slaverosebeauty
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
..... Thirty-six precent of poll respondents said that they believed in nonconsensual slavery. ....
That doesn't surprise me, I have talked with some Gor fantatics over the years; one person {word used very loosly} to this day will stick in my mind at how 'out there' some people can be in this case, in regards to Gor. He told me that IF I became pregnant and was put on bedrest, he would replace me for that duration an I would be kept in a cage, and that my child would be raised with the 'correct mindset' that men ARE superior to women and that without men, women would not survive; that the 'anti-slavery movement' was an illusion and that their is NO such thing as 'consensual slavery;' that once yuo agree to be a slave, you cease to have any rights. I won't go into what I said, lets put it this way, that troll was put in his place and I have not seen him or his pictures on here since then.
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Looking at a few slavery-related threads, I came across some interesting observations: Slavery might not seem so bad if we did it Roman style rather than American style. Nature approves of slavery. It's a shame we can't have legal ownership of another person here in the U.S. We might be able to update the institution of slavery to make it work for modern times.
So what you are saying is that you WANT oppression, and you want people to be treated like objects, humuliated and dehuminized?! The Romans use to pit slaves against eachother and they would fight to the death, they would be taken from their families; they could also murder your children if you did not obey. Yep, lets go back to THAT.
Amendment 13 - Slavery Abolished. Ratified 12/6/1865. History
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Last time I checked, THAT was still the law.
Ownership is romantcized, not slavery.
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Do our easy use of the word slave, our iconization of slave collars, and our interest (from whatever angle) in dominance and submission blind us to the true horrors of slavery?
For me, a slave collar is equal to a wedding ring, it a bond, hense why I have NEVER been collared; I have been with masters in the past, but never married or collared by them; I set the bar higher. Those who have received or given multiple collars are the ones that take away from what it means and what it symbolizes.
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Are we forgetting that consensual slavery is the exception rather than the rule?
Consensual slavery is LAW. NON-consencual slavery is illegal in the US adn in other parts of they world.
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Does anyone else feel discomfort at sharing language and symbols with one of the great evils of human history?
Evil is what we make it, and if we do not learn from it, then it repeates. I see no discomfort in symbols; symbols ONLY have meaning beause WE put meaning and significance behind them . To one person a cross is just a cross, to another its a sybmol of deep faith. To one a collar is just a piece of jewlery, to another [like myself] its a sign of commitment and trust and love and devotion.
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RE: Do we romanticize slavery? - 
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And there you have it "slaves." You are not what you identify as because someone outside your relationship can't understand. Number one, no one has ever carved into stone that a slave isn't "smart." That's just a ridiculous statement. Secondly, many of us "slaves" use a computer for more than sitting on it 5-7 hours a day sending email or reading CM. Some of us actually us it to make our Master's money. That's a very "slavey" thing to do
. I think you are the one who needs to "get a grip." You are single-handedly attempting to dismiss the relationship dynamics of many, many people all because you can't wrap your mind around what works for them. I don't toss the word "slave" around lightheartedly because I have a grasp on the concept that historical slavery and the slavery dynamic I live in are two very different concepts. I get it, thousands of others get it, see if you can, ok? As far as doing something "productive," you have no idea what I or any other "slave" does. I work full-time helping lots of people, bring a fat paycheck home to Master, keep house, please and serve Him excellently, and many other things. Again, you have spoken on something you have zero clue about and made many assumptions in error. You have your own ideas about a slaves "self-worth" and that's cool. I have mine as well. You've spelled yours out now please read mine. I have intrinsic self-worth that I have always had. Master didn't give it to me or tell me what it is. He enhances it. You obviously don't have any intimate knowledge of the relationships deemed "consensual slavery." I would suggest you go to your computer and use it as an outlet (not for self-esteem) but for learning something. The Slave Register or any of Tanos' sites discuss Internal Enslavement, Consensual Slavery and the like. Take a peek, eh?
..............luci 
. I, as much as anyone alive, oppose such horrors committed upon nonconsensual individuals. Comparing the two uses of "slave" is like comparing apples and oranges. Two very, very different usages of the word in my opinion. Discussion is great and I enjoy it. But I feel a bit unfairly portrayed as someone who does use the term "slave." I hope no one sincerely believes that using it means I think I am in anyway in the same boat as the nonconsensual victims of slavery throughout history and today
....................luci
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