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MadRabbit -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/11/2007 6:53:11 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Since the challenge has been issued, I too can utilize the search function and provide a few quotes.
Bob not ponitificating on these forums and only presenting his opinion? Not posturing himself as an expert and making claims to historical fact that doesnt exist?
Here is a few quotes from one of Bobgkin's first threads on this forum that made quite an impression on me...
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1231931/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
I should be clear that BLANK and BLANK are describing 'textbook' definitions for "slave", and I support those definitions fully. They (unknowingly) and I have been describing the nature of the relationships I seek for my future.
But along my path I've come to recognize that the mental health of some may require outside contacts, and as long as that is under the control of a master, I do not see it being any less an M/s relationship.
I know BLANK has already spoken to you on this by saying he does not consider that an M/s relationship. In a purist sense, he is correct.
In a purist sense, a slave has no other desire or need than to please her master.
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
I'll preface this by saying usage of "slave" and "sub" in the following is according to the original definitions I learned long ago when I was starting out in my craft.
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
When people refuse to use the words as they were defined (and both "sub" and "slave" once had their own meanings), confusion is created.
In the particular case of "sub" and "slave", that confusion was created deliberately.
It was created because the arguments used to be who was more invested in bdsm: the sub or the slave.
Back then, the sub was not 24/7. He/she was a part-timer.
Back then, the slave was 24/7. He/she was a full-timer.
Subs did not like the distinction of being considered "bdsm-lite". They did not like the distinction of being the ones who negotiated each scene, where a slave, once owned, negotiated nothing. They didn't like being accused of topping from the bottom (as each scene could be the last one, thus they had the power to curb a dom who was eager for more).
In other words, subs were not slaves, and for many people were less desirable than slaves.
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
BDSM once had its own dialect.
But not anymore.
References to orginal definitions when he learned his craft?
References to textbook definitions?
References to a period of time when BDSM had its own dialect?
References to historical periods of the BDSM community?
Where are the experiences for these references coming from when Bobgkin has clearly stated....
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ORIGINAL: Bobgkin
Some of us have been too busy living real lives to be screwing around with 'BDSM organizations'
Never once been a part of a BDSM organization or the public scene but yet has references to textbook definitions and historical times of the public scene?
How does he know what things were like "back then" when he was never part of the scene "back then"?
Who taught him this textbook and one true way of slave craft if he was never part of any BDSM or Leather organization to learn it from as if there was a textbook one true way to learn?
Not speaking for anyone but himself? Who are "they" in the third quote, Bob? Are "they" sitting at your computer telling you what to type when you speak for them Bob? How do you know "they" Bob when you have never been part of the public scene to know any "they"? Why do you insist on speaking for groups and people you have never met?
If he had done some research on BDSM and Leather history, he would have discovered that any such textbook definitions or orginal definitions are not historical fact.
There you go, Bob. Proof of your fraud, lies and contradictions through your own projection of your homemade definition as some historical fact that you claimed to experience.
Historical fact that is not historical fact in anyway, but rather a fictionous pontification in your attempt to present yourself as an expert.
Misrepresentation? I am only representing your own words in this post, Bob.
Your right, Merc. This is fun.
Rabbit, I have upon many occassions explained that I've particpated on bdsm boards for some 20 years (not counting the last ten or so).
I fail to see how you are overlooking the connection.
20 years of online experience huh?
Hmm...not counting the last ten..so I assume your Internet exploits began 30 years ago.
You have been participating in Internet boards since 1977? That strikes me as a bit of an odd date for participating in the Internet.
Regardless, such amazing credentials...
You feal qualified to lecture and tell people about what is going on out there in the Scene based on all your years of exposure online?
Perhaps teach someone about using a whip because you roleplayed using one for 20 years in an Internet chatroom?
Perhaps I should teach about surgery after reading a book on it.
That explains a lot as to the inaccurate information you have tried to teach here.
I look forward to your future posts of false authority, deception, and ignorance. More fun for me.
I can assure you the public scene is a lot different then the Internet, Bob.
I hope day you have some contact with it so you may actually know what you are talking about at some point.
P.S. Merc has provided the quotes you have been demanding as a requirement for you to defend your viewpoints. If your not the coward you say you arent, I look forward to reading your reply to his post.
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