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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 9/29/2007 3:05:07 PM   
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Prove what? During Vietnam? Look it up. The hippies were all high on pot as they protest the war
Oh come on now you cannot possibly know all of the hippies so how could you know that everyone of them was high on pot?

and root on communism against the evil capitalists.
Being against the war does not make you a communist....but I have noticed that both micky D and KFC are doing well in the Peoples Republic of Viet Nam.

That's common knowledge.
No it is neither common or knowledge it is simply your opinion which is woefully uninformed.

That anger isn't as intense today. But there are some on the extreme left that are. A reporter recently went inside a "peace" rally of anti-war protesters in D.C. and the reporter said that he had never recieved so many threats of being killed in his life.
Oh my! an unnamed reporter, reporting on and unnamed peace rally at an undisclosed location in D.C. said what????
If you were to put a couple of slices of bread with that peanut butter you might have a sandwich.

Moveon.org has basically called Patraeus a traitor.
As has been pointed out to you before, if he has an actionable cause under the libel or slander statutes then he could become a richer man by far.

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 9/29/2007 3:43:20 PM   
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That's a good point, the anti-war protesters have said some much more hurtful things about our troops than Rush has. Even go back to Vietnam where anti-war protesters spit on our troops as they came home and called them baby-killers because of the anti-war propaganda fueled by the communists.


You don't think that killing babies maybe had something to do with that perhaps, moreso than Commie Propaganda?




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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 9/29/2007 6:04:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		See my point, you do justify bashing the troops....just as long as it comes from the leftist point of view...

Look at how the NY Times ran the Abu Ghraib story on the front pages for weeks on end. Of course in a military of over 1 million people during a time of war, you going to have a few idiots that will violate the military code of conduct. And those few idiots will be punished. Of course we got more idiots out there in the public and the media that like to judge the rest of the military by the actions of those few.

And I still havn't figured out how that anti-war propaganda is supposed to help the country. Even Thomas Jefferson stated that once a war begins, the only successful outcome is a victory and that everyone should be support of the commander-in-chief.

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 9/29/2007 8:37:10 PM   
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See my point, you do justify bashing the troops....just as long as it comes from the leftist point of view...

Look at how the NY Times ran the Abu Ghraib story on the front pages for weeks on end. Of course in a military of over 1 million people during a time of war, you going to have a few idiots that will violate the military code of conduct. And those few idiots will be punished. Of course we got more idiots out there in the public and the media that like to judge the rest of the military by the actions of those few.
The military may be over a million men but in Iraq there are considerably less...the problems at Abu Ghraib were not simply a few bad apples it was systemic and involved generals down to privates.  It even involved Rumsfeld and his boss so please do not try to play this off as a "few bad apples" because that just does not wash.
In Viet Nam do the names mai lai and cam ne mean anything to you?  These were not isolated incidents they were just the ones caught on tape.  Hell the pentagon was ready to court martial a whole fucking battalion.


And I still havn't figured out how that anti-war propaganda is supposed to help the country.
Because when you are wrong you need to admit it and do what is right.

Even Thomas Jefferson stated that once a war begins, the only successful outcome is a victory and that everyone should be support of the commander-in-chief.
He was also a slave owner and was fucking his wifes sister...he was a great man but he was human just like you and me and just as capable of making stupid statements.

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 9/30/2007 1:51:09 AM   
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See my point, you do justify bashing the troops....just as long as it comes from the leftist point of view...


Aren't there higher standards for those acting in the name of The People?

If they acted with Honor and Integrity, there wouldn't be anything to criticize, would there?

See what happens when the Commander in Chief is an undisciplined coward?



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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 9/30/2007 7:15:38 AM   
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Yes it`s a lib site,but they have Rush`s audio(in full,his words,in context).

In case there`s a "context" issue,the call just prior to the "phony soldiers"call,is there.

Notice how he accuses the 2nd caller of not being a republican.
BTW,that`s SOP for Rush.Anyone calling in saying they`re conservative,but disagrees with Rush,is automatically called a democrat,a liar,and so on.

He has also tried to change the show`s transcript(very Orwellian,IMO).But he got caught,which makes him look even more guilty.

I think the big issue here,is the morale of our troops,because Rush`s show is broad-casted on Armed Forces Radio,to about 800,000 of them.

This is not a left-right issue.This is a right/wrong issue.This transcends politics.

Below is a pitition to have Rush removed from Armed Forces Radio/Network.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mmfa2/petition.html

I think a hip-hop music show,or sports program,would make the troops better entertained,and give them a taste of home.
Being brow-beaten into not speaking out,for fear of being called "phony"(or worse),is un-American,especially to a GI.
Rush,and people like him,shouldn`t be on the the Armed Forces Network,in any shape or form.

They deserve better.

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 9/30/2007 7:21:52 AM   
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I think it is funny how Democrats keep attacking a man who is not running for any office. Democrats attacking Rush Limbaugh only strokes Limbaugh's ego. He gets off on that.



Incorrect. He gets off on oxycontin. Probably not much else.

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 9/30/2007 8:23:57 AM   
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010?f=h_top

Yes it`s a lib site,but they have Rush`s audio(in full,his words,in context).

In case there`s a "context" issue,the call just prior to the "phony soldiers"call,is there.

Notice how he accuses the 2nd caller of not being a republican.
BTW,that`s SOP for Rush.Anyone calling in saying they`re conservative,but disagrees with Rush,is automatically called a democrat,a liar,and so on.

He has also tried to change the show`s transcript(very Orwellian,IMO).But he got caught,which makes him look even more guilty.

I think the big issue here,is the morale of our troops,because Rush`s show is broad-casted on Armed Forces Radio,to about 800,000 of them.

This is not a left-right issue.This is a right/wrong issue.This transcends politics.

Below is a pitition to have Rush removed from Armed Forces Radio/Network.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mmfa2/petition.html

I think a hip-hop music show,or sports program,would make the troops better entertained,and give them a taste of home.
Being brow-beaten into not speaking out,for fear of being called "phony"(or worse),is un-American,especially to a GI.
Rush,and people like him,shouldn`t be on the the Armed Forces Network,in any shape or form.

They deserve better.


Shouldn't the Armed Forces themselves be the ones to start any such petition? Why would they need you and your Liberal "Media Watchdog" group to do it. If Mr. Limbaugh really does hate the troops as you claim then I'm sure he won't last long on their Armed Forces Network.

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 9/30/2007 8:43:26 AM   
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I think a hip-hop music show,or sports program,would make the troops better entertained,and give them a taste of home.
Being brow-beaten into not speaking out,for fear of being called "phony"(or worse),is un-American,especially to a GI.
Rush,and people like him,shouldn`t be on the the Armed Forces Network,in any shape or form.

They deserve better.


        God forbid they should actually hear a variety of opinions after all.... 


          American Forces Network broadcasts the following NPR programs throughout Europe on AM and FM radio stations and ships at sea.




AFN AM European Schedule (AFN website)






Monday - Friday (Central European Time)
  • 0900-1000 NPR Car Talk (Thursday's only) (+ 1 617 353 6350)
  • 1200-1500 NPR Morning Edition (live)
  • 2000-2200 NPR Talk of the Nation (live) To join the conversation call + 1 (202) 513 3305, and we'll call you back.

(my understanding is that the Europe show is rebroadcast in Iraq, where transmission is available)

     AFRTS carries Limbaugh one hour a day. 

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 9/30/2007 9:09:23 AM   
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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 9/30/2007 9:33:56 AM   
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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 10/1/2007 11:39:38 PM   
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You want to put a leftist on Armed Services Radio? Why? So he can insult Patraeus like Moveon.org did?


No, I'd like to put a leftist onto Armed Forces radio so that our service members over there have a fucking clue what they are - or aren't - fighting for. It's the least we owe them.

http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12734

The poll asked the troops to agree or disagree on a number of reasons the United States is in Iraq. Some 85 percent listed "to retaliate for Saddam's role in the 9/11 attacks" as the main reason or a major reason.

"That was a curious response," Zogby said.

The 9/11 commission report in 2004 found "no credible evidence" Iraq had aided al-Qaida in the attacks.

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 10/2/2007 5:58:56 AM   
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I think a hip-hop music show,or sports program,would make the troops better entertained,and give them a taste of home.
Being brow-beaten into not speaking out,for fear of being called "phony"(or worse),is un-American,especially to a GI.
Rush,and people like him,shouldn`t be on the the Armed Forces Network,in any shape or form.

They deserve better.


       God forbid they should actually hear a variety of opinions after all.... 


         American Forces Network broadcasts the following NPR programs throughout Europe on AM and FM radio stations and ships at sea.






AFN AM European Schedule (AFN website)








Monday - Friday (Central European Time)
  • 0900-1000 NPR Car Talk (Thursday's only) (+ 1 617 353 6350)
  • 1200-1500 NPR Morning Edition (live)
  • 2000-2200 NPR Talk of the Nation (live) To join the conversation call + 1 (202) 513 3305, and we'll call you back.


(my understanding is that the Europe show is rebroadcast in Iraq, where transmission is available)

    AFRTS carries Limbaugh one hour a day. 


Calling any soldier who wants out of Iraq a"phony soldier",is NOT, an opinion.

And "Car Talk".That`s that an example of far left radio?lol

Come on now,you can do better.


Plus there`s the damage that Rush(and all the neo-cons)have caused,by helping the commander in thief,lie us into this war.


Rush is not opinion.He`s propaganda.Propaganda of the most deadly kind.

He`s been on for over 20 years.I think it`s time we had someone else for our troops to listen to.

If you think these guys listen to Rush,think again.
The average Joe in army listens to sports,hip-hop,and rock music.The young crowd (most of the army) doesn`t listen to talk-radio.That`s for old fogies(like me).

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 10/2/2007 7:01:10 AM   
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       God forbid they should actually hear a variety of opinions after all....  

    AFRTS carries Limbaugh one hour a day. 

Rich:
It appears that you are in favor of AFRTS carrying Air America or some such lefty propaganda as well as Rush and the right wing propaganda....
OMG can this be true
BTW do you believe for an instant that what the troops want to listen to is of any importance to the management of AFRTS?
One only need look at Adrian Cronauer and his short lived tour on air.
thompson

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 10/2/2007 9:00:43 AM   
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I don't *CARE* if the conditions for the troops suck. They are at war. It's supposed to suck. This is a pointless waste of money, which I'm sure could be spent for, say, armor. Or artillery. Or coming the fuck home.

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 10/2/2007 9:10:07 PM   
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BTW do you believe for an instant that what the troops want to listen to is of any importance to the management of AFRTS?



         Thompson, for three years of my life, if it was in English, it was FEN (Forced Entertainment Network).  They have the impossible mission of trying to please everybody, and typically wind up pleasing nobody.  The best approach seems to be the one they use; massive variety.

        Regardless of the usual ignorance spouted in this thread about "what the troops want," you know as well as I the great diversity in the ranks.  The playlist isn't about making anybody happy, it's about not pissing anybody off too much. 

       Limbaugh's show runs three hours a day.  AFRTS carries one.  Love him or hate him (or just find him the best of poor choices), he is a master of his medium.  He knows which hour is which.  Has anybody ever said if this segment was theirs? 

      As for the "phony soldiers" referenced in the thread title, there are such things.  Weren't there "first-hand accounts" of all sorts of improper actions by the Army recently, only to have it come out (at much lower intensity of course) that they were complete fabrications?  BAD fabrications, in that they displayed a fundamental ignoranceof the equipment being described?  How about the forged documents on CBS?  Forget the 1/2 size "th" of a word processor, the total incompetence in the use of common military terminology was a dead giveaway they were fraudulent.

     

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 10/2/2007 9:18:30 PM   
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Calling any soldier who wants out of Iraq a"phony soldier",is NOT, an opinion.



Is it an opinion to call the general of our armed forces in Iraq a "traitor" because he didn't say what you wanted in front of Congress?

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 10/2/2007 9:37:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have tried to verify it, but I heard that charges were actually being brought against "phony soldiers". Some of them actually filing claims with the VA. All of them made statements of supposed eye witness atrocities they saw, when in fact they have never been out of the country. I would think both parties would want to see these types of individuals prosecuted and everything brought out. It damages the credibility, from a general public perception, of any real soldiers that have seen something, and have made statements. It also dishonors those that have served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is not surprising that this is being used by both parties to try and pummel the other with. We the people fall for this all the time. Instead try asking your Congressman and Senators why they are not spending time on real issues.

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 10/2/2007 9:41:36 PM   
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Calling any soldier who wants out of Iraq a"phony soldier",is NOT, an opinion.



Is it an opinion to call the general of our armed forces in Iraq a "traitor" because he didn't say what you wanted in front of Congress?


So,that`s your defense of Rush?!

Hypocrisy,served up on a platter? Can`t you do better than that?

No wonder neo-cons are useless in the war on terror.
You wanna play he said ,she said,while our GI`s die.
Fuck`n grow up already.

I just heard that he censored/edited  out, the comment about the "phony soldiers",before the GI`s heard the show.Which makes him look like he`s hiding something.

Here`s the petition to remove Rush from AFR.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mmfa2/petition.html

It`s dated,w/ Rumsfeld`s name,but just as pertinent.

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RE: Rush limbaugh calls troops against war,phony soldiers - 10/2/2007 9:47:57 PM   
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I have tried to verify it, but I heard that charges were actually being brought against "phony soldiers". Some of them actually filing claims with the VA. All of them made statements of supposed eye witness atrocities they saw, when in fact they have never been out of the country. I would think both parties would want to see these types of individuals prosecuted and everything brought out. It damages the credibility, from a general public perception, of any real soldiers that have seen something, and have made statements. It also dishonors those that have served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is not surprising that this is being used by both parties to try and pummel the other with. We the people fall for this all the time. Instead try asking your Congressman and Senators why they are not spending time on real issues.

Orion


That`s the bs line he`s following to cover his ass.

It`s been gone through,from beginning to end.Top to bottom.

He`s talking about Iraq vets, who are against the war.Something ,btw,which neo-cons can not get their (pin)heads around.

They are the people who remove every ounce of credibility, that the neo-cons have.


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