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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Ha! MadRabbit, now that you have been judged, labelled and insulted (of course, by someone who claims to not do such things), might I suggest prime rib at our coronation dinner? I was going to suggest Hasenfeffer, but then I realized what a huge faux pas that would be.

(good post, btw)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

The discussion in this post seems to illustrate the problem pretty well as it's turned into somewhat of a defending and attacking hijack, however, it's difficult to tell who is "right" and who is "wrong".  Each poster seems to have a good, well thought out idea of what they want to say and supports their statements farily well.  How does one choose who is "right" or "wrong"?

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Well...

Thank you for showing me how we should keep our opinions to ourselves and not bash other people's actions....by sharing your opinion and bashing my choice and actions to make this post.

You see MR...i never said you should keep your opinions to yourself.  i did say:  voice your opinion (if you feel so inclined); extend a helping hand (if you feel so inclined);  but just try to realize that some people do not want your help....and that at some point, enough is enough.  And maybe someday you'll even be able to do it without calling others stupid and idiotic because they don't share your same standards.

But I think its pretty cool that you have found such negativity in the things I am writing about and spoken up about it.

Well, i'm glad you see the "coolness".

I've read it, carefully considered your opinion, and found it to be completely lacking. Therefore, its not going to change or influence my opinion.

And that is your right.  By the same token, that is how others feel about your opinions.  So should i call you stupid because you don't see things the way i do?

You may go right along and continue to bash and share your opinion about how I should change my viewpoints and philosophy to your viewpoint that we shouldnt bash or share our opinions.

That's not exactly what i said but...okay.

I support that fully. As I stated in my thread, I think its great and I think its great that you are doing it. (Even if I am a little perplexed as to why you are doing the thing that I talked about and you so strongly disagree with me on...)

I have no need to be universally liked and I have no need to have my actions approved by everyone so I can handle them being challenged.

Me too.

Edited to Add : 90% of the time when I do post something there is a point to it, whether subtle or obivous. I'm sorry you think I was off my rocker with my first post, but I ensure you, you were taking me a bit too serious. There was a valid point behind it if you read between the lines.

i did reread it.  On the surface, it could appear that some spasmoid wrote it (hence my reference to off your rocker).  But perhaps it was an attempt at humor....or sarcasm?
 
DG

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

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ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

Once more, i believe this was the thread that MR was talking about.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1152489/mpage_10/key_/tm.htm#1157390

Sorry i had missed your edit on your first response.
 
Now is this the post that was referenced?:  ...His former slave was an emotional and physical masochist, in the sexual sense. the more he hurt her...whether it was beating her or abusing her emotionally...the more pleasure she experienced. in order for him to cause her to truly suffer, he had to do things he did not truly want to do (break her bones, restrict her contact with her kids). because this was unacceptable to him (going against his own will), he came to the realization that she was simply not the right slave for him. because he needs a slave to suffer, but he is not going to go against his own will in order to make that happen. "


And this is what MR said:  For example, I can think of one little segment on these boards.a few months ago that has really stuck with me. A certain slave recited a tale about how her Master owned a previous slave and preceded to "break her bones" to show her how extreme he was and how extreme the "no limits" relationship was. The defense of the Master was that he didnt want to do it, but had to do it because it was neccessary. Then the narrator proceeded to shift blame onto the slave because "she should have made sure she fully understood the details of the relationship before entering".

Now, when I read something like that and then proceed to watch people compliment the narrator and say things along the lines of "Aww, I understand the dynamic now and how it was necessary.", I think to myself...

Am I the last sane person on Earth?
 
The scenario is an utter offense to my rational mind and the reasoning of it all an utter insult to my intiellgence. The main regret I have right now was not actually sharing my own opinion of that completely ludicrous situation and I am somewhat glad I can correct it.

And nobody (but me) sees this as just a little bit of an overdramatization?
 
i read the next page to see where prop said he actually did break her bones, that he had to actually do it because it was necessary, and that was because the slave didn't know all the details beforehand, others saw how that was necessary too...and, and, and....all that insulted his intelligence?
 
i didn't see anybody word it quite the way MR did.  Could be people read into things what they want?
 
i really hate to say it but.....drama, drama, drama!  And insulting his intelligence?  Gawd! 
 
DG
 

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

i did reread it.  On the surface, it could appear that some spasmoid wrote it (hence my reference to off your rocker).  But perhaps it was an attempt at humor....or sarcasm?
 
DG

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

There seems to be this huge misconception out there that just because I tolerate your choice and support your right to make this choice that I somehow have to like or approve it.

Actually, i don't think there's any misconception at all.  i think you have made that point very clear.

If people would pull their heads out of their ass and listen to the negative opinions instead of constantly insisting that everyone universally approve of their stupid and idiotic idea to drench themselves in gasoline and light themselves on fire as a form of "fire play", things might actually get learned.

People don't learn by calling them stupid and idiotic.  Is it not enough to say something like "Well i would never do what you do" or "That is way too extreme for me" without belittling them?  Or is that what you need to do?

However, people on these boards who cant seem to provide any arguments or reasons behind their negative opinion when they share it do tend to annoy me a little bit since it provides really no substance to the discussion.

Really not even logical enough for me to respond to.
 
DG

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

You see MR...i never said you should keep your opinions to yourself.  i did say:  voice your opinion (if you feel so inclined); extend a helping hand (if you feel so inclined);  but just try to realize that some people do not want your help....and that at some point, enough is enough.  And maybe someday you'll even be able to do it without calling others stupid and idiotic because they don't share your same standards.

And that is your right.  By the same token, that is how others feel about your opinions.  So should i call you stupid because you don't see things the way i do?

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ORIGINAL: domiguy


That would be me.  I'm the one who gets to choose.....Mod11 and I have had some pretty stirring conversations ....And she feels that I should be utilized as the "moral barometer" of CM*.....It works like this...I am right and you are wrong...Pretty fucking easy.

Well ya better move over....'cause you got a few more competing for the title.

Also it would be a thoughtful and gracious act on the behalf of adaddysgirl if she would refrain from ending her posts with "DG"  ....How about using "adg" in the future?  Though highly improbable, I would despair over the fact if some of the healed "methadone" users on this site would every attribute your thoughts as to being mine.

D.G.,
 
i have been a member of this site since 2004 and have used DG in both my emails and on here.  i see no reason to change it now.  And i never suggested you change yours (as you are suggesting to me).  i wanted the clarification because as you can see, when we both post, it can get confusing when someone references DG when they mean you.  And as you can see, i have enough shit here to deal with (as do you)....so adding to that by the D.G. vs DG confusion...well....i was just striving for clarity. 
 
That shortcut was given to me by people who wrote me....it wasn't even something i started.  It's kinda funny that i really hadn't noticed many (if any) calling you DG....until just recently.
 
As always,
DG



* Disclaimer....There was never any discussions with mod11 on any subjects other than her suggesting I should try and refrain from being such an a-hole.

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

If people would pull their heads out of their ass and listen to the negative opinions instead of constantly insisting that everyone universally approve of their stupid and idiotic idea to drench themselves in gasoline and light themselves on fire as a form of "fire play", things might actually get learned.

People don't learn by calling them stupid and idiotic.  Is it not enough to say something like "Well i would never do what you do" or "That is way too extreme for me" without belittling them?  Or is that what you need to do?
 

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
However, people on these boards who cant seem to provide any arguments or reasons behind their negative opinion when they share it do tend to annoy me a little bit since it provides really no substance to the discussion.

Really not even logical enough for me to respond to.
 
DG

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Whether thats the thread or not, I am not gonna comment.

Why not? Because I am not looking to start drama. I am looking to convey a point and express an analogy to help express that point.

Maybe I made that example up. Maybe its another thread. Maybe its been a few months and my mind has distorted what the thread actually said.

Its all germane to this discussion, because it has nothing to do with what I am trying to say in my post.

Some people insist on dragging up old threads and saying "Hey this is the thread he is talking about"

Certain individuals insist on quoting from that thread, saying "this is what he means even though he never said this is what it means", focusing on the sole segment of the post that could incite drama if people continue to focus on it and made it the issue at hand, and ignoring the actual point and substance of the post entirely.

The only one fueling drama in these threads is certain individuals who insist on making this about the hypothetical post that was never introduced as the factual reference and not about the viewpoint itself.

If at some point you would actually like to engage in debate over my viewpoint, please feel free to.

If you want to try and make this about drama based on your conjecture of what thread I was talking about, go right ahead.

Its just making you out to be more of a hyprocite.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit


Allow me to clarify. It wasnt literal or sincere. Threw my own actions and my own post, I was providing an example of how the attitude of "Open Mindness and Acceptance For All" can be used to squash and silence alternative viewpoints that are valid and need to be heard even if they are not politically correct.

You seem to have an axe to grind with me. You can go ahead and grind it all you want. You can infere and twist and take things from my post that wasnt there.

But until you learn how to actually debate and not just argue, you wont be receiving much response from me.

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Whether thats the thread or not, I am not gonna comment.

Why not? Because I am not looking to start drama. I am looking to convey a point and express an analogy to help express that point.

Maybe I made that example up. Maybe its another thread. Maybe its been a few months and my mind has distorted what the thread actually said.

Its all germane to this discussion, because it has nothing to do with what I am trying to say in my post.

Some people insist on dragging up old threads and saying "Hey this is the thread he is talking about"

Certain individuals insist on quoting from that thread, saying "this is what he means even though he never said this is what it means", focusing on the sole segment of the post that could incite drama if people continue to focus on it and made it the issue at hand, and ignoring the actual point and substance of the post entirely.

The only one fueling drama in these threads is certain individuals who insist on making this about the hypothetical post that was never introduced as the factual reference and not about the viewpoint itself.

If at some point you would actually like to engage in debate over my viewpoint, please feel free to.

If you want to try and make this about drama based on your conjecture of what thread I was talking about, go right ahead.

Its just making you out to be more of a hyprocite.

You're really funny MR.  First of all, you are the one who brought up that post...i didn't even know it existed.  Then it was pointed out to me so i went and read it.  If you say your example was made up, or another thread, or not clear now....well, i can only say that it did sound very similar to what you described and whoever provided the link must have thought so too.
 
i am not making that thread the issue at hand.  i read it, read your opinion on it, and posted about the two.  Period.
 
So now i am a hypocrite?  i think you are confused MR.
 
DG

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit


Allow me to clarify. It wasnt literal or sincere. Threw my own actions and my own post, I was providing an example of how the attitude of "Open Mindness and Acceptance For All" can be used to squash and silence alternative viewpoints that are valid and need to be heard even if they are not politically correct.

You seem to have an axe to grind with me. You can go ahead and grind it all you want. You can infere and twist and take things from my post that wasnt there.

But until you learn how to actually debate and not just argue, you wont be receiving much response from me.

It's funny how you and the DQ seem to think i have an axe to grind with (both of) you.  Well, it goes like this....you post, i respond, you respond, i respond, etc.  That's not an axe to grind....it's called responding to another's post.  Or am i missing something here?
 
So i am arguing....and you are what?  Debating?  Should i insert a chuckle in here now?
 
And if you care not to respond further, then by all means, that is your prerogative.
 
DG

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

In the hopes that you might learn something...

Learn something?  me?  From you?  Fat chance.

Argueing would be submitting post like yours that consists of nothing more than personal attacks and jabs against another individual.

As you have done in your posts?

Debating would be where two people deal directly with two opposing viewpoints and argue the logic.

And my viewpoint is that:
1)  Adults are allowed to live the lifestyle they choose and if that includes D/s, then they are allowed to live within the parameters they have established (and if that means no limits, then so be it)
 
2)  If it appears someone is in what ~i~ consider an abusive relationship, i can feel free to voice that opinion....and i can feel free to offer them support on getting out.
 
3)  But if someone is not asking to get out, then i can have my say....and move on....realizing that telling them how stupid their choices are is not going to make them accept any advice from me.  And i feel no particular need to denigrate how they have chosen to live.
 
And your viewpoint is?


If you want to continue this, be my guest. I am having a blast, am very good at this, and have no problems continueing to box you into a corner.

i am good at it too MR.  At 50 years old, with 4 brothers and 2 sons (all who like to seem to debate....imagine that).....and working as an investigator where 90% of my coworkers are guys who, well, think they know it all....i don't think your ongoing inanity is going to box me into a corner.
 
But since i have some RL things to attend to here, i'm afraid i have to break.  But i will be back.
 
Tata for now!
 
DG

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

And my viewpoint is that:
1)  Adults are allowed to live the lifestyle they choose and if that includes D/s, then they are allowed to live within the parameters they have established (and if that means no limits, then so be it)

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

2)  If it appears someone is in what ~i~ consider an abusive relationship, i can feel free to voice that opinion....and i can feel free to offer them support on getting out.

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

 3)  But if someone is not asking to get out, then i can have my say....and move on....realizing that telling them how stupid their choices are is not going to make them accept any advice from me.  And i feel no particular need to denigrate how they have chosen to live.

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

But…. Does that mean the rest of us should just turn away or applaud and support someone that makes a choice that lead to their destruction in their given relationship?

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“One has not only the right of choice, but a moral responsibility to support another’s right to choose.  Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to rise against harmful choices!”

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What kind of a friend, person, human if we ignore another person’s destructive choices.

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What kind of moral person are we to watch idly by as someone makes choices to that bring their own harm or harm to others.

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However, I will also not be silent to their choice that in my view is harmful.

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Hats off to those that that defend a person’s right to choose.
But standing ovation to those that balance it by speaking against harmful choices.

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Did you just admit to being a person with morals?

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ORIGINAL: Redoubt

All morality is, is simply a social majority decision.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Don't we have laws already in place that those that practice BDSM and M/s, D/s type relationships already break? If so, which laws do we say, "well, sure, it's okay for other people to be held to those laws but ME, well WE are the exception to that law" and then we all start bellowing for our personal freedoms.

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And, just as a parent watching a child suffer failures and lifes bumps and bruises, how can we always say that our interference is helping rather than hindering?

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Again, I am not saying that I believe WHATEVER a person wants to do is okay with me and we should just sit back and watch. What I am saying is that how to determine the lines that can or cannot be crossed, is the problem.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

[...] and my heart is firmly entrenched in M/s and that's not because of my childhood.. it's in spite of it.