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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 12:33:35 PM   
GhitaAmati


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Why not vampires?...We got Wiccans, Druids, SCA, Trekkies, Little girls, Kitten and pony play,  Scat mongers, Goreans....Why the fuck not vampires?   Probably the pick of the litter.


I personally know a SCAdian who is a wiccan gorean trekkie into pony play and vampirism.....somehow I think shes compensating...either that or just compleatly greedy....

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 2:23:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

giggles because she just got back from a weekend where she got to spend some amazing time with a real life vampire...who didn't burst into flames tho...maybe she wasn't twue...i wonder what she would have said if i had told her...but wait...i wouldn't have...i would not have been so presumptuous...i have this crazy concept...but i won't go there...
there was one point after midnight...i guess a little over 24 hours ago right now...where she placed a piece of leather that was aprox 10 ft long and 1 ft wide....covered in run pins...and she shared her history with me...and little ole verbose me was speachless...there is nothing you can say to that...just stand strong under that awesome weight and feel the power and responsibility and honor...and try not to blubber like a baby...
check out her online short biography... http://www.iron-rose.com/vijohnson/Biography.htm

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ORIGINAL: camille65

I admit even after reading your link I still don't get what a real live vampire is/does. What kind of power does she have?
I don't gettttttttt it  .


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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

i really hope you were being sarcastic...........lol...

oh oh and i love James Marsters as Spike...but he loses something when he is not being extremely sarcastic with a british accent....and my favorite line by him as Spike is still "ahoy matey, swab my deck" but you had to have seen the episode and heard him say it to get why its so fucking funny...



No, I wasn't being sarcastic. I was unable to answer the question : 'what is a real vampire outside of fiction' from the link.
Why would you think that it was sarcasm?

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 4:58:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		camille, i suppose it depends on the vampire in question.  some do, in fact, drink blood.  i used to make the once a week call for a friend of mine to the butcher shop....a quart of beef blood, so that i could make "blood pudding".  he'd pick it up and consume it, along with one of his friends. 

i know people who are energy vampires....just being around them saps my energy level and hypes them up.  i know it sounds kind of new-agey and silly, but there you go.

Sir feeds on sexual energy, nad blood.  it turns us both on.  we both like it.  i think that's all that really matters, whats between us.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 5:35:12 PM   
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The whole Vampire thing was concisely de-bunked recently by the use of simple math:
 
http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/061025_vampire_debunk.html
 
Shame, really.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 5:54:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: camille65

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

giggles because she just got back from a weekend where she got to spend some amazing time with a real life vampire...who didn't burst into flames tho...maybe she wasn't twue...i wonder what she would have said if i had told her...but wait...i wouldn't have...i would not have been so presumptuous...i have this crazy concept...but i won't go there...
there was one point after midnight...i guess a little over 24 hours ago right now...where she placed a piece of leather that was aprox 10 ft long and 1 ft wide....covered in run pins...and she shared her history with me...and little ole verbose me was speachless...there is nothing you can say to that...just stand strong under that awesome weight and feel the power and responsibility and honor...and try not to blubber like a baby...
check out her online short biography... http://www.iron-rose.com/vijohnson/Biography.htm

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ORIGINAL: camille65

I admit even after reading your link I still don't get what a real live vampire is/does. What kind of power does she have?
I don't gettttttttt it  .


quote:

ORIGINAL: chellekitty

i really hope you were being sarcastic...........lol...



No, I wasn't being sarcastic. I was unable to answer the question : 'what is a real vampire outside of fiction' from the link.
Why would you think that it was sarcasm?


i thought it was sarcasm because the two parts you highlighted were not relevant to eachother...

the power i spoke of was when she shared her history with me....20+ years imersed in the leather community...while coinciding with her vampire-ness...it did not depend on it...the responsibility that some day, if i so choose to carry the traditions on, and learn from the people who lived the past...i too will be able to share my history with some young person...the honor that she shared it with me...not to impress anyone, not because its part of any cerimony, not because she had to for any reason other than if history is not shared it dies....and she felt that i was responsible enough to carry that history...its a very heavy weight...but i would die before i dropped it...


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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 10:04:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ive read the link.
Ive read much on energy transfer and understand some. (pagan)
I acknowledge her status of mother in Wiccan.
I am hag, from the same ethos. maiden, mother, hag. Hag is a honourary title aquired over time, from living the other parts first. And it is given to you by others.

I personally, see her as deluded.

But i wouldnt mind role playing with her for a evening!

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 10:11:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		oi...talk about judging a book by its cover....if Vi Johnson was a book, you just read the back of the book and said you read the whole damn thing and dismissed it...wow...hate to see the scores on your 3rd grade book reviews...

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 11:01:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		yeah, i know its a hasty judgement. Deluded. But i got a snapshot of her views on vampirism.

Ive read much from others. Delusion still stands im afraid.
However.........
I actually love this form of play. I just dont believe the hype.

Im synathesic, i see people in colours. Some say, i see 'auras', to which i reply, bullshit. Each of us have a different belief system. How she describes her own experience is true for her. That is the nature of delusion. Subjective truth.

But for those that experience it, and for her, it works, and THAT is what counts for them, just dont mean jack shit to me.
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/2/2007 11:13:46 PM   
chellekitty


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Status: offline 		thats not how she describes her own experiences....thats a biography....do i really need to define biography? ok...

Main Entry: bi·og·ra·phy
Pronunciation: bI-'ä-gr&-fE also bE-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -phies
Etymology: Late Greek biographia, from Greek bi- + -graphia -graphy
1 : a usually written history of a person's life

you are thinking....

Main Entry: au·to·bi·og·ra·phy
Pronunciation: "o-t&-bI-'ä-gr&-fE, -bE-
Function: noun
: the biography of a person narrated by himself or herself

from http://www.m-w.com


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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/3/2007 3:08:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Blood play is a taboo, as it should be. Playing with blood is serious business, with plenty of risks attached to it (disease transmission, control of bleeding, treating sites and abrasions, general sanitation). I, personally, enjoy it. It has as much or as little to do with BDSM as any fetish activity, and is what you make of it.

Some people are in to the fantasy aspect. I personally enjoy vampire myth and folklore, and whereas I enjoy roleplaying, my leisure fun hasn't crossed over into my kink much if ever in that regard. :) Some, such as myself, enjoy some things that might be lumped into vampiric activies. I dig biting, though I don't bite to bleed. I like ritualistic cutting, I like blood letting, I like blood painting and I like the taste of blood. Really, there isn't much that I don't like about blood, save for the number of hazards (which can be taken into account and reasonably controlled) that accompany it and stand as obstacles to my being able to enjoy it as much as I may like to.

< Message edited by iammachine -- 10/3/2007 3:09:21 AM >

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/3/2007 3:51:24 AM   
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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/17/2007 7:07:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I, too, enjoy blood, biting, drinking, painting... knife play, etc.... I like testing the limits with a monogamous tested partner who can be trusted.  Blood sharing to me is a serious, very special, sacred almost thing... I think if a person does it responsibly it can be very powerful as a bonding & sharing of energy.  It makes sex... intense to say the least.

Anyone reading here have comments on the connectedness that happens between two people who share blood?  It takes things to a different place?  If so, what's your prefered extraction method?  Needle?  Knife? Razorblade? Syringe?  ... If I should post a new thread on that topic please let me know.  If not, I hope to hear other's thoughts.



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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/17/2007 7:51:54 PM   
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Allrighty then... 
 
That is clear as mud.  Are you trying to be mysterious?
 
While I have been around the block a few times...perhaps I've just missed the definition, as it has always been, of what is a vampire.  I have googled a bit...and most of what I found still involves blood and pretty much all the stuff associated with the storybook version.  I did find a couple sites where people are proclaiming to be vampires who are re-defining themselves and beginning a new lifestyle...but they are not yet finished and seem to have no definitions available.  When they do...I guess there will be a new definition, afterall.
 
I did see some stuff regarding psychic vampires... which sounds a lot like some version of chakra work popular since Sanskrit times; so I'm not sure why it would have the word vampire associated with it.  I wonder, would a yogi be a vampire, then?  I have done some reading regarding this kind of energy work...but have never seen the word 'vampire' having anything at all to do with it.  Not that it couldn't, of course...people say lots of stuff.   I'm just sayin.
 
I did find a Vampire Brewery...with several choices from a vineyard Paso Robles, CA...but surely you are not talking about the 'blood of the vine', huh?
 
While it is obvious you must know something I don't, or at least believe you do, I would have to say it shouldn't be a surprise I do not know what the heck you are talking about if it is arcane enough that it's difficult to research through google.
 
Perhaps I should ask if someone else can enlighten me, please.
 
B





*opens closet door, lets the bats out.. and closes closet door* Well now that we have that out of the way...

I have not read the rest of the thread.. but I will address this now anyways.

The modern < and even not so modern> terms for Real, not the Hollywood BS Bella Lagosi type of vampires are thus:
Sang = Those who ingest blood < it need not be alot mind you > to pull the energy/chi/lifeforce form thier donor that gives them the energy they need to go on properly. Full term is Sanguinarians. Then you have the Psi Vamps. They pull thier energy from people directly. some are touch based.. some not. Many wankers in this catogory have given the whole group a bad name, by not getting a donor, but just basicaly sucking a room dry, and leaving every one feeling shitty. ( kinda like my mother in law. She'd do great as one. )

Both types walk in daylight, hold down jobs.. have kids, get married.. do not live forever. However there are many side effects to being a Sang or a Psi ~ working that closely with the basics of life force stuff in general you get spiffy extras.. and some draw backs.. < just like the best of Yogi's would > *chuckles*

As for being D/s related any time you have one who will submit to the will of another esp. in such a sexualy charged situation as biting.. well that sure sounds D/s to me. Some of the best "Donors" are submissives.

I hope this clears up the confusion.. I am going back in my cupboard.

Gwyn 

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/17/2007 8:15:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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LMAO...    too funny
 
B

edited to add the above response was to his post #38.
 
Regarding his post #41; I would say if  "the general understanding I have is that a Vampire, in the modern cult terms, is a person who cannot sustain their own energy and needs to feed off the energy of others."  ...then all the hot, hot, hot for me is gone.  An exchange of energy is one thing, but who wants to carry another?
 
Just my thoughts,
B


Given the explanation given to me by these two individuals, my personal opinion is that its just an excuse to fuck and drink blood.

Maybe its some form of psycho-neurosis-whatever. Maybe some people really do have this kind of problem.

Who knows? I havent been to any Vampire Covens or Vampire Parties so my experience with the "Vampires" are limited.

However, given that in the next breath, she tried to convert me to the Church of Satan, her credibility isnt too strong with me.


*rolls her eyes* Ewwww. icky.

As with any segment of a culture you will have wankers.. extremely bad, horrific... dear Gods why in the fuck do you take up precious space type of wankers.

The Insta-Goth just add black crowd that has plauged well.. everywhere. ( it was novel for about 2 years back in the mid 90's.. it's dead.. let it go alright? )
The I really am a ( fill in the blank.... No limits sub *winces*, greatest lay there ever was, best Dom/me evar... youve all seen them.. they are all wankers.. lets move on shall we? )

In no way does this mean every one is one of these goobers.
I went to a munch where the youngest person (other then myself) was in thier mid 50's. They all looked disinterested or creepy ( no grandpa fetish here... ) and they made no attempt at well anything. Did not make me feel warm and fuzzy about the area, nor the BDSM thing at that point. If all of us were to be judged by the brunt of what folks put on their profiles out front.. holy Hera. We would all be Horny, angry, dont message me, screw off and die, I want to find a sister sub wankers.  

Finding what would be acceptiable to the general man on the street as a vampire, is about as hard as finding a True submissive, or a True Dom/me according to everyones consensus standard. A million people will argue there is no such thing, and about 20 will say there is, they know one or are one.. and the rest will start flaming... simply not worth it.

If someone presents info about it.. take it with a grain of salt do research if you like.. and move on if you lose interest or simply think it is hogwash.

Just because you do not believe a thing does not make it any less real.

Just my 2 ducats.. keep the change.

Gwyn


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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/17/2007 8:21:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

giggles because she just got back from a weekend where she got to spend some amazing time with a real life vampire...who didn't burst into flames tho...maybe she wasn't twue...i wonder what she would have said if i had told her...but wait...i wouldn't have...i would not have been so presumptuous...i have this crazy concept...but i won't go there...
there was one point after midnight...i guess a little over 24 hours ago right now...where she placed a piece of leather that was aprox 10 ft long and 1 ft wide....covered in run pins...and she shared her history with me...and little ole verbose me was speachless...there is nothing you can say to that...just stand strong under that awesome weight and feel the power and responsibility and honor...and try not to blubber like a baby...
check out her online short biography... http://www.iron-rose.com/vijohnson/Biography.htm


Glad you got to spend some time with her.. she sounds right up your alley sweets.

Gwyn

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/17/2007 8:43:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Why not vampires?...We got Wiccans, Druids, SCA, Trekkies, Little girls, Kitten and pony play,  Scat mongers, Goreans....Why the fuck not vampires?   Probably the pick of the litter.


I personally know a SCAdian who is a wiccan gorean trekkie into pony play and vampirism.....somehow I think shes compensating...either that or just compleatly greedy....


Ghita! you promised you wouldnt tell! Gah!!!!

and I am Hindu.. not Wiccan. so there.. and I gave up Gor long time ago... those men are too stuck up to let me use a strap on on most of em..

*giggles*

Gwyn

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/17/2007 8:51:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vampirisim from what I understand is a sub-culture of many cultures including  BDSM.   To say it is BDSM is false. 
It is part of the BDSM society just as FemDom, Gor, Poly and our other subcultures. 
Vampirisim makes for great entertainment in a live sceen.

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/17/2007 8:54:22 PM   
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I, too, enjoy blood, biting, drinking, painting... knife play, etc.... I like testing the limits with a monogamous tested partner who can be trusted.  Blood sharing to me is a serious, very special, sacred almost thing... I think if a person does it responsibly it can be very powerful as a bonding & sharing of energy.  It makes sex... intense to say the least.

Anyone reading here have comments on the connectedness that happens between two people who share blood?  It takes things to a different place?  If so, what's your prefered extraction method?  Needle?  Knife? Razorblade? Syringe?  ... If I should post a new thread on that topic please let me know.  If not, I hope to hear other's thoughts.




With me, and whom I share it with.. it creates a huge connection. Even just the sharing of energy creates a huge connection. If you wish to know more about it indepth I would be happy to respond off list in private emails.. Things that personal in nature I prefer not to toss pearls before swine as it were.

In blood play each has thier own preferred method. What they are comfy with. I am a bit of a maverick as that I use my teeth. I catch hell for it all the time in the community. Those who know me and have seen my bites know they do not infect, and are damn precise. I however do not reconmend this for others. All methods take practice, skill, and a grey's anatomy book wouldnt go amiss. If not using my teeth I use single use sterile scaples. They draw more blood, and make such pretty designs. As for scarring.. it is minimal on my donors.. and mederma is a super scar remover. If you are just starting off a finger poking blood sugar pin is safe, effective.. and totaly doable. It produces very little blood, and doesnt hardly hurt.. no chance in nicking anything serious.

We have had a few threads on blood and sex recently.. so I think that is how this one naturaly developed.. I am glad I didnt have to start it.. *smiles*

Gwyn

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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/20/2007 1:53:38 PM   
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There are two types of Vampirism. The first is a fetish based upon folk lore that people play at. It involves dressing up like a vampire from the movies and role play. It may involve some biting and blood drinking and can be very sexual in nature.

The other form is The Psychic Vampire. Google Michelle Belanger author of the Psychic Vampire Codex or Don Henrie of Mad Mad House fame. A Psychic Vampire is someone who's own body does not generate sufficient life force or energy on their own to sustain them and thus they most obtain it from others, hence the term vampire or vampyre as some prefer. If you have ever been around someone that just seems to suck the life out of you, you have met a psychic vampire. Other people seem to generate an excess of energy and when you meet one of them you tend to feel energized and happy. Some Psychic Vampires can not get enough energy from ambient sources or from energy feeding and thus consume blood and are know as Sanguine.

The relationship between a Vampire and their black swan (energy source) is a power exchange relationship. Dominance and submission play a role in this relationship and thus the Ds aspect of BDSM umbrella applies.

Don Henrie's Site http://www.vampiredon.net/ 
http://thebrgs.homestead.com/mmh_don.html

Michelle Belanger's Site: http://www.michellebelanger.com/

Other sources:
http://vampires.monstrous.com/psychic_vampires.htm

http://www.elftown.com/wiki.html?name=What+is+a+Vampire%3F

http://www.diannelaramee.ca/vampires.htm


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RE: Vampirism:What does it have to do with BDSM? - 10/20/2007 5:51:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		and I am Hindu.. not Wiccan. so there.. and I gave up Gor long time ago... those men are too stuck up to let me use a strap on on most of em..

*giggles*

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