farglebargle
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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
Even a broken clock is right twice a day...
No, these days, a broken clock just displays a blank LCD screen, and are totally useless.
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Just because Iraq was a screw up doesn't automatically make Iran the most credible nation on the planet.
It doesn't.
Isn't that the REAL problem with Bush lying?
The sad fact that now, whatever Bush says about anything, specifically Iran is filtered though his history of lying, and given that, once you filter out the propaganda, Adminidjahd sounds pretty reasonable. ( Considering it's an Islamic Republic, with the usual limits of Sharia ( when seen from our Liberal Democracy ) ( Excepting the assholes who think executing gays is just fine... and you KNOW we have them lurking.... ) )
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Even the French are on Bush's side this time saying Iran is up to something. France, Britain, and the US want sanctions on Iran. Its now up to Russia and China to decide which side of the fense they want to be on.
Adminijahd ( you know, he really needs to work with a media consultant to come up with a better name... ) made an interesting case today for the Establishment Powers being very concerned at NOT being able to market their technology to Iran IF Iran successfully develops their own technological base. Hell, the US is so fucked, we couldn't find enought people to DRAFT the plans for the pieces to make a Saturn V, IF we could find enough people competent enough to build the tooling to fabricate the parts... which we can't... )
Iran *could* be the spark of a tech revolution in the middle east. Hell, they KNOW there's better things to do with light, sweet crude then burning the shit...
If I was an ex-manufacturing nation, or a current manufacturing nation, I'd be really concerned about the emerging players.
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And you think Iran has a higher moral high ground than the US?
No, just that the US is now Forever Deprived of being able to claim the Moral High Ground.
Period.
Iran is a different Sovereign nation. If the people of Iran had a problem with things, it's THEIR PROBLEM.
Get back to me when they're driving T-72's down I87, then it's my problem.
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They are jailing political dissidants. They are executing homosexuals. They are funding terrorism in Palestine and harboring Al-Queda leaders including Osama Bin Ladin's son.
Al Quaeda is Sunni. Iran is like 98 % Shia. Why would they be hiding Bin Laden's Kid? Wouldn't you look, say, in Saudi Arabia for a bin Laden? What you've suggested makes no sense whatsoever.
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They are giving money, logistics, and arms to the insurgency in Iraq for the sole purpose of destablizing the democratic government there.
What democratic goverment? The one which only met 17% or it's assigned goals? The one which is irrelevant to Iraqi and national politics and BARELY exists within the Green Zone, much less around the rest of Iraq?
Or did you mean the State of Kurdistan in what used to be Northern Iraq, that Democratic Government?
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They are developing nuclear technology and are refusing to allow the IAEA to inspect the sites.
From the IAEA: ( end of last month... )
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Implementation of the NPT Safeguards Agreement in the Islamic Republic of Iran
Regarding the implementation of Agency safeguards in the Islamic Republic of Iran, I would make four brief points.
First, the Agency has been able to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran. Iran has continued to provide the access and reporting needed to enable Agency verification in this regard.
Second, Iran has provided the Agency with additional information and access needed to resolve a number of long outstanding issues, such as the scope and nature of past plutonium experiments.
Third, contrary to the decisions of the Security Council, calling on Iran to take certain confidence building measures, Iran has not suspended its enrichment related activities, and is continuing with its construction of the heavy water reactor at Arak. This is regrettable.
Fourth, while the Agency so far has been unable to verify certain important aspects relevant to the scope and nature of Iran´s nuclear programme, Iran and the Secretariat agreed last month on a work plan for resolving all outstanding verification issues. These verification issues are at the core of the lack of confidence about the nature of Iran´s programme, and are what prompted actions by the Security Council. Iran´s agreement on such a work plan, with a defined timeline, is therefore an important step in the right direction. Naturally, Iran´s active cooperation and transparency is the key to full and timely implementation of the work plan. If the Agency were able to provide credible assurance about the peaceful nature of Iran´s past and current nuclear programme, this would go a long way towards building confidence about Iran´s nuclear programme, and could create the conditions for a comprehensive and durable solution.
Wow, a TIMELINE. Get back to me when Bush comes up with a TIMELINE, and we can talk....
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If it is for purposes of peaceful energy, why is Iran building these centrifuges underground and refusing inspections?
Well, you want your energy program to be safe from terrorists and nuts with bombers, don't you?
Quick, how many IAEA inspectors are walking around DOE sites? I dunno either. Do you think there are any?
Necessary Evils are Still Evil.
The ends NEVER justify the means.
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Google kicked up a reference to a DOE pdf, which reads, in part....
REQUIREMENTS.
a. All DOE facilities in the United States with source or special fissionable material
are eligible for application of International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)
safeguards under the Agreement and Protocol, excluding only those facilities
associated with activities with direct national security significance to the United
States.
SOOOOO... excluding only those facilities associated with activities with direct national security significance...
It would seem the USA has carved itself out a nice exemption to what I would have hoped was complete and total access ( That IS what you want from Iran, isn't it ) by the IAEA inspectors...
< Message edited by farglebargle -- 9/24/2007 9:18:14 PM >
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