the guy was invited to participate but when he tried to cut the band out of the show security was all over him. Some here say it's his right to stop the show, but try doing that in any other venue, like at a van Halen concert or a 50 Cent show and see what happens. This is no different, and he had no right to steal the spotlight, it wasn't his show. He has free speech, but he doesn't own that venue - the college does.

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