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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I have tried to verify it, but I heard that charges were actually being brought against "phony soldiers". Some of them actually filing claims with the VA. All of them made statements of supposed eye witness atrocities they saw, when in fact they have never been out of the country. I would think both parties would want to see these types of individuals prosecuted and everything brought out. It damages the credibility, from a general public perception, of any real soldiers that have seen something, and have made statements. It also dishonors those that have served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is not surprising that this is being used by both parties to try and pummel the other with. We the people fall for this all the time. Instead try asking your Congressman and Senators why they are not spending time on real issues.

Orion

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I have tried to verify it, but I heard that charges were actually being brought against "phony soldiers". Some of them actually filing claims with the VA. All of them made statements of supposed eye witness atrocities they saw, when in fact they have never been out of the country. I would think both parties would want to see these types of individuals prosecuted and everything brought out. It damages the credibility, from a general public perception, of any real soldiers that have seen something, and have made statements. It also dishonors those that have served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is not surprising that this is being used by both parties to try and pummel the other with. We the people fall for this all the time. Instead try asking your Congressman and Senators why they are not spending time on real issues.

Orion

Orion:
I agree with what you have said but it is not what we are  talking about.
We are talking about Rush calling those who are in the military and  are opposed to the war phony soldiers.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Calling any soldier who wants out of Iraq a"phony soldier",is NOT, an opinion.

Is it an opinion to call the general of our armed forces in Iraq a "traitor" because he didn't say what you wanted in front of Congress?

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Since Rush is saying that his comments were directed at the ones that are phony, I menioned about charges being files. It seems relevant since it is Rush's excuse. I also tried to find the transcripts, does anyone know a site that has the actual transcripts?

Orion

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I have tried to verify it, but I heard that charges were actually being brought against "phony soldiers". Some of them actually filing claims with the VA. All of them made statements of supposed eye witness atrocities they saw, when in fact they have never been out of the country. I would think both parties would want to see these types of individuals prosecuted and everything brought out. It damages the credibility, from a general public perception, of any real soldiers that have seen something, and have made statements. It also dishonors those that have served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is not surprising that this is being used by both parties to try and pummel the other with. We the people fall for this all the time. Instead try asking your Congressman and Senators why they are not spending time on real issues.

Orion

Orion:
I agree with what you have said but it is not what we are  talking about.
We are talking about Rush calling those who are in the military and  are opposed to the war phony soldiers.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Since Rush is saying that his comments were directed at the ones that are phony, I menioned about charges being files. It seems relevant since it is Rush's excuse. I also tried to find the transcripts, does anyone know a site that has the actual transcripts?

Orion

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I have tried to verify it, but I heard that charges were actually being brought against "phony soldiers". Some of them actually filing claims with the VA. All of them made statements of supposed eye witness atrocities they saw, when in fact they have never been out of the country. I would think both parties would want to see these types of individuals prosecuted and everything brought out. It damages the credibility, from a general public perception, of any real soldiers that have seen something, and have made statements. It also dishonors those that have served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is not surprising that this is being used by both parties to try and pummel the other with. We the people fall for this all the time. Instead try asking your Congressman and Senators why they are not spending time on real issues.

Orion

Orion:
I agree with what you have said but it is not what we are  talking about.
We are talking about Rush calling those who are in the military and  are opposed to the war phony soldiers.
thompson

Rush is trying to wimp out.He`s not a stand-up guy.

Instead of apologizing,he attacks and uses weasel-words.


http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/02/limbaugh-vote-vets/

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

"I just heard that he censored/edited  out, the comment about the "phony soldiers",before the GI`s heard the show.Which makes him look like he`s hiding something. "   Any source or did you hear that in your own head?

AFN carries 4+ hours of NPR ever weekday, as well as Ed schultz's show, so there is plenty of left wing info for our troops. http://www.afneurope.net/Article.asp?PT=Power+Network&id=302190

This is an interesting issue.  For starters let's remember that the Vote vets group (we will get into exactly who they are and the fact that only 1 in 20 members are veterans) put out an EDITED clip of Rush to get this all rolling.  It is a lie from the get go.  And Senators are falling for it.  And everyone in the middle who looks at it will see this is the fact.   The anti war crowd has been using "fake soldiers" and Rush named one on air.  Jesse Macbeth.  http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003895483_webmacbeth21m.html   Vote Vets edited out where Rush specifically explained who he was talking about, and spliced the tape to make it seem as if Rush was done speaking and going to commercial.  All this outrage over fake tapes.  I used to have a quote as my tagline about fake outrage, but some whiner made them remove it.

What is not mentioned in this article is that his video widley circulated by VOTE VETS (among others) was translated into arabic and seen by millions of musilms around the world.  1st person confessions of US soldiers desecrating Mosques, raping women, slaughtering babies.  All lies.  Where was harry Reid's outrage?  Where was Murthas?  Oh yeah he bought into the Haditha lies hook line and sinker.  "Fake Soldier" is an understatement for this piece of crap, who spoke at several anti war rallies, and was promoted by Moveon, Vote Vets, ect.  And you can bet your hand that every real soldier would be furious to know of Macbeth and his supporters.  Which at this point seems to include Senator Reid, actually he probably only heard the fake tape and is now desperatly trying to figure out how to get out of the situation with a shred of credibility left.  I am sure he doesn't actually support those who tell lies of attrocities for the purpose of inflaming muslims against the US(and encouraging them to try to kill US troops), but it would be nice to have him clarify this. 

So we have a fake tape, with fake outrage, and now a pretending that Rush called someone a suicide bomber.  And millions of people will look into it.

Now Vote vets is a group that as of Febuary had over 20,000 members, of which only 1000 are veterans.  I went to thier site.  Its free to join.  And no previous service is required to join.  Thier Board of Advisors is not composed of all vets.  And include professinals from MoveON, and the Center For American Progress (one of the major funders of Air America).
"VoteVets.org has 20,000 members, including 1,000 veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, said spokesman Eric Schmeltzer. The PAC is part of a coalition of left-leaning groups organized by Americans United for Change that includes labor unions and liberal groups such as MoveOn.org.
The veterans group raised just over $1.3 million in the last election cycle. Some of that money came in large doses, from Wall Street and Hollywood sources. Lynne Wasserman, daughter of the late Hollywood mogul Lew Wasserman, shelled out $25,000. Hedge fund owner Kevin Toner, a generous Democratic contributor, gave $25,000, as did Brian Snyder, another New York investor. Other donors include Phil Donahue, Democratic doyenne Beth Dozoretz, TV producer Norman Lear and architect Frank Gehry. At least $20,000 has come from organized labor and another $5,000 came from Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid's (D-Nev.) Searchlight Leadership Fund. But most donations have been $1,000 or less."  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/07/AR2007020702317.html?sub=AR&reload=true 
"Soltz <one of the actuall public face veterans for the group> said the group is pro-military and not a front for the Democrats. "I'm a conservative," said Soltz, who volunteered on Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign.  same article, words in <xxx> are mine
 
So if I have this correct;  the group putting out the fake tape is funded by Big left wing money and the Democratic leadership, part of a network of Liberal groups, and is mostly non veterans, is outraged over Rush calling a criminal scumbag who lied to get US troops hated and hurt in the Muslim world a "Fake Soldier".  And so is Harry Reid, MSNBC, and a host of left wingers, some on this very web board.  Simply Outraged!!!  What a swiftboating.

As an aside one of the reasons that the Swift Boating actually worked was that while some of the charges when investigated turned out to be opinions.  But in learning that the readers would learn plenty of bad stuff about Kerry.  So even if some of the charges were overblown, one was left with a distaste for Kerry and doubts about his story.   In this case since the actuall event was based on an edited "fake" tape.  Any unbiased investigation will put the ones pushing the fake tape ina bad light, after all they are lying.  And leads to the bonus of people learning about Macbeth and his connection to the "Peace movement".  Heck I lean Republican(registered Independant and do not vote party line), and still think the War was the right call, but never heard of Macbeth and his crimes before.


What is great about this is
that millions of Americans will look into this, and learn about Macbeth and VoteVets and the Peace movement.  They ain't going to like it.  That some folks think this will be a "swift boat" for the left is freaking hillarious.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Fast Reply:

You believe things coming from David Brock? He is a professional hatchet man. I believe him as much as I believe Hillary and Bush. They are just doing what they need to do, for their own interest. Pawns of politcal parties are just as bad as the political parties. Stop being sheep of either side.

Orion

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Damn you should apply for a job as a political hatchet man. Do you actually believe the stuff you type? Have you looked into David Brock? So was he lying then but not now, now but not then, or lying both times?

He was outed, failed to hatchet job Hillary, and then jumped ship so he could continue making money. He is a mercenary and either political party that uses him, does so with full knowledge of what he is and what he does.

You seem to perpetuate the smoke screen of non-issues, when everyone should be demanding that the politicians focus on issues.

Orion