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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Well, when it comes to the issue of "Freedom of Choice", I am all for it. You can choose to live your life anyway you please and I will gladly fight for your right to make those choices even if they are harmful.

Well that's nice.

But it certainly doesnt mean that I have to like it or approve it or clap my hands or support you in anyway past allowing you to make the choice.

And did anyone here suggest that you should, or had to?

I'll listen to what you have to say. I will give you a fair amount of time to explain your case. I will approach the issue with an open mind. I will allow you to change my mind and show me why such action is not harmful or wrong.

Well that's big of you, but who needs to try to convince you that something is not harmful, or wrong....by your standards?  Sorry, but i just don't see where an "open mind" requires others to justify what they do.

But in the end, I will form an opinion and in the proper forum or the proper time, I will gladly and honestly share that opinion.

No harm in sharing an opinion.

You want to do stupid, harmful, and bad things, go right ahead. I will support your right to choose to be subjected to stupid, harmful and bad things or to find someone who is willing to be subjected to the stupid, harmful, and bad things that you want to do.

i can feel the anger starting to rise.....

But dont expect me to abandon my own personal moral compass, my rational thinking, and my center and change my opinon of those things being stupid, harmful, and bad when my opinion is in fact that these things are stupid, harmful, and bad.

Again, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

And, on that note, why are you allowing yourself to be influenced by my opinion if you have found solidarity and center in the things you are doing being right, safe, and smart?

Somehow i just don't think your opinion is going to change her lifestyle (but of course i could be wrong).

The notion of "Be Silent and Live and Let Live" was something I cant really agree with. Personally, its "Live and Let Live, but Speak Up and Say Something!" for me.

Again, you are entitled to your opinion....

What does it say about the depth of my character and my own personal convictions when I find negative value in an entity or an activity or an action but do absolutely nothing?

It shows that you know how to mind your own business.  It shows that you are wise enough to distinguish between expressing your opinion and trying to force your standards on others.  It shows you are mature enough to realize that not everyone wants, or values your opinion.  And it shows you are man enough to say "Well, i tried...but i realize that others must live their lives according to their own standards....and all i can do is wish them luck with that."
 
i don't know why people are confusing "i must bash this person over the head with my beliefs to they won't act so stupidly" with having some sort of depth of character, ethics or morals.  Why the need to force others to try to see what is right or wrong according to your values?  Insecurity, maybe?
 
i am secure in what i believe in...and that doesn't mean that others have to believe the same as i do....nor do i feel any compelling need to try to force others to. 

I think its actually pretty cool when people speak up even when I am the one challenging them and shooting them down.

Perhaps you take some kind of twisted pleasure in shooting others down?  Do you have some sort of inferiority complex?

For example, I can think of one little segment on these boards.a few months ago that has really stuck with me. A certain slave recited a tale about how her Master owned a previous slave and preceded to "break her bones" to show her how extreme he was and how extreme the "no limits" relationship was. The defense of the Master was that he didnt want to do it, but had to do it because it was neccessary. Then the narrator proceeded to shift blame onto the slave because "she should have made sure she fully understood the details of the relationship before entering".

i must have missed this thread but would love to read it if you could provide the link.

Now, when I read something like that and then proceed to watch people compliment the narrator and say things along the lines of "Aww, I understand the dynamic now and how it was necessary.", I think to myself...

Am I the last sane person on Earth?
 
Well, i don't know about that but when i read your very first reply here, i thought you were completely off your rocker.

 
The scenario is an utter offense to my rational mind and the reasoning of it all an utter insult to my intiellgence. The main regret I have right now was not actually sharing my own opinion of that completely ludicrous situation and I am somewhat glad I can correct it.

An insult to your intelligence?  Sounds like you're taking all this a bit too personally, no?

I'll gladly support the right of anyone to make consentual and informed idiotic choices, but dont confuse my tolerance for respect.

i don't suppose you have to respect anyone you choose not to.

And when your lunacy becomes a problem in my own little part of Idaho, I will take action to correct it.

And would that mean in your home?  On your little space on the internet?  On the CM forums?  i just wonder what area this would have to occur in for you to feel "invaded".

Finnally, on a final note, while I would like to beleive that the simple statement of "If its consentual, then its ethical" can be the black and white absolute in which provides the ultimate solution to every single dilemna, I cant forget that Stocholm Syndrom, Battered Person's Syndome, emotional manipulation, fear of abandonment, codependcy, and blackmail do exist in the world and make the notion of "consent" far from black and white.

Woot!  Think we have a candidate for the Drama King (DK) award here!.  Any nominations?
 
What you are failing to grasp, MR, is that unless specifically asked for help, nobody cares about your opinion, your standards, your morals, etc...it all falls on deaf ears.  But you certainly do like to continue to spew how idiotic others are....as if others should, for some reason, be following the MR's code of ethics.  And you may think this reflects poorly on those who just don't seem to be following your sage advice....but it really reflects more poorly on you. 
 
i don't see anyone here asking you to interfere with their decisions on how they choose to live their lives with their partners.  Your "personal convictions" mean nothing to them.  Yet you seem to think you can actually save another from their "idiotic"  choices?  Sounds like you've got a lot to learn about life. 
 
So you can do this   or you can learn to voice your opinion, hope that someone listens, and move on....and that's all up to you.  Don't forget though that just as you form opinions of others, so do they of you...and right now, you might be looking like a bit of an idiot yourself.
 
Now hop along and have a good night!
 
DG

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Edited to Add : 90% of the time when I do post something there is a point to it, whether subtle or obivous. I'm sorry you think I was off my rocker with my first post, but I ensure you, you were taking me a bit too serious. There was a valid point behind it if you read between the lines.

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

So calling people stupid and idiotic for the choices they make is "well said"?  Good Lord!
 

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

Could I have gotten to where I am today without either of them expressing their opinion?  Maybe, but I am extremely grateful that they made the choice to not just keep quiet when they thought that I could do better.

Knight's Kyra

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

Could I have gotten to where I am today without either of them expressing their opinion?  Maybe, but I am extremely grateful that they made the choice to not just keep quiet when they thought that I could do better.

Knight's Kyra

***** staring off into a mirror ******

and now baby.. you just can't do any better that you have now *G*

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
Hmmmm.... is that one of those fun-house mirrors that make you look all distorted?  Which one is it, the one that make you look short and fat or tall and skinny?   *eg*

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You rock!

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Well...

Thank you for showing me how we should keep our opinions to ourselves and not bash other people's actions....by sharing your opinion and bashing my choice and actions to make this post.

But I think its pretty cool that you have found such negativity in the things I am writing about and spoken up about it.

I've read it, carefully considered your opinion, and found it to be completely lacking. Therefore, its not going to change or influence my opinion.

You may go right along and continue to bash and share your opinion about how I should change my viewpoints and philosophy to your viewpoint that we shouldnt bash or share our opinions.

I support that fully. As I stated in my thread, I think its great and I think its great that you are doing it. (Even if I am a little perplexed as to why you are doing the thing that I talked about and you so strongly disagree with me on...)

I have no need to be universally liked and I have no need to have my actions approved by everyone so I can handle them being challenged.

Edited to Add : 90% of the time when I do post something there is a point to it, whether subtle or obivous. I'm sorry you think I was off my rocker with my first post, but I ensure you, you were taking me a bit too serious. There was a valid point behind it if you read between the lines.

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

dammit, i just want to be recognized for my well thought out and - though sometimes skewed - logical opinions...even if they are negative, judgemental, and intolerant!!

*stomps her foot*

and if ya'll aren't gonna do it, i'm gonna take my toys and go to that sand box right over there *points* and shout so you still have to hear me anyway....

*waits, tapping her foot*

chelle...who doesn't have anyone to unite with ya'll against so will fight against ya'll for her daily requirement of drama....carlos mencia sometimes has very good observations...

waves  at you, from my sandbox... trying to get use to sitting alone and spitting into the wind.

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ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

Once more, i believe this was the thread that MR was talking about.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1152489/mpage_10/key_/tm.htm#1157390