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BOB: I am, in almost every sense, a self-made man. 

I took what my mother gave me and what my studies on being born male had meant for others and like Siddhartha carved my own path through the wilderness of life. 

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ORIGINAL: InnocentYoungSub

Oh lawdy, look at all this drama. 

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Bob entertaining? Well, I somewhat agree, but how in all honesty can anyone find someone entertaining who...

-Continually contradicts his own personal and factual history
-Presents illogical and impractical thesis's on M/S
-Constantly tries to posture himself as an experienced BDSM leader despite the fact that his viewpoints reek of inexperience, stupidity and Internet fantasy clichés that are laughable in any real time experience.
-Supports and broadcasts the "One True Way", creating the misconception for people less experienced than Bob (if that is even possible) that there is in fact some kind of Bible we all adhere to be "true slaves" and "true masters"
-Judges and condemns lifestyle activities based on his own negative assumptions and generalizations with no real experience to support them
-Tries to present the misconception that there is, in fact, standardized definitions and standards for the labels used in individuals relationships
-Tries to reference historical fact that is, in fact, not historical fact in the least regarding the public scene to try and add some kind of creditability to his "One True Way-ism" with made up facts.
-Postures himself as a teacher and expert of BDSM despite the fact that he can provide absolutely no history or connection with any organizations or communities within the public scene.

Can any of us with a conscience truly find such a dangerous individual to be entertaining, given the huge scope of misconceptions and misinformation?

It is no more laughable than the members of the 1000 year old BDSM society of European lineage or the True Old Guard.

However, while these fakes and wannabes usually disappear completely when debunked, this particular individual persists. Perhaps out of loneliness and lack of any personal life? Maybe just spurred on by constant insecurities? Whatever the reasons, we are lucky to have individuals on these forums speaking up and challenging the idiotic pontifications.

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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I dont expect any answers. You will most likely pick one sentence from this post and try and fight back with some comment completely irrelevant to the onslaught of logic and questions. Or perhaps talk over me to the "general audience" in an attempt to defect the blows against your fail ego.

Rabbit, I'm no more responsible for your beliefs than I am responsible for changing them.

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Backing away from a pointless fight, Bob? I dont think so. There is nothing pointless about the questions, questions that should have answers.

... to you, Rabbit.

Which means what to me?

Which means what to those I seek?

It is manifestly obvious that whomever I seek will not be thinking as you do.

I am not, to your amusement, about to go through the archives refuting every misrepresentation that comes along. Why should I waste my time when whomever I seek will do a thorough job of scrutinizing me because it will matter to her to do so?

Rabbit, these are just words. I know who I am, and none of your words changes that.

That you and your friends keep jumping up and down claiming this matters is not my problem.

But I'd be less than honest to say I mind.

Who else around here has 10-15 people tagging along behind him saying 'Look! Look!'?

After all, if I feared the scrutiny, would I be dumb enough to post?

[;)]






Why are you the only one on the Internet who doesnt feel it necessary to defend his written word and provide clarification? What makes you so holy that everyone must simply take what you say at face value and not question it?

There is no backing away from a pointless fight in this thread or any in the past Bob. All I see is you taking the only option you can. Cowardice and retreat in face of challenge to your fraudery and lies.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I personally am welcome to probes

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Sex with Rabbit has always been part of the prize [;)][:D]

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

...what you have failed to notice is that my post, and those of many of the above you mention, did not engage in a personal attack on Bob.  My first post to him was...I thought and according to some of the email I have received, others did also...a differing and well-stated point of view from his "machismo is for the insecure and those males lacking in intelligence and I just don't understand why it appeals to some women...My way of not engaging in male 'rooster' displays is much more culturally refined and indicative of intelligence". 

I am curious, CD.

Is the invention of a quote a "personal attack"?

Do you need to invent quotes that never existed?

Do you prefer to deal with words you wish I'd said, rather than what I've actually said?

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
Either way, you've lost the contest when you issued the challenge.

Wow, and here I thought that these were discussions.....I never realized they were contests. What's the prize?

Maybe a trophy that says "Twue Master" or "Twue slave".

Oh screw that....if there is no chocolate to be had I'm not interested.[;)] Now, if the trophy was filled with chocolate..........

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

Thanks to all who contributed on-topic material for this thread.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

I dont expect any answers. You will most likely pick one sentence from this post and try and fight back with some comment completely irrelevant to the onslaught of logic and questions. Or perhaps talk over me to the "general audience" in an attempt to defect the blows against your fail ego.

Rabbit, I'm no more responsible for your beliefs than I am responsible for changing them.

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Backing away from a pointless fight, Bob? I dont think so. There is nothing pointless about the questions, questions that should have answers.

... to you, Rabbit.

Which means what to me?

Which means what to those I seek?

It is manifestly obvious that whomever I seek will not be thinking as you do.

I am not, to your amusement, about to go through the archives refuting every misrepresentation that comes along. Why should I waste my time when whomever I seek will do a thorough job of scrutinizing me because it will matter to her to do so?

Rabbit, these are just words. I know who I am, and none of your words changes that.

That you and your friends keep jumping up and down claiming this matters is not my problem.

But I'd be less than honest to say I mind.

Who else around here has 10-15 people tagging along behind him saying 'Look! Look!'?

After all, if I feared the scrutiny, would I be dumb enough to post?

[;)]

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Why are you the only one on the Internet who doesnt feel it necessary to defend his written word and provide clarification? What makes you so holy that everyone must simply take what you say at face value and not question it?

There is no backing away from a pointless fight in this thread or any in the past Bob. All I see is you taking the only option you can. Cowardice and retreat in face of challenge to your fraudery and lies.

I can not say I blame you, Bob. To go through the archives and correct every single peice of misinformation, contradiction, and inconsistency would be impossible as there is too many. It is impossible to fix all the flaws and issues in your ficitious representation of yourself that you have created to sway people into beleiving you are some "Prophet" of BDSM.

You dont feel responsible to provide clarification?
You dont feel responsible to respond to very simple and obvious questions?
You dont feel responsible to verify and defend the information you have presented here?

You have pointed out that there is a "general audience" reading these forums, Bob, that goes beyond just me. You claim to speak to this general audience. You claim to speak for the general audience. You claim to be a writer. As a writer, do you not find it important to present legit information to your readers?

You may know you, Bob, but the rest of us dont. What is so wrong with simply asking questions and wanting answers? Do you find yourself to be above answers, above clarification, above verification?

How can anyone take a writer seriously who does not feel the need to defend and clarfiy the things that are written?

I personally am welcome to questions and probes into what I present here. I realize that this is the Internet and no one should take what is written at face value.

It is shame you do not feel the same. Some form of inflated sense of security and not need to prove one's self? Perhaps. A way to cover up and avoid exposure to a fraud and deception? I would say that is most likely.

You say you dont fear the scrutiny, Bob, but you shy away and run away from it constantly

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

Or would you prefer they take your word for it and let you do their thinking for them?