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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 10:14:42 AM

xoxi

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A couple days ago I send a man here a message saying "if I were a better swimmer I would crawl to you" (cuz there's like, an ocean in the way and stuff....)

Should he have replied "don't you dare address me first bitch" and blocked me?

Doesn't seem very productive....IMHO....

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 10:24:34 AM

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xoxoi Yes. He should have, because now you know he's a wanker, and won't be wasting time on him lol.

Seriously though, people like that need to get over themselves and drop the ego.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 10:25:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

In the Leather community a submissive never addresses a Master first as it is considered a insult and a socially unacceptable action. So when the lifestyle world went ONLINE people could not see the individual or see the social markers that denoted a Master or a Slave. The Upper and lower casing of Names, be it in first, second, or third person was an online way to maintain respect and show people who might not know the person if they were a dominant or a submissive.

In SOME Leather communities perhaps...

From my experience with meeting the Trident Knights in Charleston, I can safely say that this protocol isnt followed in the least or any protocols that really create a social heirarchy between Masters and slaves.

I know some Leather folks in Columbia as well that have never mentioned this one to me in our talks about proper etiquette.

In fact, as far as my experiences locally, the only socially unacceptable action I can think of in regards to formalities is not referring to someone by their earned title. This includes titles for slaves/subs as well as Masters/Doms/Tops.

Outside of the High Protocol group that I was invited to join, I cant really think of anything that divides up dominants and submissives with social markers I know besides the titles and the common courtesys like asking a Master permission to hug his property.

As far as the OP, its not something I place any specific focus on in regards to my own personal protocols and preferences, though personally I do capitilize Master/Dom/Top most of the time. I dont care enough to be very consistent with it.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 10:39:16 AM

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What is a conjuntive? Unless you mean conjuntivitus, in that case it's pink eye lol.

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I wouldn't dare speak for every one, about who was taught it or not, but not every one follows the principal. and it's their right not to

See you really shouldn't be starting a sentence with a conjunctive, no no.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 11:02:13 AM

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Please forgive, When I said Leather community I was of course only refering to those I had encountered in the Las Vegas Area and most NLA functions.

Hight Protocol of course also asks a Master to acknowledge a submissive awaiting contact, it is rude for a Master (Earned Title) to ignore a waiting unowned submissive or slave and an owned slave or submissive is usually introduced but the Master.

All that being said I am NOT leather, when I first was introduced to the lifestyle at 16 it was at an NLA Las Vegas Function and that was where my knowledge of High Protocol comes from. Personally I don't care one way or another about other peoples views on what is okay and what is not in the BDSM lifestyle as the only one I follow is my own and if you don't like it then don't let me tie you up is my simple solution.

The only reason I even chimed in what when I saw so many people stating that the capitalization was intened to mean that they were lower beings or it was being said disrespectfully when in reality it was originally used to keep from offending someone and also to allow people to know how to address someone properly.

If you have read my posts I cap strange things, it's just how I type I use the Shift Key like and Exclamation point so who am I to judge.

The point in the Capping of Dominant and submissive concepts was used as a way to show respect when no one could see any more than the words you use.

Hope that clears things up a little.

Sorry

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 11:05:33 AM

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I wholeheartedly agree with capitalization of Dominant pronouns because it shows respect. It puts the sub in his place automatically before he even voices his opinion. he should always be lower case even at the beginning of a sentence. I don't demand this but I DO look for it.

So, a dominant deserves respect, but a submissive doesn't?

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 11:11:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

The only reason I even chimed in what when I saw so many people stating that the capitalization was intened to mean that they were lower beings or it was being said disrespectfully when in reality it was originally used to keep from offending someone and also to allow people to know how to address someone properly.

And my view is that if you don't know.....then 1) take the time to read my profile and you'll get all the information you need. 2) I view that everyone should be addressed politely, which in my view is what is proper, regardless of their orientation. 3) Judging by how many so-call dominants have told me I have to lower case my name because I'm submissive and thus I don't deserve to have my name capitalized.....yeah, many people mean it as "less than".

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 11:14:01 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: MiladyElaine

I wholeheartedly agree with capitalization of Dominant pronouns because it shows respect. It puts the sub in his place automatically before he even voices his opinion. he should always be lower case even at the beginning of a sentence. I don't demand this but I DO look for it.

So, a dominant deserves respect, but a submissive doesn't?

I was just wondering the same thing as well as where the 'place' of complete strangers might be located.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 11:23:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: MiladyElaine

I wholeheartedly agree with capitalization of Dominant pronouns because it shows respect. It puts the sub in his place automatically before he even voices his opinion. he should always be lower case even at the beginning of a sentence. I don't demand this but I DO look for it.

So, a dominant deserves respect, but a submissive doesn't?

I was just wondering the same thing as well as where the 'place' of complete strangers might be located.

Celeste

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 11:25:49 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

And my view is that if you don't know.....then 1) take the time to read my profile and you'll get all the information you need. 2) I view that everyone should be addressed politely, which in my view is what is proper, regardless of their orientation. 3) Judging by how many so-call dominants have told me I have to lower case my name because I'm submissive and thus I don't deserve to have my name capitalized.....yeah, many people mean it as "less than".

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3) Judging by how many so-call dominants have told me I have to lower case my name because I'm submissive and thus I don't deserve to have my name capitalized.....yeah, many people mean it as "less than".

Okay the part that I highlighted I am sorry is just stupid and I would have to call them HNG's anyway. I spent most of my time in Private Rooms on mIRC on the Bondage.com Server so I rarely encountered those kind of tools.

When I use lowercase to speak about my wife is isn't because I think she is lower than be but because I am informing those who don't know either of us that she is also my slave. I see it as a courtsey not an insult. For instance if I were to discuss this post in a different forum I would lowercase your name, not because I think you are a lower creature or person but because that way most would know that it was someone who identifies as a submissive felt this way about the issue.

the simple capping up or capping down of a name can tell someone most of the basics without requiring someone to have to leave and go read a profile and get WAY more information than they wanted when all that was needed was a lowercase letter.

~~~~~~~~ THAT being said I tend not to care one way or another I was simply explaining why it is done today so commonly it was because in the early 80's during the days of the Dal.net servers when the Internet were mostly Buliten Boards and using them was difficult and took lots of time and Profiles didn't exist it helped people know who was what.

Now 27 years later it is going to be difficult to get people to stop doing it as it is common and wht those who came before us did.

That was all I was getting at.

And your Avatar looks Familiar I think I knew you on another Board who knows

Take care

As Always

Steel

< Message edited by SteelofUtah -- 10/6/2007 11:29:07 AM >

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 11:26:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss
What is a conjuntive? Unless you mean conjuntivitus, in that case it's pink eye lol.

A word that joins two parts of a sentence together; and, because, or. etc.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 11:28:28 AM

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It's to my opinion that one who is going to try to tell me how I should type or speak right off the bat... is a waste of my time.

I type and talk the way I want to from the get go. Best they get to know me.. before he tries to to play a game with me. Respect for the dom only comes after he's earned it.....and that includes how I type his name when talking to him on line.. or how I address him in person or on line... and the ones who think a dom gets respect and a sub doesn't... in this ones opinion... is an idiot...

As for the OP... My typing depends on my mood. Some nights my arms are so tired from work ( I spend over 8 hours answering phones and writing... non stop.. no dinner breaks... all meals and etc are done at desk whil working)... I just simply type more lazy like.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 11:33:08 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FullCircle

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss
What is a conjuntive? Unless you mean conjuntivitus, in that case it's pink eye lol.

A word that joins two parts of a sentence together; and, because, or. etc.

I think you mean a conjuction. And I think using them to start sentences is fine in contemporary prose.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 11:43:49 AM

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I think you mean a conjuction. And I think using them to start sentences is fine in contemporary prose.

You say conjuction I say conjunctive that's call the whole thing off.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 11:45:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

I think you mean a conjuction. And I think using them to start sentences is fine in contemporary prose.

And so is ending a sentence with a prepostion! Sometimes, trying to word it otherwise only makes things awkward and confusing in modern usage.

PS-- Wouldn't conjunctive be used to describe the complete clause, i.e., conjunctive clause? Gah... how anal is it to be discussing fine points of grammar and usage on a bdsm message board???

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 11:55:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

OH MY GOD!

Okay sorry guys I am sure I am about to piss a whole bunch of people off and I am sorry in advance but I would like to offer a little back ground as to why it was done in the first place.

In the Leather community a submissive never addresses a Master first as it is considered a insult and a socially unacceptable action. So when the lifestyle world went ONLINE people could not see the individual or see the social markers that denoted a Master or a Slave. The Upper and lower casing of Names, be it in first, second, or third person was an online way to maintain respect and show people who might not know the person if they were a dominant or a submissive.
<snip>

sorry...i just had to cut it off there....

so glad you could speak for the whole leather community...the only time i could possibly think that it would be considered an insult for a submissive to address a Master (and this would be the title given to the individual by the community in a capping ceremony not the "ummmm whats my screen name....MasterUberLordGobblyGook"....Master that i am speaking of...) would be at a pre arranged high protocol dinner or the like where everyone knows, coming into the event the rules of this specific time and location....

just 8 days ago, i was thanked by a man who has 30 years in the leather community, though he identified as a Daddy, not a Master, if you want to insult his integrity i will gladly give you his email so he can have a laugh...but...i was thanked by this man for sitting down next to him durring an event and just talking to him with absolutely no introduction...and i made the first move....because i saved him from having to be overtly rude to a guy that was being overtly rude to him...so are you saying he was wrong by not being insulted by my forwardness? or that i was some how socially unacceptable....

or perhaps you would like to retract your former statement and quantify that with a time and place that a submissive speaking to a Top is "insulting" and "socially unacceptable"?

chelle...leather kitty...House Infernus

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 12:04:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah
but because I am informing those who don't know either of us that she is also my slave.

Why would you need to inform a complete stranger that she's a slave? Since she's not seeking a "d" type, the only reason is for her to be addressed differently. You're singling her out for what she is, rather than who she is.

My personal view is that complete stranger doesn't need to know whether I'm submissive or dominant. From a stranger, I feel that I should be addressed exactly same way in either case....as a human being. If someone has the burning desire to know if I'm submissive they can ask or read my profile. Quite frankly, if someone wants to get to know me, then showing me you can take the two minutes to read and comprehend my profile is a good first step.

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For instance if I were to discuss this post in a different forum I would lowercase your name, not because I think you are a lower creature or person but because that way most would know that it was someone who identifies as a submissive felt this way about the issue.

And personally, I would find a complete stranger deciding what to do with my name insulting.

< Message edited by OsideGirl -- 10/6/2007 12:05:20 PM >

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 12:04:38 PM

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With each increase of font size one uses, it infers an additional level of Rank in the Brotherhood of Masters.

See..

Madrabbit

This properly demonstrates my rank of Grand Pubah.

The same applies in reverse for slaves. The lower the size of the font in the lowercase, the more submissive and close to being a doormat deserving of less respect.

Once again...

madrabbit.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 12:04:41 PM

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It's useful for those people of 80- IQ that just cant figure out who the writer is talking to/about.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 12:15:22 PM

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