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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 10:32:49 AM

mistoferin

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Bob, I'm really glad that you have decided to stay out of the public scene. I really hope that you continue to do so....I'd really hate to see the pool be polluted by you.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 10:36:09 AM

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Where does anyone get their expertise they take what knowledge has been recorded and then they work from there usually taking classes from previous students who have built upon the study.
That is a far cry from the correspondnce course style you advocate.
They don't reinvent the wheel ignoreing the available human resources.
Fakir Mufasa didnt just start peircing his skin and hanging from hooks
He studied and traveled and spoke to people who had knowledge as well as reading available resources.
Would you suggest tht someone today reinvent his work or that they go and see Fakir himslef and boil down the information to accelerate the process that took him decades of study?

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 10:37:25 AM

Bobkgin

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

Ah And now you do it to me as well. CAN you simply read.

Did I say it couldn't be done the other way? No I did not.
You have been found lacking in character again

That would be two people now who are unable to answer the following:

..., how do you think the "experts" learned their skills? From "experts" who came before them?

And what of those older "experts", how did they learn? From "experts" who came before them?

How far back does this unbroken lineage go? And how did the first of the "experts" learn when there were no experts before him/her?

Just can't admit that "experts" start with home-spun bdsm, can you?

Next you'll be telling us of the 1,000 years of unbroken tradition handed down.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 10:39:48 AM

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How did the doctor first learn his trade Bob? Would you suggest that it is better for doctors today to learn it the same way he did....or would you think it might be a better idea if they learned from the experimentation, knowledge and experiences of those who have come before him? Holy shit!

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 10:40:35 AM

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There your question has been answered now answer mine.
Which is likely to teach a person more
1. reading the book and experimenting from there
2. reading the book and talking with the author face to face and experimenting from there?

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 10:45:57 AM

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Bob, have you ever had a real life BDSM experience?

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 10:50:01 AM

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You have been found lacking in character again

Consistent consistency - what more can anyone want from a character. The people involved in the graduate study program which resulted in the creation of CM outdid themselves in this instance. All the trolls previously passing through are but inferior versions of this one. And to think, after coming back from SF I didn't think I'd be posting much at all to CM! High accolades to those great Wizards 'behind the curtain' for keeping it interesting.

Either that is the case, or I'm leaning more and more to the on-line masochist seeking hard core humiliation concept.

In any regard, this pleasurable and fun 'vice' is sure to be subject to taxation from someone very soon.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 10:50:39 AM

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LOL looks silly to have the post accusing me of not answering the question fall right AFTER I answered the question Bob. LOL. Add another piece of evidence that you are the judgemental one, jumping to conclussions quickly and without much thought.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 10:54:27 AM

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Wish I could have made Fulsom Merc, Guess the next chance to meet you would be at SWLC in Phoenix in January unless you intend to make it out to the right coast for an event before that.
Saw your post earlier and was jelouse that you got to spend time with Master Skip, LOL
A man who certainly has alot to teach those of us comming along behind him.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 11:00:01 AM

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I find it really quite sad that someone who admits to be approaching 51 can lack the most basic of comprehension skills. It has been evident on other threads but this is the one that shows that lack more than any other.

Your insecurity shines through with posts like the OP and in your obvious contradictions on many threads. Very sad for a man who claims to be a Dom.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 11:02:26 AM

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Is there really a ONE TRUE WAY of exploring BDSM? Did someone climb Mt. Sinai and come down with the Ten Commandments for BDSM? Last I checked, this community isn't governed by any laws, protocols or governing bodies who will tell me what I should do and how I should do it. No one has the right to tell me my fetishes, desires are wrong and isn't to community standard. If I choose to attend a munch, support group or public scene, that is my right. Does attending these scenes make me less of an advocate or member in this community? Of course not! One person, ideal or laws does not or should not shape this community. What fun would it be if we were relagated to one fetish, one practice in the BDSM community?

Variety, as they say is the spice of life. From my readings on this board and from what I've seen, this community and it's members have vastly different ways of exploring this lifestyle. So what if your "pro-public scening" or not? I for one, embrace individualty and change. This is what makes this lifestyle so beautiful.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 11:03:55 AM

Bobkgin

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

How did the doctor first learn his trade Bob? Would you suggest that it is better for doctors today to learn it the same way he did....or would you think it might be a better idea if they learned from the experimentation, knowledge and experiences of those who have come before him? Holy shit!

You are comparing bdsm practitioners with doctors, now?

We all need a university education to tie a knot?

We all need three years of internship before we can use a whip?

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 11:06:29 AM

Bobkgin

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

Where does anyone get their expertise they take what knowledge has been recorded and then they work from there usually taking classes from previous students who have built upon the study.
That is a far cry from the correspondnce course style you advocate.
They don't reinvent the wheel ignoreing the available human resources.
Fakir Mufasa didnt just start peircing his skin and hanging from hooks
He studied and traveled and spoke to people who had knowledge as well as reading available resources.
Would you suggest tht someone today reinvent his work or that they go and see Fakir himslef and boil down the information to accelerate the process that took him decades of study?

You are still saying "experts" learn from "experts".

How many thousands of years has this been going on, Archer?

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When all is said and done, what will you regret?

That you never really lived?

Or there was so much living left to do?

For those interested: pics and poetry have been added to my profile.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 11:10:16 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

Where does anyone get their expertise they take what knowledge has been recorded and then they work from there usually taking classes from previous students who have built upon the study.
That is a far cry from the correspondnce course style you advocate.
They don't reinvent the wheel ignoreing the available human resources.
Fakir Mufasa didnt just start peircing his skin and hanging from hooks
He studied and traveled and spoke to people who had knowledge as well as reading available resources.
Would you suggest tht someone today reinvent his work or that they go and see Fakir himslef and boil down the information to accelerate the process that took him decades of study?

You are still saying "experts" learn from "experts".

How many thousands of years has this been going on, Archer?

From the sidelines Bob I have to say you are looking more and more foolish every time you keep at this. People are laughing at you. You are making a fool of yourself trying to win this argument - and everyone knows I am not a huge promoter of the "bdsm scene" - but your argument is empty.

Akasha

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 11:11:28 AM

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quote:

That would be two people now who are unable to answer the following:
..., how do you think the "experts" learned their skills? From "experts" who came before them?
And what of those older "experts", how did they learn? From "experts" who came before them?
How far back does this unbroken lineage go? And how did the first of the "experts" learn when there were no experts before him/her?
Just can't admit that "experts" start with home-spun bdsm, can you?

I am NOT an expert. I am a practitioner. I represent no expertise, but I do claim experience and ability. I LIKE BDSM activities. I have the wonderful opportunity to enjoy and engage in them daily. Doing so for the rest of my life, I'd still claim no expertise, only experience. I would only claim the joy of having beth to share them.

An expert isn't required to learn. Often more can be learned from a fool than a genius. Having an absolute example of what not to do provides a good border for a path of your journey.

Have I seen "experts"? Maybe, but amazingly enough the claim never came from the source. I've witness countless displays of the use of a single-tail; a potentially very dangerous 'toy, at 'demonstrations' as well as used in extreme and erotic 'scenes' at public venues. I've gone up to some of the individuals that impressed me and complimented them, and asked for some insight regarding their 'expertise'. In 100% of the cases they all chuckled and said they weren't an expert either. They all said they practice the skill sometimes showing the scars where they hit themselves with a misdirected swing.

Don't be intimidated by "experts". Its rare you will find one claiming absolute expertise. Usually when you do - their expertise is in direct opposition to their boasting.

You claim to be an "expert" - don't you Bob?

Edited to add:

quote:

Wish I could have made Folsom Merc, Guess the next chance to meet you would be at SWLC in Phoenix in January unless you intend to make it out to the right coast for an event before that.
Saw your post earlier and was jealous that you got to spend time with Master Skip, LOL
A man who certainly has alot to teach those of us coming along behind him.

Archer,
I've been trying to create an excuse to go to Phoenix, you may have just provided one. I know we already missed the early registration, but there's still time. There's a good chance we'll be there.

We are Master Skip and Slave Rick 'groupies'. We learn and are moved by every presentation we've been fortunate enough to attend given by them. They are worth the price of admission all by themselves. If there is a standard of integrity in the lifestyle. Master Skip and his "family" represent it. This year we saw them at the 'Fringe' and happened to share a lunch break at the same restaurant on the day of the Street Fair.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 11:12:25 AM

Bobkgin

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quote:

ORIGINAL: licia71

Bob, have you ever had a real life BDSM experience?

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 11:15:27 AM

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Watching this thread, and those of the same vein, remind me of my early hetro married years. Fruitlessly trying to reason with a drunk.

Makes a person wonder.......

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 11:18:27 AM

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The Educational process has been studied for centuries Bob and the prevailing view has remained that face to face learning beats correspondence learning. That is a fact that is so established that it is beyond questioning further.
Nobody said you had to scene in public, but to not avail yourself of the expert knowledge already built is foolish and slows the learning process by magnitudes of 10.

Someone who might fit your idea of "Home Spun" since she started in the scene before the internet bak when there were only insulated communities and Magazine Contact ads. Puts it this way.
I envy this generation of people in the lifestyle, what took me 3 or 4 years to learn through trial and error takes the new person in BDSM today a few weeks or months to learn because there are so many more Books Websites and Hands on Classes available today. They become proficient in a year at things that took several back when we were brving new fronteers and they will epand the knowledge and be saying the same things when they are where I am now.
That the forthcomming generation will be learning things so much faster and be going places we never dreamed of going.

Knowledge is built upon previous people's studies. Todays experts learned from experts before them and them from experts before them Sometimes the experts consulted were not kinky people but rather medical experts, or western Arts Stuntmen, or experts in Electricity but they still consulted the experts and gathered information face to face.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 11:19:37 AM

Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

From the sidelines Bob I have to say you are looking more and more foolish every time you keep at this. People are laughing at you. You are making a fool of yourself trying to win this argument - and everyone knows I am not a huge promoter of the "bdsm scene" - but your argument is empty.

Akasha

I think this is an excellent example of the immaturity and intolerance that exists in the 'community', A.

Is it not strange that it is those who advocate the public scene who are the best and most numerous examples of that behaviour?

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When all is said and done, what will you regret?

That you never really lived?

Or there was so much living left to do?

For those interested: pics and poetry have been added to my profile.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 11:23:08 AM

Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: Archer

The Educational process has been studied for centuries Bob and the prevailing view has remained that face to face learning beats correspondence learning. That is a fact that is so established that it is beyond questioning further.
Nobody said you had to scene in public, but to not avail yourself of the expert knowledge already built is foolish and slows the learning process by magnitudes of 10.

Someone who might fit your idea of "Home Spun" since she started in the scene before the internet bak when there were only insulated communities and Magazine Contact ads. Puts it this way.
I envy this generation of people in the lifestyle, what took me 3 or 4 years to learn through trial and error takes the new person in BDSM today a few weeks or months to learn because there are so many more Books Websites and Hands on Classes available today. They become proficient in a year at things that took several back when we were brving new fronteers and they will epand the knowledge and be saying the same things when they are where I am now.
That the forthcomming generation will be learning things so much faster and be going places we never dreamed of going.

Knowledge is built upon previous people's studies. Todays experts learned from experts before them and them from experts before them Sometimes the experts consulted were not kinky people but rather medical experts, or western Arts Stuntmen, or experts in Electricity but they still consulted the experts and gathered information face to face.

You are still saying "experts" learn from "experts".

How many thousands of years of unbroken tradition do these experts hand down, Archer?

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When all is said and done, what will you regret?

That you never really lived?

Or there was so much living left to do?

For those interested: pics and poetry have been added to my profile.

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