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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 2:43:38 PM   
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Allrighty then... 
 
That is clear as mud.  Are you trying to be mysterious?
 
While I have been around the block a few times...perhaps I've just missed the definition, as it has always been, of what is a vampire.  I have googled a bit...and most of what I found still involves blood and pretty much all the stuff associated with the storybook version.  I did find a couple sites where people are proclaiming to be vampires who are re-defining themselves and beginning a new lifestyle...but they are not yet finished and seem to have no definitions available.  When they do...I guess there will be a new definition, afterall.
 
I did see some stuff regarding psychic vampires... which sounds a lot like some version of chakra work popular since Sanskrit times; so I'm not sure why it would have the word vampire associated with it.  I wonder, would a yogi be a vampire, then?  I have done some reading regarding this kind of energy work...but have never seen the word 'vampire' having anything at all to do with it.  Not that it couldn't, of course...people say lots of stuff.   I'm just sayin.
 
I did find a Vampire Brewery...with several choices from a vineyard Paso Robles, CA...but surely you are not talking about the 'blood of the vine', huh?
 
While it is obvious you must know something I don't, or at least believe you do, I would have to say it shouldn't be a surprise I do not know what the heck you are talking about if it is arcane enough that it's difficult to research through google.
 
Perhaps I should ask if someone else can enlighten me, please.
 
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 2:54:27 PM   
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Allrighty then... 
 
That is clear as mud.  Are you trying to be mysterious?


I thought that was muddy too .
I add the accessories to it in my mind when I think of the concept. I knew a few kids in college that did this and what sticks out in my mind most was that they incorporated a lot of what they considered vampirism into every day stuff. Stylized, romantic and dark.
Clothing was fun, back then it would have been early goth. Yeah I'm that old.
It was a lot more like role play than what I think you're thinking about but then I could be totally wrong on what you think lol.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 2:58:27 PM   
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 2:59:11 PM   
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Thank you camille, somehow I didn't think it was 'just me'.
 
There is a lot of talk about 'Goth' when reading about vampires, too...but somehow I think that is not what was meant.  The Goth kids love all their dark cloths and dark look...but I suppose that would be role-play and fantasy; and not the real thing.
 
I just wish I knew what was a real vampire........today.
 
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 2:59:21 PM   
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i figure there are all sorts of D/s relationships, you know?  and who am i to say that one is better than another, all i can say is what i do and dont want with Sir.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 3:02:48 PM   
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Yes, I saw it BSB... I'd been waiting for it ever since they started showing the previews.  It was entertaining, wasn't it?  It kinda made me think of so many of Ann Rice's earlier books on the subject; I liked them, as well. 
 
But...that's also in keeping with the fantasy-view, I guess.  Even though the guy was a good vampire (and I love that concept...it is a HAWT fantasy, afterall), he still had to drink blood to survive.  So...the show is just another TV thriller that keeps us thinking about what 'old' vampires are. 
 
Hopefully we'll hear what a new one is soon...     Anybody?
 
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 3:32:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bearlee, if you want to really know what I believe, it is that it just doesn't help any community, group or single person to have others get bound up by specific labels and stereotypes.  I am simply saying that by your definition, because you don't think they can actually call themselves vampires because they don't consume copious amounts of blood like the fairytale version you perceive, that by your definition, then Masters and slaves cannot call themselves that because they aren't really in a Ms relationship because in our countries and laws, they don't exist.  Just because you may enjoy a little blood play, that doesn't make you a vampire, however if you subsist blood or whatever matter you choose then you would fit the definition of a vampire.  Your fantasy is their reality - and what you feel is your reality, could be a fantasy to them.  But I get the impression you are dismissing vampirism as simply a fantasy that doesn't have a basis in BDSM when it isn't about the kink itself but the exchange of power within it that makes it important in BDSM.
 
But like I said before, the thread was a straight forward question about vampirism and what it has to do with BDSM.  Maybe the OP will return to the thread and expand the question and their thoughts on what vampirism is to them and whether they have contemplated it's not just about drinking blood and wearing frilly shirts.  Or maybe they had the same idea as yourself and that a vampire only lives on blood and blows up in daylight.
My response would be - watch a little less Buffy.
 
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 3:34:32 PM   
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I thought that was muddy too .


Hey camille - I am trying!
I don't know how else to explain vampirism other than saying that some people work with each other within a power exchange subsisting a fluid, solid or whatever 'matter' they so choose and are considered and associate with vampirism - and it doesn't have to be blood.  Blood is simply the whole stereotype of what vampirism is, in the same way that BDSM can be portrayed as all abusers and the abused.  On an aside, I watched an excellent documentary roughly over a year ago about a group of vampirism followers who were porphyria related (this is totally not connected with BDSM ) and that was really interesting to watch.
 
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 3:42:11 PM   
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Did anyone see the premier of the new Vampire show "Moonlight"?   I really, really, like it!



Not heard of it here over in the UK BSB - we will probably get it (eventually) like we are only just getting through Heroes... TV is soooo behind here...
We did have a really good program a few years back in the late 90's in the UK called 'Ultraviolet' which rocked... not the same as the film staring Milla J... but an english series.  It gained a bit of a cult TV following here and they did rumour making a US version, but I dont think anything came into being.
 
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 5:16:09 PM   
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My query is this:For those who are into, vampirism, what does it have to do with BDSM? :-?


What does sex have to do with BDSM? We certainly didn't corner on the market on it.

Fangs and blood get me wet. Not to mention the whole "I can control you" thing that Dracula had going on. Do some reading on Victorians, vampires and succubi if you want to learn more.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 5:17:54 PM   
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Well, kinda, yes.  I enjoy making people bleed a bit and even licking blood...  but I have the old fashioned idea vampires actually suck blood to sustain their existance.
 
And... don't they often burst into flames in the sunshine?
 



That depends on what myths you are listening to. Almost every, if not every, culture in this world has had their verison of the vampire myth. The amount of blood/life force required, abilities and limitations varied.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 5:24:29 PM   
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My vampirism had nothing, originally, to do with my BDSM.  It was actually completely accidental at first, but something I found I really enjoyed.  When I was with my first real serious, rough sex and biting were the norm.  On ocasion , one would draw blood on the other. It was hot, and we both started doing it on a more regular basis.  It became, for a little while, a fetish, unless I was biting my lover (not necessarily to the blood-drawing phase) I wasnt going to get anywhere.

Later, when I got into BDSM, a few partners here and there became "donors". By giving themseves to be so far as to let me drink from them, they considered that the ultimate in submission.  They became part of me. I dont do that with all my subs, not by a long shot. However, it is a very deep bond when I do get that far with someone.

Hope my 2 cents helps.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 5:37:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I saw this quoted in an article (but I had to edited it to make it my own). So this is a combination of quote and my own feelings:
The reason is rooted in the deepest differences between the sexes and the roles we play in mating. I believe women experience sex as an act of surrender, and the I (not speaking for other ment) experience it as aggression and even conquest. It's just the nature of the beast. Women find submission to be strongly tied to arousal.
The vampire accomplishes this in the most thrilling way possible. He's usually preternaturally handsome, elegant and charming, the sort of guy who'd be perfectly attractive even without the lust for blood. He has hypnotic powers, the magical equivalent of supreme seduction skills. And best of all, he's so extremely alluring we don't even care about dying. "Better than death" is a pretty good sell when it comes to sex.Isn't it also the ultimate submission?

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 5:51:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ya know dark…I don’t know if you are just trying to be cute or what; but please do not put words in my mouth.  I didn’t even use the word ‘copious’.  But I DID say, and continue to say…I imagine those into the vampire thing are likely those who are into the online thing and/or the role-play thing.
 
I contend that the ‘accepted view’ of what a ‘vampire’ is…is a blood drinker.  The fantasy of that, in my opinion, is much like the fantasy of the newbies who actually think phrases like “kneel bitch” and “you will be chained and used at my leisure” or those onliners who live out all their BDSM by computer.  The role-play might be hawt…but by and large, I believe it is likely all fantasy.
 
Having said that… I ASKED you to tell me what you’re talking about, and you apparently cannot do so.  When a group of Goth-like kids get together and do some ritual cutting and sucking of blood, I would say they are kids pretending to be vampires.  I would say that because today, the general accepted view of the term ‘vampire’ is: “the reanimated body of a person believed to come from the dead at night to suck the blood of living persons.”
 
That a group of persons suffering a disorder of enzymes that made them sensitive to light decided to call themselves ‘Vampires’ is not as creative as you might think; the disorder has long been suggested as the possible explanation of both vampires and werewolves.  There are more sites listed regarding this than makes citing it here necessary.
 
While it is clear we disagree here, I have been nothing but polite; and continue to ask you to explain what you are talking bout to me.  If you cannot do it, or can only offer the highly unusual example like the folks with the disorder that made them sensitive to light (the enzyme disorder: Porphyria), then there is no reason to get snarky.  I do not watch Buffy.
 
And back to your suggestion that, if I don’t believe vampires are real, then neither can I believe in D/s is skewed.  While I regularly say I embrace the ‘conscious suspension of reality’ when it comes to some D/s and M/s stuff…it is with intent and commitment that I believe it is possible to live it in our world today.  What I asked, and continue to ask, is what it is that today’s vampire does…that makes it a vampire.
 
Yes, AquaticSub…there are many variations on the theme and I can only discuss the one I grew up with; but as you said nearly every culture has the vampire myth and we all know what they’re talking about, when they bring them up.
 
Thank you DV…that makes perfect sense to me; a ritualistic sharing or offering; perhaps along the lines of becoming a ‘blood brother’?   Were it to be part of your BDSM experience or part of the TPE…then I can certainly see how ‘vampirism’ might be actually a spiritual exchange fluid AND a real part of one’s life.  Now…THAT was an answer.  Thank you again.
 
dark had a thought...perhaps the OP will wade back in and mention what it was they meant when they used the term.
 
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 6:21:36 PM   
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There's been one fetish that is among my numerous list of hard limits, that being vampirism. My query is this:For those who are into, vampirism, what does it have to do with BDSM? :-?


Read some of Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake vampire novels. Whoo, steamy rough sex. Total power exchange. Elegant wealthy supersexy supernatural lovers who have cool accents because they originated in Europe.  (Fans self!)

As far as I can tell, there is now a whole genre of similar vampire books out there, combining vampires and lots of BDSM elements. But LOTS of women have found vampires sexy for years and years. From conversations with friends, many guys prfer werewolf stories, but my gal friends all go for the bloodsuckers.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 7:23:04 PM   
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Did anyone see the premier of the new Vampire show "Moonlight"?   I really, really, like it!



Not heard of it here over in the UK BSB - we will probably get it (eventually) like we are only just getting through Heroes... TV is soooo behind here...
We did have a really good program a few years back in the late 90's in the UK called 'Ultraviolet' which rocked... not the same as the film staring Milla J... but an english series.  It gained a bit of a cult TV following here and they did rumour making a US version, but I dont think anything came into being.
 
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 7:26:08 PM   
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Thank you, Drifa...there is no doubt TPE exists within the vampire genre and I agree it's hot, hot, hot.  What is not to like either offering or taking...a sweet, vulnerable neck?
 
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 7:26:43 PM   
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 7:28:23 PM   
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 7:35:46 PM   
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Yes, I saw it BSB... I'd been waiting for it ever since they started showing the previews.  It was entertaining, wasn't it?  It kinda made me think of so many of Ann Rice's earlier books on the subject; I liked them, as well. 
 
But...that's also in keeping with the fantasy-view, I guess.  Even though the guy was a good vampire (and I love that concept...it is a HAWT fantasy, afterall), he still had to drink blood to survive.  So...the show is just another TV thriller that keeps us thinking about what 'old' vampires are. 
 
Hopefully we'll hear what a new one is soon...     Anybody?
 
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I liked his rich friend too.. and I just knew immediately that the girl in the flashbacks was the same girl..
Yeah, he is hot.  Could help me get over David Boreanz finally.. LOL

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