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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 7:36:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

Allrighty then...

That is clear as mud. Are you trying to be mysterious?

While I have been around the block a few times...perhaps I've just missed the definition, as it has always been, of what is a vampire. I have googled a bit...and most of what I found still involves blood and pretty much all the stuff associated with the storybook version. I did find a couple sites where people are proclaiming to be vampires who are re-defining themselves and beginning a new lifestyle...but they are not yet finished and seem to have no definitions available. When they do...I guess there will be a new definition, afterall.

I did see some stuff regarding psychic vampires... which sounds a lot like some version of chakra work popular since Sanskrit times; so I'm not sure why it would have the word vampire associated with it. I wonder, would a yogi be a vampire, then? I have done some reading regarding this kind of energy work...but have never seen the word 'vampire' having anything at all to do with it. Not that it couldn't, of course...people say lots of stuff. I'm just sayin.

I did find a Vampire Brewery...with several choices from a vineyard Paso Robles, CA...but surely you are not talking about the 'blood of the vine', huh?

While it is obvious you must know something I don't, or at least believe you do, I would have to say it shouldn't be a surprise I do not know what the heck you are talking about if it is arcane enough that it's difficult to research through google.

Perhaps I should ask if someone else can enlighten me, please.

B

As having met a couple of Vampires (and let me tell you...I hope these people werent ideal examples of Vampire sub culture), the general understanding I have is that a Vampire, in the modern cult terms, is a person who cannot sustain their own energy and needs to feed off the energy of others. Its not merely about drinking blood to resore that energy, but energy transfer in other ways, particularly sexual.

Personally, I think they are just another sub sect of this alternate lifestyle umbrella that enjoy kink and thinks being a Vampire is "cool".

When I meet individuals who alter that opinion, I will let you know.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 7:37:03 PM

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LMAO... too funny

B

edited to add the above response was to his post #38.

Regarding his post #41; I would say if "the general understanding I have is that a Vampire, in the modern cult terms, is a person who cannot sustain their own energy and needs to feed off the energy of others." ...then all the hot, hot, hot for me is gone. An exchange of energy is one thing, but who wants to carry another?

Just my thoughts,
B

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 7:48:31 PM

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http://www.collarchat.com/m_864129/mpage_1/key_vampirism/tm.htm#864171
How do you feel about blood?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_322160/mpage_1/key_blood/tm.htm#322528
blood play

http://www.collarchat.com/m_206738/mpage_1/key_blood/tm.htm#206752
What is vampirism?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_200009/mpage_1/key_cutting/tm.htm#200057
Cutting

Vampirism and bloodplay

Blood and vampires

Vampirism and succubus

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 8:35:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

LMAO... too funny

B

edited to add the above response was to his post #38.

Regarding his post #41; I would say if "the general understanding I have is that a Vampire, in the modern cult terms, is a person who cannot sustain their own energy and needs to feed off the energy of others." ...then all the hot, hot, hot for me is gone. An exchange of energy is one thing, but who wants to carry another?

Just my thoughts,
B

Given the explanation given to me by these two individuals, my personal opinion is that its just an excuse to fuck and drink blood.

Maybe its some form of psycho-neurosis-whatever. Maybe some people really do have this kind of problem.

Who knows? I havent been to any Vampire Covens or Vampire Parties so my experience with the "Vampires" are limited.

However, given that in the next breath, she tried to convert me to the Church of Satan, her credibility isnt too strong with me.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 10:23:15 PM

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Why not vampires?...We got Wiccans, Druids, SCA, Trekkies, Little girls, Kitten and pony play, Scat mongers, Goreans....Why the fuck not vampires? Probably the pick of the litter.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/1/2007 11:34:04 PM

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giggles because she just got back from a weekend where she got to spend some amazing time with a real life vampire...who didn't burst into flames tho...maybe she wasn't twue...i wonder what she would have said if i had told her...but wait...i wouldn't have...i would not have been so presumptuous...i have this crazy concept...but i won't go there...
there was one point after midnight...i guess a little over 24 hours ago right now...where she placed a piece of leather that was aprox 10 ft long and 1 ft wide....covered in run pins...and she shared her history with me...and little ole verbose me was speachless...there is nothing you can say to that...just stand strong under that awesome weight and feel the power and responsibility and honor...and try not to blubber like a baby...
check out her online short biography... http://www.iron-rose.com/vijohnson/Biography.htm

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 4:20:46 AM

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Ya know dark…I don’t know if you are just trying to be cute or what; but please do not put words in my mouth. I didn’t even use the word ‘copious’. But I DID say, and continue to say…I imagine those into the vampire thing are likely those who are into the online thing and/or the role-play thing.

Never said you did say copious, that was me, so no words placed in your mouth I can assure you. You think it is roleplay, I tried to explain that for some people it is and for some it is not, it is a life they lead, that it isn't all blood and even though I have repeatedly explained that to you when you have asked, you seem to ignore it and keep asking if I am being cute or snarky. I haven't tried to be either.... you asked what being a vampire is and I explained back on page one - but you keep saying you still don't understand. - So I am posting it here again.

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*** subsisting with - as an example; blood or another form of fluid, solid or whatever they 'feed' from
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I contend that the ‘accepted view’ of what a ‘vampire’ is…is a blood drinker. The fantasy of that, in my opinion, is much like the fantasy of the newbies who actually think phrases like “kneel bitch” and “you will be chained and used at my leisure” or those onliners who live out all their BDSM by computer. The role-play might be hawt…but by and large, I believe it is likely all fantasy.

Then I contend that by your statement, that all of BDSM is then, fantasy. Masters are not 'really' Masters, because they cannot 'own' anything. That 'slaves' are not really 'slaves' because they are not property as far as the state is concerned. I can understand that you think Vampires are all pretend or fantasy or whatever and that is your POV and thats all cool, but realise it comes from the same place as those that negate Ms relationships because it is purely 'fantasy'.

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Having said that… I ASKED you to tell me what you’re talking about, and you apparently cannot do so. When a group of Goth-like kids get together and do some ritual cutting and sucking of blood, I would say they are kids pretending to be vampires. I would say that because today, the general accepted view of the term ‘vampire’ is: “the reanimated body of a person believed to come from the dead at night to suck the blood of living persons.”

You say that is the generally accepted term, but I suggest it isn't, it's what you percieve it to be and there are others - that is what I am trying to discuss with you. It may be the storytale and fantasy generally accepted term, but if you step out of that and consider history, legends and other countries, particularly european history and culture, you see the term is much broader. Thats not being cute or snarky, just offering you some other places to go look into if you desire to broaden your knowledge.

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That a group of persons suffering a disorder of enzymes that made them sensitive to light decided to call themselves ‘Vampires’ is not as creative as you might think; the disorder has long been suggested as the possible explanation of both vampires and werewolves. There are more sites listed regarding this than makes citing it here necessary.

I never said it was creative, I said it was an interesting documentary and not related to BDSM. And it was necessary to mention, just as necessary as mentioning other TV programmes.

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While it is clear we disagree here, I have been nothing but polite; and continue to ask you to explain what you are talking bout to me. If you cannot do it, or can only offer the highly unusual example like the folks with the disorder that made them sensitive to light (the enzyme disorder: Porphyria), then there is no reason to get snarky. I do not watch Buffy.

Meh, polite is subjective hey. I was being light - you thought snarky. Go figure huh?

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And back to your suggestion that, if I don’t believe vampires are real, then neither can I believe in D/s is skewed. While I regularly say I embrace the ‘conscious suspension of reality’ when it comes to some D/s and M/s stuff…it is with intent and commitment that I believe it is possible to live it in our world today. What I asked, and continue to ask, is what it is that today’s vampire does…that makes it a vampire.

Again reality is subjective, surely? What is 'real' to one is fantasy to another? You may percieve yourself to be a dominant at times. I may not. I may not seem particularly submissive to you - its all subjective. But to contend that a vampire isn't a vampire because they do not fit a single definition that you have linked to vampirism is like suggesting a submissive only comes in one single 24/7 ontheknees form and we all know that isn't true - don't we? As for what a vampire can be - see above (again)***

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 4:29:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

But you did get Buffy and Angel, didn't you?

Yes, BSB - we did... and still do - over and over again...
Actually, I am a big Spike/James Marsters fan... I have (for my sins) the puppet 'Spike' on my bookcase, from the 'SMILETIME' episode - it's soooo cute. (I have other spikey thangs, but that's enough of my fandom confession for now...)

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 5:42:22 AM

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I admit even after reading your link I still don't get what a real live vampire is/does. What kind of power does she have?
I don't gettttttttt it

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

giggles because she just got back from a weekend where she got to spend some amazing time with a real life vampire...who didn't burst into flames tho...maybe she wasn't twue...i wonder what she would have said if i had told her...but wait...i wouldn't have...i would not have been so presumptuous...i have this crazy concept...but i won't go there...
there was one point after midnight...i guess a little over 24 hours ago right now...where she placed a piece of leather that was aprox 10 ft long and 1 ft wide....covered in run pins...and she shared her history with me...and little ole verbose me was speachless...there is nothing you can say to that...just stand strong under that awesome weight and feel the power and responsibility and honor...and try not to blubber like a baby...
check out her online short biography... http://www.iron-rose.com/vijohnson/Biography.htm

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 5:58:05 AM

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Bossy,
I too like the TV show, but what has really caught My attention is the new pictures that you have, very nice.
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 6:03:45 AM

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i really hope you were being sarcastic...........lol...

oh oh and i love James Marsters as Spike...but he loses something when he is not being extremely sarcastic with a british accent....and my favorite line by him as Spike is still "ahoy matey, swab my deck" but you had to have seen the episode and heard him say it to get why its so fucking funny...

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 7:24:12 AM

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My favourite Spike line - when they lose their memories -

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Sodding,blimey,shagging,knickers,bollocks. Oh my God! I'm English!

the.dark.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 8:05:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Bearlee, if you want to really know what I believe, it is that it just doesn't help any community, group or single person to have others get bound up by specific labels and stereotypes. I am simply saying that by your definition, because you don't think they can actually call themselves vampires because they don't consume copious amounts of blood like the fairytale version you perceive,
...

My response would be - watch a little less Buffy.

Peace
the.dark.

Okay then... I am finished with this conversation with you; there is no point in trying to have a discussion with someone who cannot remember what they say and instead try for disingenuousness and sarcastic retort. You have lost whatever credibility you had with me. A shame too, because sometimes I thought you had interesting things to add. No more...

Beverly

edited for politness and spelling.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 8:23:02 AM

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Beverly...i would suggest you look up the definition of disingenuous and sarcastic because the highlighted reply you responded to you was anything but disingenuous and sarcastic...i don't believe there were any responses that were disingenuous...but there were definately some sarcastic responses on this thread...

but then again it certainly is in your right to take your toys and find another sandbox to play in if you don't like what the kiddies are saying in this one...

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 8:46:31 AM

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If you find my words credible or not is irrelevant other than to yourself, if you are unable to hold a discussion without feeling hard done by, simply because someone offers you thoughts into what something may mean to someone else, that does not meld with your perception. Making a public announcement about it is your choice.

Be safe

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 9:17:00 AM

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Disingenuous seemed so much better than liar; when someone says something and then dances around the fact that they said it…I would say they have been DISINGENUOUS. What part of the definition are you having trouble with?

Having said that, kitty…I was not talking to you, nor anyone other than the one to whom I addressed my comments; I just find it counter-productive to try to have a discussion with someone who cannot answer or respond directly. I am not the only person here having a problem trying to figure out just what IS a real-life vampire; and what is it that makes one so…other than playing dress-up. At least you offered a link, which I appreciated. Unfortunately, the piece given regarding ‘Vampire’ from your link…which I’ll offer here:

“Vi Johnson, vampire, is a proud member of the Illuminati who was birthed at 12 and made before the age of 17. For over a quarter of a century she and the intimate members of her feeding circle enjoyed the peaceful existence of ordinary blood drinkers until accidentally outed in 1989 by a younger vampyre seeking a role model.
Since then she has been sought out by an ever-increasing number of orphans and hapless progeny who seek her advice when their own makers are not to be found. In Late 1994, after almost 27 years in the kinship she decided to procreate for the first time. Now she has a daughter and a son of the blood who are the pride and joy of her life.
A recognized elder within the "Illuminatti" and other clans Viola heads her own house, and has been given the title Mother out of respect for her wisdom and standing.”

…still fails to offer much explanation, now does it? There was no supporting information or any other links, for that matter. Is there any wonder why I cannot get past the feeling of ‘fantasy’? But, I’m glad you had a good time.

Beverly

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 9:28:13 AM

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while appreciate your attempt at an argument....we will deconstruct your argument one thing at a time...
1) you can not have a 1 on 1 argument in a public forum and not have other people jump in, and then dissmiss them by saying "I was not talking to you." Rule number 27. Look it up...whoops, if we're going by this thread it appears that you have lost your rule book and further discussing this would be pointless...

2) i provided one link to a brief biography of Vi Johnson...in 0.18 seconds google comes up with 9,640 responses to the name "Vi Johnson" (in quotation marks) and in 0.20 seconds google comes up with 14,500 responses to the name "Viola Johnson" (again, in quotes)... try doing that search with your full name or any combonation there of and have copious amounts of the links refer to you...i gave you a name...i will not do all the foot work for you...sorry...i have nothing to prove to you...

chelle

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 9:50:00 AM

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Here you go, a site, a bazillion links....pretty much explains it all.

http://www.darksites.com/souls/vampires/vampdonor/links.html

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 9:55:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

Disingenuous seemed so much better than liar; when someone says something and then dances around the fact that they said it…I would say they have been DISINGENUOUS. What part of the definition are you having trouble with?.

Beverly

Ah... honesty. At last.
If you think one a liar, at least have the ability to say it and not dance around your thoughts. At least your open that you are unable to let know where they stand with you. Excellent personality trait there (and no that wasn't me being snarky - I don't 'do' snark' - but talking aloud with my own thoughts of your personal behaviour).

Tell me where I 'lied'?

Explain where I did not give you an adaquate description of what a vampire uses to describe themselves? You may not of understood it - but you can crow all you like (and yes, now that is me being abrasive, just so you do understand that comment correctly) how I have not responded to your question of what a vampire may be - but you would be wrong. You simply refuse to see it even when I have highlighted it for you.

I gave you an explaination as best as I could to someone who has shown no obvious desire to know any different than what they believe. If google or wiki is your only point of reference, then I can see where your problem may lay. If you wish to explore further, bookshops and libraries are wonderful places. Like chelle, I am not doing the leg work for you. That isn't in my job description.

You have been neither polite nor understanding. You have tried to control the angle of this thread from the moment you posted. You have tried to control other people responding to you and what they respond. If you find that rude - suck it up. Do not assume you know me. Do not assume that anything I say is cute, snarky or any other *insert passive aggressive remark here* Instead of making little public announcements which do nothing than further your own agenda, why not hold a reasonable conversation - or bring it to Darcy and myself privately. I am sure people do not wish to see the thread ripped apart by a petty endeavour of one upmanship and it isn't productive nor respectful of the OP.

I do apologise to the OP (and the mods) for being a part of this hijack of an otherwise interesting thread.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 11:39:31 AM

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I love the dark, controlling yet animalistic, sensuality of the "stereotypical" vampire myth. I admit to loving biting and being bitten though with me, it comes more from a primal energy than a desire to feed off another. I admit to not knowing a lot about modern vampires other than some emotional vampires that I have dealt with.

To try and add to what L.A. wrote, I will offer this up. Hope that Bearlee and others may find it helpful...

Introduction

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Hello, and welcome to Sanguinarius: the Vampire Support Page. The purpose of this website is multifold. For one, it exists in order to give support and guidance to those individuals who find themselves having to deal with the problems, instincts and desires, urges and needs that are characteristic of the condition commonly referred to as "vampirism." Another purpose of this site is to bring the "vampiric community" closer together. To view Sanguinarius: The Vampire Support Page's Statements of Purpose, click here.
If you are saying to yourself, "Real vampires?! What the HECK?!", then you probably don't have any use or need for this page.
This page is an attempt to reach those certain individuals who may be looking for a specific type of assistance, support, etc. If you feel that you are one of those certain individuals, then you have come to the right place.

Sanguinarius does not deal with fiction, folklore, or role-playing games. If that is what you are looking for, then you'll need to look elsewhere. I have nothing against role-playing, but if you are a vampire in role-playing-persona only, please do not waste my time and yours trying to convince me that you really are a vampire. I may be a 'Sucker, but I'm not a SUCKER.
Thanks so-o much... :-)
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I don't have anything against "Vampyre lifestylers"; they are welcome here, too. I just don't want to be bombarded by pretenders and people lying to me. (I can't help ya with being a vampire, if you are NOT a vampire...get it? That's all.)
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NOTE: While I do try to make this site as appealing as possible (after all, who likes a dull site?), it is not intended for entertainment. It contains material relating to an, um, ...alternative... way of life. Small children have NO NEED whatsoever to come inside. Whether you believe that vampires exist or not, this site is intended for vampires: those who drink blood, psychic vampires / energy vampires (psivamps), and "Vampyre" lifestylers. If you have no need to be here, then you don't need to be here.
Sanguinarius: The Vampire Support Page is a site designed for those who are or may be blood-drinkers, psychic vampires / energy vampires, and "Vampyres" (vampyre lifestylers). It is here in order to give support and guidance to those who have no one else to turn to; it is here to show people what "vampires" are and are not; it is here so that individuals who display vampiric tendencies can know that they are not alone; it is here that I hope to tear down all the false ideas about real-life vampires, -- i.e., real individuals who do have a craving for blood or psi energy; I hope to be a positive influence on those who make this site one of their homes-on-the-web, and to keep their spirits up; it is here, also, for those who are curious or interested in real-life vampires.
By continuing on to view this site further, you are certifying that you are either an adult, or are viewing this site with adult supervision, or have the permission of an adult (preferably, a parent or legal guardian) to view this site. Parents, it's your responsibility to police your children.
I sincerely thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter.
--Sanguinarius
P.S. -- This site doesn't contain any porno.

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Because of the nature and focus of The Vampire Support Page, there are topics which I know some people will find objectionable. I ask that if you are one of these people, please don't continue on inside. I have no desire to offend your sensibilities! :-)

That came from this site, if you are interested in reading further...

http://www.sanguinarius.org/vampire.shtml

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