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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:31:17 PM   
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Oh my no...please don't be sorry or anything....its just when i saw that staring back at me in print I went "Holy shit!  It was like a light bulb went on...and I KNEW that is what the "fear" I have in me is from....NOT that Master will "do" anything really...but that "something" will happen. You know...like waiting for the other shoe to fall. I need to figure this out, because I WILL NOT live the rest of my life in fear...I just won't. I CAN'T.

breath as one, (GREAT reflection of the concept by the way!)
The key is not to live the rest of your life in fear its to LIVE! Experience all you can together. The goal is not to let these feeling be a barrier to fun and enjoyment you share but a foundation for fun and enjoyment experienced together.

Coming back from this year's Folsom where we learned an acquaintance who we saw and talked to for the past three years died, we were reminded of the fragile nature of life. Our most recent journal post reflects our feelings, summarized by "Suck the bone from the marrow of life!" The quote is a reference to the movie, "Dead Poets Society"; the more know quote "Carpe Diem!" also serves.  

Obviously there are no teeth in the "you must die first" rule for beth. The reality is it is an illustration of my weakness and cowardliness while as the same time showing my confident believe in beth's strength. Of course she denies that strength as she would argue against my weakness. It's a purely theoretical and unenforceable Master's privilege "rule". Funny - until the superficiality of the words are digested within the context of a relationship.


If you ever face such a situation you may learn that words like "you can't die, I forbid it" offer comfort and courage in the face of extreme adversity.


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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:31:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		so much mumble jumble that you really didn't answer my question per se

keep the long-winded rhetoric for someone who doesn't have a clue

thank you


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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:31:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		With All this talk about rights, what if one wanted the right to not be Happy!  What if one wanted the right to Sad or some other emotion.

Seriously though rights or privelages, whatever label you stick on this.  Be it liberties or freedoms.   Somebody mentioned something about abilitity.  

First and forement, legally we have a measure of rights, liberty or privileges.  Provided to us by the laws of our Country, Region or local we live in.

Now let's examine the food chain here for a moment.   There is reality of formal law governing both the master and slave.   I don't care if a slave has claimed she wavied all her human legal rights on paper or whatever.   It's not changed the law that is governing both the master and slave.   Should the slave decide one day, she wishes to excercise her legal right, it over rides the Masters rules, laws, wishes, wants, demands or whatever label.  Rights or Privilages or Liberties or Freedoms?  Laws or Rules?  Come on here it's basically one in the same.   Sorry folks hate to break it to you, but a Slave in a Master/slave relationship in the United States of America, has the RIGHT (under the law that is more authorative than Masters rules) to get up and walk out the door.   Yes, the reality is that there are those who are actually More Authoritive than Master.  Pretending anything else, is well just living life fully in fantasy and not reality itself.



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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:34:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only right that actually makes any difference to my life is the one I gave M. All other rights are as they were before, I either had them or I didn't ; then and now.

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:38:00 PM   
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...Yes, the reality is that there are those who are actually More Authoritive than Master...


that might be YOUR reality....but not in this slave's relationship.

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:47:18 PM   
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The key is not to live the rest of your life in fear its to LIVE! Experience all you can together. The goal is not to let these feeling be a barrier to fun and enjoyment you share but a foundation for fun and enjoyment experienced together.

You know....If Y'all keep this up I might accidently develop a healthy thought patteren/process or something. Well said...and thanks!


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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:50:15 PM   
Bobkgin


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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

Rights are irrevocable. Privileges can be revoked.


Bob, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this.  Please name me one "right" that anyone has that cannot be taken away in one fashion or another.

As I said above...

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

Unfortunately, that takes us into a philosophical debate over what exactly a "right" is.  All I can say is that in order for a right to be inalienable, it must be acknowledged and respected.   I may say I have the right to live, but if an individual deprives me of my life (murders me), have they not denied me my right?  Does that mean that my "right" was really only a privilege?


Essentially, "rights" and "privileges" differ only in how they are accepted and respected by those around us. 

In other words, those around us are the ones to determine what is a right and what is a privilege.  Our only "right" is to change who we associate with... except in cases where we have no choice (as in being imprisioned).

In which case maybe it's just a privilege, after all. 



I think you are confusing "rights" with "guarantees".

A "right" is something to which you have a just claim, something you may properly claim as due.

As long as your claim is just (no laws broken) you cannot be denied your right.

A criminal act against you does not "revoke" your rights. Such an act contravenes your right, which is why it is criminal.

Rights are not guarantees. They are, however, legitimate claims for a standard of treatment recognized by law.

In a relationship, they can form the basis for all that is built upon them. The individuals involved guarantee that they will respect the rights of the other.

Thus within the relationship, the rights of the slave cannot be revoked by the master without challenging the basis for the relationship.

Bear in mind this does not apply to rights that are re-negotiated within the relationship. It is only addressing unilateral changes instigated by the master.

< Message edited by Bobkgin -- 10/5/2007 12:52:06 PM >

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:50:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

...Yes, the reality is that there are those who are actually More Authoritive than Master...


that might be YOUR reality....but not in this slave's relationship.


Just make certain You and Master never get into trouble and wind up on TV before Judge Judy.  If so make certain, you're aware of the Law of the Land above Masters.  Else you'll might become great entertainment for people to choke on their drinks will watching the show.  A little light hearted humor here.   I'm aware of these things being another reality for some.  Just some people totally loose track of the other real reality.


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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 1:06:38 PM   
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The key is not to live the rest of your life in fear its to LIVE! Experience all you can together. The goal is not to let these feeling be a barrier to fun and enjoyment you share but a foundation for fun and enjoyment experienced together.

You know....If Y'all keep this up I might accidently develop a healthy thought patteren/process or something. Well said...and thanks!

You are most welcome!

Living in reality is a LOT of fun.

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 1:29:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

With All this talk about rights, what if one wanted the right to not be Happy!  What if one wanted the right to Sad or some other emotion.

Seriously though rights or privelages, whatever label you stick on this.  Be it liberties or freedoms.   Somebody mentioned something about abilitity.  

First and forement, legally we have a measure of rights, liberty or privileges.  Provided to us by the laws of our Country, Region or local we live in.

Now let's examine the food chain here for a moment.   There is reality of formal law governing both the master and slave.   I don't care if a slave has claimed she wavied all her human legal rights on paper or whatever.   It's not changed the law that is governing both the master and slave.   Should the slave decide one day, she wishes to excercise her legal right, it over rides the Masters rules, laws, wishes, wants, demands or whatever label.  Rights or Privilages or Liberties or Freedoms?  Laws or Rules?  Come on here it's basically one in the same.   Sorry folks hate to break it to you, but a Slave in a Master/slave relationship in the United States of America, has the RIGHT (under the law that is more authorative than Masters rules) to get up and walk out the door.   Yes, the reality is that there are those who are actually More Authoritive than Master.  Pretending anything else, is well just living life fully in fantasy and not reality itself.


I agree with this.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” – Declaration of Independence

That is why a lot of this is theoretical semantics. Rights, ability to, vows, responsibilities, privileges and what other terms people want to use people in healthy relationships are getting most/enough of their needs and strong desires met. So I have this or can get this taken away semantics is just that because we as human being do as I call the chapter title “one right to leave” but the truth is we enter in these relationships and even the most severe control ones the day to day and long term works because of mutual desire in the way of life and compatibility.

Our rights as free human beings are there in a consensual M/s relationship even if we pretend a dominant has power over them. I do not mean this to be some magical clause that makes all power exchange relationships truly mirages but point out many of our basic rights we think we are giving up we are not, we just happen to pick a person who is strongly aligned, mutually trust and love enough for them not to trample on.

So regardless of the term you want to phrase it, being relatively happy with someone is something that is just has to be present in a healthy relationship and not something another can consciously give away or take from someone and expect to still have a healthy relationship.



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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 1:49:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

I think you are confusing "rights" with "guarantees".


lol... Well, I wasn't confused.

An eloquent explanation, Bob, on the surface.  I do understand the concept that you are trying to elaborate, and do not disagree with the principle.  I would point out however, that in a relationship where "...the individuals involved guarantee that they will respect the rights of the other...", they are making guarantees not establishing rights.  The rights that they are guaranteeing that they will respect have to be first asserted and recognized... whether they are enumerated or not.

But, you are correct in that rights are not guarantees.  Within a relationship, rights are legitimate claims for a standard of treatment.  My point would be, that without the warranty that would create a guarantee, how is a right any different than a privilege?  How is it any less mutable?  Whether legitimately revoked or illegally contravened, the result is the same loss.

I think the confusion lies with people referring to the guarantees in their relationships as rights.

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 1:52:31 PM   
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“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” – Declaration of Independence



Oh well if we are talking legal rights... I and every other sub/slave, who hasn't been imprisoned or lost rights because of other situations, has every right provided to us by the law.

However, while we can not sign those rights away (except in very limited circumstances), we do have the right to not excerise our rights.

Edited for typos.

< Message edited by AquaticSub -- 10/5/2007 1:53:49 PM >

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 1:57:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've always thought of the "warranty" as the trust necessary to make the relationship work.

If a recognized right is contravened, the injured party is within their rights to revoke trust, thus ending the relationship (or at least seriously crippling its potential and future).

Thus it would be in the interest of the guarantor to live up to his/her word and respect the acknowledged right.

But this presupposes such an individual needs that sort of 'threat' hanging over his/her head.

I find love and respect to be far better motivators.


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RE: I have the right!! - 10/5/2007 2:00:31 PM   
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i disagree that a slave automatically has the right to have her needs and major desires fulfilled, unless that was something agreed upon before entering the dynamic.

there is no situation/circumstance in my life which could overrule or supercede my Master's authority. when i learned my maternal grandmother had suddenly died, i asked my Master if he would take me to see my family. He said no, and not more than 5 minutes after hanging up the phone from the conversation where i was told this news, he had me on my knees with my arms bound behind my back sucking his cock. tears fell, i was sad for a bit, but i accepted it and eventually got over it.

a couple of years later, i got word that my grandpa was dying, and asked my Master if he would take me to see him before he died. He said yes to this and had me there the next day...i'll always be grateful for that. because the fact is he can always say no, he does not have to meet my needs or desires or keep me happy. this relationship does not hinge on my (a slave's) happiness and fulfillment.


prop, i think you have one of the most humble souls on this site....but the words i highlighted in red hit me so hard.....they make me want to rescue you-and i know you dont need rescuing.........

i would have left to go to my family-had he chosen to try to stop me, i would have done whatever it took to get out of the house......

i still want to rescue you, please forgive me for that........i know you are content with your lot in life......and may very well have a kind of peace i can only dream of.....but things like that just make me want to scream arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 2:02:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
  • to have this slave's needs met by Master...for as long as He will have her around
  • to do what Master would, on His behalf, should He be physically unable to
  • to beg nicely

this slave does NOT have the right to:
  • privacy
  • die first
  • call the shots




re the green font-i giggled wondering how the hell he gonna punish her if she does that one-lol

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 2:02:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: toservez


“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” – Declaration of Independence



Oh well if we are talking legal rights... I and every other sub/slave, who hasn't been imprisoned or lost rights because of other situations, has every right provided to us by the law.

However, while we can not sign those rights away (except in very limited circumstances), we do have the right to not excerise our rights.

Edited for typos.


For the sake of clarity it should be pointed out that this does not void those rights.

Such a sub/slave can bring an issue to court at a later date claiming forcible confinement, assault with a weapon, etc.

This is what a master risks if he chooses to ignore the legal rights of a sub/slave.


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When all is said and done, what will you regret?

That you never really lived?

Or there was so much living left to do?

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 2:03:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne
re the green font-i giggled wondering how the hell he gonna punish her if she does that one-lol


Valyraen has threatened to raise me from the dead and beat me into a pile of goo if I am so disobedient as to die.

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 2:04:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

For the sake of clarity it should be pointed out that this does not void those rights.

Such a sub/slave can bring an issue to court at a later date claiming forcible confinement, assault with a weapon, etc.

This is what a master risks if he chooses to ignore the legal rights of a sub/slave.



For sake of clarity: Yes.

As long as the statue of limitations hasn't run out.

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 2:04:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
  • to have this slave's needs met by Master...for as long as He will have her around
  • to do what Master would, on His behalf, should He be physically unable to
  • to beg nicely

this slave does NOT have the right to:
  • privacy
  • die first
  • call the shots





re the green font-i giggled wondering how the hell he gonna punish her if she does that one-lol


When it happened to me punishment was the last thing on my mind.


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When all is said and done, what will you regret?

That you never really lived?

Or there was so much living left to do?

For those interested: pics and poetry have been added to my profile.

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 2:08:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
  • to have this slave's needs met by Master...for as long as He will have her around
  • to do what Master would, on His behalf, should He be physically unable to
  • to beg nicely

this slave does NOT have the right to:
  • privacy
  • die first
  • call the shots






re the green font-i giggled wondering how the hell he gonna punish her if she does that one-lol


When it happened to me punishment was the last thing on my mind.



Bob......lighten up buttercup

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