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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 3:16:20 PM   
HisCompletely


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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 3:48:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

I only refer to the speed of knowing how one related to this lifestyle in a simple fashion using a Capped letter.
Again, why does it matter to a complete stranger if you're dominant or submissive? The only explaination is that you wish the manner of address to be done based on orientation.

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I think some people see way to far in the way things are typed. it's just a letter!
Yes, it is just a letter. But, the intent is not "just a letter", it's to label someone. I'm not my label.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 5:29:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't much care about the caps issue, except that--as many others have commented--it's difficult to read the cap/slash thing... W/we, U/us, O/ours, and all that rot... er, stuff.

But if a submissive prefers to use a lowercase letter instead of the initial cap on her or his name, I'll use it as a courtesy; I think of it as being similar to a preferred spelling. I also allow--but definitely do not require!--the lowercase first-person pronoun i if a submissive feels strongly about it. A number of submissives have told me it helps them feel their submission more profoundly, and I'm generally in favor of that which strengthens the dynamic.

I do find it presumptuous to cap My, Me, and Mine, but there are a couple of local groups in which I give Dominant an initial cap... so much so, in fact, that it's become a habit. I do it mostly as a nod to my Dominant peers who prefer the caps rot..., er, that is, I mean... stuff.

I think much of this came about as a result of the Internet; in chat rooms and on the BBS, you couldn't tell who was writing, so it became a useful convention for showing who was Dom and who was sub. I think the same thing happened with the word Domme (pronounced "Dom," btw. It irks me no end to hear "Dom-MAY"--okay, okay, now there's gonna be a firestorm. Bring it on.). When these conventions transfered to r/t, the original justifications were forgotten.

My attitude toward these conventions probably arises from the fact that I like a submissive who stands tall and proud, not a worm who crawls to me on his belly, saying that she or he isn't worthy. When a submissive with a healthy sense of self-worth kneels down to kiss my foot, it *means* something.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 5:52:30 PM   
SteelofUtah


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You said it better than I did.

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  My attitude toward these conventions probably arises from the fact that I like a submissive who stands tall and proud, not a worm who crawls to me on his belly, saying that she or he isn't worthy. When a submissive with a healthy sense of self-worth kneels down to kiss my foot, it *means* something.


That was said very elogently as well and I could not agree with you more. I am married to my slave and as my wife and the mother of my son she is the strongest woman I have ever known and this is why I desired her as my slave as well.

Not to Break that strength but because when she surrendered herself to me it was an Honor not and expectation.

Thank you

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 6:05:29 PM   
onmykneesb4Him


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Status: offline 		i'm extremely intelligent, i stand tall and have my own opinions and a healthy amount of self esteem. When i use lower case to refer to myself and uppercase to refer to Sir, it's simply because He wants me to. i really have no preference as far as how others choose to write. Although the W/we stuff is hard for me to read.........hopefully i won't be asked to do that.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 6:10:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: onmykneesb4Him
When i use lower case to refer to myself and uppercase to refer to Sir, it's simply because He wants me to.
In this situation, I'd actually agree with this. Master may refer to me in any way in which he pleases. In that case my, I'd subjugate my will to his regardless of the fact that I think it's silly. That is quite different than strangers doing it and expecting it.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 6:20:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SunnyTawse

I think much of this came about as a result of the Internet; in chat rooms and on the BBS, you couldn't tell who was writing, so it became a useful convention for showing who was Dom and who was sub. I think the same thing happened with the word Domme (pronounced "Dom," btw. It irks me no end to hear "Dom-MAY"--okay, okay, now there's gonna be a firestorm. Bring it on.). When these conventions transfered to r/t, the original justifications were forgotten.



The pronunciation of Domme must be a regional thing, I've never heard it as Dom-may here, although I guess just saying "dom" may be confusing.  For myself, about a decade ago when I got into this as SunnyTawse points out, it was just common to use lower case "i" and lowercase names if you were submissive to determine your role from your name and type.  It's a hard habit to break.  I find the use of W/we O/our annoying as well, and the only real place I'm aware of it being used is in d/s role playing games.
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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 6:36:24 PM   
Missokyst


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Status: offline 		Most of us do capitalize the first letter of a sentence and the word, I.  Why?  Because of years of school have ingrained that into us.  Not capitalizing deliberately as an affectation, is part of some online role.
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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists


This seems rather silly...  Don't capitalize something in text because you don't while speaking.  Then why did you capitalize the first letter of a sentence or the letter "i"?  Do you do that  when you speak?

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 6:36:35 PM   
kyraofMists


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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

Yes, generally I do. Most people do if they stop and listen to themselves and follow the change in tone and cadence. Try it, listen to yourself say "Though it happens, I would never do that" - you should hear the emphasis placed on the start of the sentence and on the I.



Except that when people talk they do not only place emphasis on words that are capitalized.  Speakers make use of cadence, tone and pauses to persuade and sell their audience on their topic.  If they only added emphasis on words that are capitalized in text then it would be a rather monotone speech.  In the public speaking training provided at my job, the teacher had us practice placing emphasis on different words within the speech and discuss how that emphasis impacted the audience.  The fact that a letter was capitalized in text was not the defining criteria for placing emphasis on a word.

Since emphasis is also placed on words that are not capitalized, I don't see how that indicates that a word is capitalized in text.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 6:44:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Most of us do capitalize the first letter of a sentence and the word, I.  Why?  Because of years of school have ingrained that into us.  Not capitalizing deliberately as an affectation, is part of some online role.
Kyst
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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists


This seems rather silly...  Don't capitalize something in text because you don't while speaking.  Then why did you capitalize the first letter of a sentence or the letter "i"?  Do you do that  when you speak?

Knight's Kyra



Yes, I am aware of what the rules of capitalization are as taught by the school systems.  However, I do not recall seeing a rule that said "if you don't capitalize it when you speak then you don't capitalize it when you write it".  Maybe that rule was missing out of the educuation I received in public school, college and graduate school. 

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 7:04:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I have a totally different reason for using caps and small letters - I am both Domme and sub and I use it purely as a convenient tool to indicate which of My "personas" is offering the opinion. If the I and My are capitalised as now, that's Jay talking ... if i am talking about myself like this, that's violet. They don't always agree LOL! Or at very least, they offer different perspectives.

I agree that when overdone it becomes annoying and that it is generally only useful in the incomplete world of written communication. If you were actually talking to Me face to face, you'd KNOW whether you were talking to Jay or violet! But i do use it in my journal for Master so He knows which one of us is writing. And He refers to it if Jay speaks inappropriately to Him (like when i was helping Him pack His car the other day and inadvertently called Him "pet" LMAO!) ... He usually tells me my Capitals are showing!

And I also find bad spelling and poor grammar way more offensive and annoying and am far likely to stop reading that sort of post than one with the odd capital!

Just a different twist ...
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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 7:24:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've already mentioned on another thread that this capitalization business is one of the few things that makes me squick, badly.  I have a rough time using it myself.  However...

Recently, a correspondent went from using normal capitalization and honorifics to "Sir" and "i" with no prompting and no warning.  It just kind of happened.  And I've got to tell you, it came like a punch in the gut.  In a good way.  I haven't called her on it, or acknowledged it in any way, but it hasn't stopped.   And others that have started that way have always been unfailingly polite and worth talking to.

Sum total of all of this meandering thought is.... I tend to like subs that use the caps formalities (haven't run into too many other Dom/mes that insist on it).  And without realizing it, I've started to look for it.  Which is not to say that subs or non-subs with normal writing styles, like mine, bother me--but I've been running into enough ducks that I'm starting to suspect their feathers are waterproof. 

Which is even odder from my perspective, because, I repeat, using caps myself *really* makes me squeamish.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 8:05:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GregariousGreta

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Why did you capitalize the 'd' in D/s if you feel so strongly on the subject?

I'm truly curious as it seems contradictory to the spirit of your OP.

Celeste


It was a typo. :P



Even if it wasn't a typo, it's not really contradictory. Because the term D/s is a contrived term, and doesn't really fit under the normal capitalization and punctuation rules, it doesn't really matter what convention you use for it, you're not going to break normal writing rules and make things hard (not to mention annoying) to read. D/s is actually a very short, convenient abbreviation, which doesn't add unnecessary baggage to the language. In contrast, practices such as improper capitalization of pronouns and the use of third person when referring to oneself, instead of just writing "I" or "me", are distracting and even cartoonish at times, making reading more difficult.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 8:48:18 PM   
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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 9:02:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub


Even if it wasn't a typo, it's not really contradictory.


I will agree to disagree. Since the OP said it was, in fact, a typo, I can only surmise that she, too, thought it was contradictory and if she had not made the error she would have written d/s (or possibily D/S although the former seems to be more in keeping with the OP.)

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/6/2007 9:21:31 PM   
slavegirljoy


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i don't consider it to be a 'formality'.  i consider it to be an
expressive form of writing that, in my case, reveals something
about how i perceive myself, within my M/s relationship. 
 
i perceive myself to be small,
in relation to my Master, who is Big to me, in many ways. 
i express this view, in my informal writing,
by using only lowercase letters when speaking of myself
and using a capital letter when speaking of my Master. 
 
It's not a formality. 
 
It's just how i like to express myself. 
 
Freedom of expression is much more important to me
than following strict rules of grammar, in informal and personal writings. 
Besides, so many rules of grammar are broken on these boards,
that i really don't see why this particular one gets so much attention
and the others go unnoticed.
 
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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/7/2007 9:54:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

Even if it wasn't a typo, it's not really contradictory. Because the term D/s is a contrived term, and doesn't really fit under the normal capitalization and punctuation rules, it doesn't really matter what convention you use for it, you're not going to break normal writing rules and make things hard (not to mention annoying) to read. D/s is actually a very short, convenient abbreviation, which doesn't add unnecessary baggage to the language. In contrast, practices such as improper capitalization of pronouns and the use of third person when referring to oneself, instead of just writing "I" or "me", are distracting and even cartoonish at times, making reading more difficult.


At core, I agree, especially about the term D/s. As written, it's a nice visual representation of the dynamic.

But looking at it from the viewpoint of others who've written here, there is that business about the uppercase/lowercase pronoun variations strengthening the D/s dynamic. I guess what it comes down to for me is that I don't like it, I am not going to demand it, but--as Paradox said--I tend to like the *subs* who use it. (Good point Paradox. I hadn't thought about that before.)

As for the third person references to oneself (this girl, etc.), well... we live in our own little world here. If the Gor folks like to do that, fine with me. I would probably request anyone corresponding with me personally not use that particular convention.

So while I generally agree with hardbodysub, I'm willing to cut some slack in certain instances for others.

Slave joy, your post was hard to read; you might be a sweet girl, very obedient, a joy and a delight to be with, but... your post was hard to read.

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/7/2007 10:20:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GoldStallion

If someone uses a small i instead of I, then my response is to assume that they have very low self esteem -



Wow, that's a pretty big assumption.  lol
 
i don't have a low self-esteem and i choose to use lowercase or caps in anyway i see fit.  i'm not sure why what *others* do bothers some people to the extent it does but they always have the option of skipping over my offending text.
 
Part of the reason i type the way i do is because of my first D/s relationship (real time, NOT cyber) several years ago.  my Dom referred to my name in lowercase and his started with a cap and i was expected to follow suit.  At first, that really bothered me...A LOT...but i did it out of respect for him.  Then i began to accept it, and after that not only expect it, but prefer it.
 
i will say that i've only started using the lowercase i (and capping the first letter in "You") since i found CM.  Before joining this site, i would have never done so because English was always one of my fave classes in school.  Believe it, or not, just because i'm choosing to now use the lowercase i, i'm still no dumb bunny.
 
 

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/7/2007 10:22:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GoldStallion

Well, I assume you mean the American Civil War, where you ungratefully attained independence? The French helped you with that? I didnt know that, but as ever I am not going to let ignorance bar me from having an opinion: typical Gallic obtuseness.

They dont want a fight, but then when they do, its on the wrong side! No wonder they dont capitalise "je"! They are, however, very clear about protecting their language and culture, so its easier to like them than not.


I think you're aiming for the Revolutionary War, not the Civil War.

And as for the French willingness to fight, check out their casualties for WWI.

thornhappy

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RE: Capitalization formalities - 10/7/2007 2:06:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It used to drive me crazy; now, I simply don't like it. It's all right to decap your name to signify being a submissive, I suppose--that doesn't strike me as objectionable. However, using nonstandard capitalization for pronouns drives me nuts, and I encourage friends and playmates to not do it. I call the activity d/s, too.

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