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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 6:56:51 AM

farglebargle

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Rich, if you liked the article that you posted by Kimberly A Strassel...You will love this one...She's quite a peach.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/kstrassel/?id=95000940

LOL But is she hot, DG?

Funny how this concern for un-biased reporting was such a non-issue on the Dan Rather thread...

It appears that RATHER did NOTHING WRONG in the "Bush is a Yellow Coward" story.

Bush *IS* a Yellow Coward, and Rather was TOLD BY HIS BOSS NOT TO FACT CHECK THE STORY, AS THE BOSS WOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.

Of course, since the BOSS at Westinghouse Defense and Propaganda Broadcasting was trying to curry favor with the Bush Administration, RATHER'S BOSS neglected to fact check the document in issue ( HOWEVER, BUSH *IS* STILL PROVEN TO BE A COWARD -- A CRITICAL FAILURE OF MORALS ) and set RATHER up for the fall.

It's all in the recent court filing.

It's sad to see that the Bush Admin got away with their "Payback" against RATHER for the Abu Ghraib story.

Just because the Abu Ghraib story was BAD FOR BUSH didn't make is worthy of trashing the guy's reputation.

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 7:17:38 AM

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So, back to the subject at hand after all the misdirection.

Republican's want to keep using the troops over and over and over and over, some guys are now on their fourth and soon to be fifth deployment. Vietnam the tour of duty was a single year...

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 7:57:19 AM

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Which leads us to: "Are Bush's Policies Sane? SHOULD WE care about keeping people on the ground to support an INSANE policy?"

No. The idea of a strong, unified Iraq under a single powerful National government was laughable to begin with, therefore,
CONTINUED support of that policy is Just Plain Stupid.

3 Dead GI's a day. How many more dead GI's do YOU want?

That's the only question which needs to be asked?

How many more dead GI's do YOU want? None? Then you 100% support their immediate return.

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 8:03:51 AM

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Fargle,

If it was a choice between a right wing nutjob and you, I would side with the right wing nutjob any day. Shrill is not how you win friends and influence others...

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 8:08:47 AM

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What you would like to characterize as "Shrill", I think of as "Plain Talk".

Here it is folks, plain and simple.

EVERY US death in Iraq TOMORROW is because YOU did not bring the troops home TODAY.

All you need to do DEMAND the troops come home immediately.

So, every person needs to decide FOR THEMSELVES, exactly HOW MANY DEAD they want to be responsible for, and stop evading responsibility for their tacit promotion of this entire tragedy.

If someone takes offense at the idea that THEY are responsible for the deaths because THEY didn't stand up and denounce it, than that is THEIR problem, not mine. They've got to grow up and accept responsibility for their inaction.

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 11:39:05 AM

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next, he`ll be blaming Bill Clinton.

[sarcasm]

Blame Carter

[/sarcasm]

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 11:41:03 AM

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I am a cigar afficianado and I goddam sure blame Clinton for the rise in cigar prices since he cuban wrapped the lewinski whore.

Ron

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 11:59:07 AM

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I remember a great advert spoof,that Hustler did on Clinton.

It was a smiling Clinton holding a cigar ,saying:"nothing beats my presidential humidor,for flavor".LOL referring to the cigar insertion story.

BTW,Larry Flint is a 1st amendment hero,and a hero of mine.

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 12:31:30 PM

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So, back to the subject at hand after all the misdirection.

Republican's want to keep using the troops over and over and over and over, some guys are now on their fourth and soon to be fifth deployment. Vietnam the tour of duty was a single year...

As long as the double standards and hypocrisy are rolling, Simply, I'll be bringing the "misdirection" you find so inconvenient.

During Vietnam, we had a draft. If the Dems actually gave a shit about how often the troops are rotated in, instead of just wanting to keep the news cycle occupied, they would be trying to build a larger Army. It's very possible I missed such a proposal though. At this point, I pay about as much attention to their position of the day as I do to the shrill and stupid on this thread... Feel free to inform me if I missed their call for re-activating some of what was cut in the '90's.

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 3:02:06 PM

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Amid Uproar Over War, Rangel Renews Call for Draft
Both Parties Grapple With Iraq As They Await Study Group's Report

By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 20, 2006; Page A04

The incoming Democratic chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee said yesterday that he will push to renew the military draft, as lawmakers in both parties sharpened their criticisms of the situation in Iraq and struggled for consensus and solutions.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a likely presidential contender, leveled one of his harshest assessments yet, saying U.S. troops are "fighting and dying for a failed policy." He renewed his call for more U.S. troops in Iraq and said it is immoral to keep them fighting at the current deployment levels.

Oh, and is "Shrill" the new talking point used to dismiss those saying things you don't want to hear?

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 5:44:05 PM

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Figures.

The Neo-Con Republicans get us involved in two stupid wars which are completely unsuited for the design of our military, refuse to get us out of them, and pass the problem along to the poor slob who signed a contract to be a part of the US armed forces.

Now the Republicans want to blame the Democrats for not frothing at the mouth to reinstitute a draft to support their idiocy. Ya know what, I will accept the blame for refusing to sign on to a draft. If the Republicans care so much about our troops they will bring them all home.

I always thought that throwing good money after bad was generally a stupid thing to do. This is just me and I could
be wrong.

Sinergy

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 5:44:36 PM

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McCain would be a Republican, Fargle, and Rangel's attempts to get on TV hardly amount to call to restore the fighting force we built in the 80's.

"Shrill" was SimplyMichael's term. You ought to know by know that I think of your posts much more as "shrieky."

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 5:58:31 PM

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I don't know if you're aware of it, Sinergy, but today is POW/MIA Recognition Day. The text of a speech given out at March ARB wound up in my inbox. The speaker was former POW Jeremiah Denton. You might remember him as the guy who, when forced to participate in a North Vietnamese propaganda film, blinked out T-O-R-T-U-R-E in morse code.

You might like what he had to say (or not).

"I pray that patriots and veterans like you who turned out here today will succeed in assuring that our country regains a citizenry more concerned about the national interest than political party or personal interests--a citizenry aware that war is hell but that preservation of freedom and justice sometimes requires resort to military means--and requires a citizenry and political leadership that realize that victory demands more emphasis on effort and perseverance than on Congressionally initiated timetables for withdrawal. There are even worse forms of hell than war.

< Message edited by TheHeretic -- 9/21/2007 5:59:36 PM >

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 6:04:22 PM

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Nice quote, TheHeretic.

Regarding his comments on victory, though, the computer Whoper in the movie Wargames said "An interesting game, the only way to win is not to play."

The position I keep making is that Iraq is not a situation where it will work out the way AnencephalyBoy hopes it will. Most of the Iraq War Cheerleaders have been blathering on for years now that all we have to do is wait a little longer to see victory. Then when asked what "victory" actually means, one gets a blank stare of incomprehension.

Sinergy

p.s. On a really weird side note, I used to have an account on the computer called WHOPER in (NORAD) Cheyenne Mountain.

p.p.s. Edited to point out that if one does not know where one is going, odds are fairly good one will find themselves someplace else.

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 7:32:15 PM

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(<sigh> I come up with a quote that fresh, and you reply with something from a 1983 Matthew Broderick movie..... this is hardly the beta test of Global Thermonuclear War anyway)

Wars are won all the time, Sinergy (at least through the broad view of an historian). And wars have turned into slogging bloodbaths for a long time too. Our leadership's definition of 'mission' has changed a bunch of times and suffers from flawed vision. The enemy's is quite clear. Prove to the masses that the US can be pushed around by random violence, that we lack the testicular fortitude to fight. I don't pay much attention to the White House's daily talking points either, but I'll take as "Victory" pretty much anything that denies that claim to them (best case, one that gets our guys the fuck out of there).

I believe the price of giving them that will be far higher than we ever want to pay.

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 8:33:41 PM

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That ain't even fuckin' cogent, Rich.

I am heavy in war, and worth doing........first of all there is no war here no--------KU.
the change thin is first fuck up.

I will kill Sinergy. because he pisses me off............

That is war-
now if it turns on the dime that I will spend the money to make his life miserable and tell him that he has to have a policy that will result in him treating his girlfreind a little better, that is just--------------

never mind you all dont get it.

If I am gonna rob sinergy--------he will or he wont deliver........but it is a decisional thing....................and there will be an overall change plus or minus in policy, no fucking around.

I can't explain it well, but I would kill you for it. I win.

Barring that, you are faggots, dont involve me in it, I pay taxes and mow my lawn just ass you do.

You and your utopia make me fuckin puke.

Ron Melby

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 8:38:13 PM

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I will kill Sinergy. because he pisses me off............

What I do?

Sinergy

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 8:53:08 PM

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you forgot to support the war on terrorism; and furthermore as a democrat, when the republicans have layed all over themselves to extend a bipartisan hand you have not accepted their grace as total losers. By example the bill that voted 47 to 47 yesterday (or today--------time zones) about just dropping iraq off the face of the earth and bringing our boys home (how bout them republicans hah?) anyway-----------I am sure you blame Carter and Clinton for that---------and I just cant hang with that dawg..........

LOL

how did this get so close to what must happen and you being a flaming liberal and all that shit, and me wanna kill every motherfuckin towel head and we now have to decide that our picks for their governments--------------oh, Sinergy----------I feel so cheap------------ I am not an animal-----------I AM A NEO-CON.

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 8:59:56 PM

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you forgot to support the war on terrorism;

As opposed to AnencephalyBoy who could not even be bothered to listen to Clinton's briefing, pay attention to the experts in terrorism, and allowed the worst terrorist attack on the US to happen on his watch.

Sinergy

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RE: republican senators stab our GIs in the back,again.... - 9/21/2007 9:10:55 PM

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well, but this guy got his dick sucked, never involved himself or his country in foreign entanglements that were at best puffery and boondogles(jeffersonian, I know).......and while we are on the subject nixon took us off the gold standard and opened trade with china and you liberal maniacs actually let this reppublican hero do it. I blame it on the democrats. Thats the kinda shit you get us in and conservatives have to war us out of. Him and Ronald Rottencrotch have made your world a safer and better place and you don't see that shit do you, Ho Chi ?
For shame.

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