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Bondagenexus -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 3:35:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit I dont know. Some people might want to know how a no limit relationship can function within the scope of sanity and reality with the slave being (and remaining) a fully functional human being. IMHO the slaves who posted here have described functional relationships, even if no one can absolutely state how any relationship really works. I've seen this pattern before, where there is an inherent assumption that a slave offering no limits to her Master is destined for dismemberment. Why would we assume that? Or project that on others? I'm turning myself inside out to find some certainty that a slave offering me no limits would have a fantastic life. It seems some slaves have done so with others and they enjoy their lives. That's what I would project on most any slave who found her One and offered Him no limits.

chellekitty -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 3:47:32 PM)
ok...so Rover says it better but my serious thoughts on the subject...everyone has limits....just because you don't define them expressly doesn't make them not exist....

TotalState -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 3:49:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bondagenexus IMHO the slaves who posted here have described functional relationships, even if no one can absolutely state how any relationship really works. Yes, but...you are the one saying that he'd go over hard limits. Just making a point, for the benefit of anyone who is sitting on the fence.

RCdc -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 3:54:09 PM)
I believe that people simply ignore or do not fully understand that stating there is 'no limits' or they have 'no limts' is an oxymoron. Stating 'No limits' places a limit immediately upon the relationship. It isn't so much 'no limits' - but more limitless? Or even, the exchange of total authority. And maybe it does come across as 'romanticizing' - but so the fuck what? What is so wrong with romantic thoughts and gestures in a BDSM relationship? If people aren't sane enough to understand what people like annabelle and prop are trying to articulate, then its no ones responsibility but those who misunderstand. Just because they are limitless, does not mean they will be abused. It just means that they have found a partner that understands the responsibility and has the manner to carry it off. Castlerealm might want to bring back your lunch, but then, don't shop for it there then. Peace the.dark.

KiandPhoenix -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 3:56:42 PM)
I want to find us a no limits man, and make him have a sex change. Especially one who does not want to be a woman. Then we will dump his ass to go to work for us on the corner, and make him sleep on the porch. When he has made us enough money to buy us a nice house, we will drop him off in the middle of Vegas, and tell him he is dismissed. ~Ki P.S. We will tatoo "Ki and Phoenix" accross is ass first.

RRafe -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 3:57:45 PM)
Let me get this straight. I'll offer a parrallel scenario. Someone gives you a ferrari-it goes 250 miles an hour-you are delighted with it. The first thing you do, is drive it into a wall-and total it. Makes perfect sense, right? This is a bit like the nay sayers keep braying-silly straw man arguments to cover the fear thier lack of understanding brings up. Would any of YOU walk into a running chain saw? Why do you think any bottom would?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 4:21:13 PM)
Sorry :) Work is busy lately. I would just caution the OP to really think about what HE means when he says the word "limits." It's not just kink stuff which has limits. I have a limit on getting water in my ears because I have hearing damage and tubes and really don't want to deal with more infections and surgeries. Trust me, the really important things in life which will make a relationship last the long term, you're never going to find on any bdsm checklist. http://www.collarchat.com/m_1084704/mpage_1/key_limit/tm.htm#1084732 limit or preference http://www.collarchat.com/m_996824/mpage_1/key_limit/tm.htm#996945 question about a no limit slave http://www.collarchat.com/m_986367/mpage_1/key_limit/tm.htm#986884 hard limit http://www.collarchat.com/m_792054/mpage_5/key_limit/tm.htm#828616 Is a limit defined by hard limits or the person you are with? http://www.collarchat.com/m_510343/mpage_1/key_limit/tm.htm#511341 trust and hard limits http://www.collarchat.com/m_362262/mpage_1/key_limit/tm.htm#362419 no limit slaves http://www.collarchat.com/m_305935/mpage_4/key_limit/tm.htm#307016 no limit slaves (2) http://www.collarchat.com/m_194581/mpage_2/key_limit/tm.htm#194950 limits/no limits

BeingChewsie -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 5:45:21 PM)
Quickie reply: Ok... I'll admit it.... I do have limits. I have limits against leaving, hurting or destroying him. They are hard limits. Luckily for me he respects those limits and encourages me to hold steadfast to them. [;)] I think my latte is wearing off...we might need to break out something a tad stronger.

MadRabbit -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 6:36:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle greetings madrabbit, except that you are jumping to the conclusion, in my mind, that choosing not to impose boundaries automatically means that all boundaries will be crossed. i'm sure there are tons of kinds of play we will never get into because he simply doesn't have a preference for it, or perhaps because he hasn't quite mastered the resurrection trick and he prefers live slaves. there are things we have done and probably will do that have made me uncomfortable, have threatened my health/life, have put me in dangerous situations, have scared me. i don't claim not to have boundaries in the sense of not being a human being capable of suffering and dying. but i will not impose boundaries on his ownership of me in light of that. i do not make certain kinds of actions limits simply because they are psychologically or physically traumatizing, and yes, we have done things that are psychologically and physically traumatizing. obviously he cares about me to some degree because i am still here, and i would not have gotten into the relationship with him if we were completely incompatible and i thought i'd hate every minute of it. but as daddysprop mentioned, there are a lot of things that i have been exposed to and a lot of things about him that i learned after he collared me that have changed my perspective a little bit (partly why i don't still subscribe to the "well, i'm no limits because i know he'd never DO it" philosophy). as daddysprop said...there is a certain level of something that is required once you realize that things will change, that the person you are submitting to is not necessarily a static human being, that the things you would never imagine doing might actually be done. she spoke of acceptance; i usually talk about it in terms of faith, and my views are a little bit different (primarily because of his influence and his beliefs about submission). but i think it basically makes a lot of sense. and, uh, i don't make any claims that the relationship is "healthy" or "unhealthy." i like it, it's fulfilling, but my therapist and psychiatrist think i'm a little left of center in the relationship department (and they don't even know the whole story), and as i've said, it is not exactly, physically or psychologically speaking, the poster for health...so...depends on whose definition of healthy we are using. respectfully, annabelle. Then you need to reread my post because we are mincing words. You might want to reread some of the past posts you have made and some of the things you have claimed. Taking on the limits of your Master is not the same as having no limits. Allowing those limits to be pushed and changed isnt the same thing. You got an apple, but want to keep argueing its an orange. I would be interesting in you providing some examples of these things that have put you in physical and psychological danger. I can put someone in danger by putting a knife close to their neck with the risk of an accident happening and cutting an artery. I can cause some minor psychological trauma by pushing past a limit with watersports, but it wont be anything that would qualify as "harm" in the scope of emotional damage. If you want to make the claim that your removal of personal limits with him doesnt come with faith and trust in his benevolance as a human being, then I consider your entering the relationship with him to be a very stupid decision, because in my firm opinion, that faith and trust is what greases the gears of the relationship. If you want to claim that you will not enforce boundaries with him when he is putting you in life threatening harm, then I say we arent in Kansas anymore. (Edited to Add : And so we arent argueing over semantics, when I say "life threatening", I dont mean "walking outside to get the paper and being exposed to the threat of getting hit by a meteor". I mean "If you do this, you are going to die") If it is true, then I consider you to be a dangerous individual and the worst slave to own. It is my firm opinion that anyone will trully do anything with no regard to the amount of harm that comes of them simply for the power trip of another human being is the worst slave to own. People might make the "self sacrifice" arguments in rebuttal to this, but someone who sacrfices their life to save the life of a loved one and someone who lets someone kill them simply because of their Master's whim are not in the same context AT ALL. If someone were to willing allow their Master to drown them in a bathtub for their own pleasyre and try to make it as easy as possible, well...that might sound all wonderful and great in fantasy and romantic land and a really nice ending to a romantic Master and slave fantasy story, but in reality, I call that person the very literal definition of a "doormat". I am glad we have fully left the land of reality and rationality and entered the "No Limits" zone where things that in reality are very negative get narrated and romanticized as something beautiful and glorified.

hisannabelle -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 7:13:44 PM)
greetings madrabbit, i have never claimed not to be a doormat within the context of my own relationship, either. quite frankly, discussing the relative merits of how i choose to live my life with you seems to lead to, well, nothing; you are not interested in listening to what i have to say (although as usual, you are interested in making assumptions and putting words in my mouth), and i am not interested in how you personally feel about the state of my relationship or my sanity. the point of my post originally was just to express my irritation with the fact that you seem to need to reiterate that i am a nutcase after my every single post on this topic, sometimes without even adding anything constructive, so i will just stick to that and in the future avoid dialoguing with you about this at all. the fact is, you do not own me; he does. my relationship with him is fulfilling. it is very clear on SO many levels that you and i would never be compatible, so trust me, you do not have to worry about my particular brand of madness encroaching on your life, nor that you feel i am a "dangerous individual and the worst slave to own." i am glad you feel that you know enough about me to make those kinds of judgments, but i just don't get the point of that, either. to everyone/on the general theme of the topic, one of the things i find interesting about discussing this is that we always talk about the bad things when we talk about "no limits." yes, there are many things that we have done that have been psychologically and physically difficult, and many other things that i would never have considered doing before this relationship that were not traumatizing at all but very fulfilling, and sometimes things that can be traumatizing can also be ultimately fulfilling . i would not be in the relationship in the first place if i were not fulfilled by it in some way; i think it's interesting in the context of "more extreme than thou" (which i think is silly) to note that in general, people tend to automatically jump to the absolute worst possible scenario. another thing i think is interesting (and this goes along with what i was saying in one of the recent labels threads) is that i know where he stands on this, he knows where i stand on it, but it's not something we sit around and discuss like we do here. it's hard for me to articulate a lot of things about our relationship on this forum for that reason, and i will often comment on a topic and stop at a certain level because i don't know how to say something and i don't feel comfortable stumbling through it; it's something i do, something i live, not something we generally sit around talking about with him. obviously i find talking about things here helpful, informative, interesting, etc.; i wouldn't do it if it wasn't. but often when i'm talking about my own relationship and experiences, i do run into that brick wall where articulation is concerned, and i think that has a lot to do with why. just some thoughts. respectfully, annabelle.

MadRabbit -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 7:35:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle greetings madrabbit, i have never claimed not to be a doormat within the context of my own relationship, either. quite frankly, discussing the relative merits of how i choose to live my life with you seems to lead to, well, nothing; you are not interested in listening to what i have to say (although as usual, you are interested in making assumptions and putting words in my mouth), and i am not interested in how you personally feel about the state of my relationship or my sanity. the point of my post originally was just to express my irritation with the fact that you seem to need to reiterate that i am a nutcase after my every single post on this topic, sometimes without even adding anything constructive, so i will just stick to that and in the future avoid dialoguing with you about this at all. the fact is, you do not own me; he does. my relationship with him is fulfilling. it is very clear on SO many levels that you and i would never be compatible, so trust me, you do not have to worry about my particular brand of madness encroaching on your life, nor that you feel i am a "dangerous individual and the worst slave to own." i am glad you feel that you know enough about me to make those kinds of judgments, but i just don't get the point of that, either. First off, I am reading what you are saying and I am trying to understand your relationship, but as I have pointed out in the past, you contradict yourself quite a lot with your own statements. I can pull some of them up if you like. Its not my fault your not making any logical sense. Second, its nothing personal. You've made posts in the past I have agreed with. Third, I'm sorry you dont want to hear my opinions and I am sorry you are getting slightly annoyed, but if you want to make outrageous claims without challenge and rebuttal, get a billboard. You made statements and claims. I provided my viewpoint of those statements. If I am supposed to give your statements some kind of special credenance or agree with you, well....sorry. I'm sorry you dont like it. Now, since you insist on making this personal, dont worry...I am not shedding any tears over us not being together ever. quote: to everyone/on the general theme of the topic, one of the things i find interesting about discussing this is that we always talk about the bad things when we talk about "no limits." yes, there are many things that we have done that have been psychologically and physically difficult, and many other things that i would never have considered doing before this relationship that were not traumatizing at all but very fulfilling, and sometimes things that can be traumatizing can also be ultimately fulfilling . i would not be in the relationship in the first place if i were not fulfilled by it in some way; i think it's interesting in the context of "more extreme than thou" (which i think is silly) to note that in general, people tend to automatically jump to the absolute worst possible scenario. another thing i think is interesting (and this goes along with what i was saying in one of the recent labels threads) is that i know where he stands on this, he knows where i stand on it, but it's not something we sit around and discuss like we do here. it's hard for me to articulate a lot of things about our relationship on this forum for that reason, and i will often comment on a topic and stop at a certain level because i don't know how to say something and i don't feel comfortable stumbling through it; it's something i do, something i live, not something we generally sit around talking about with him. obviously i find talking about things here helpful, informative, interesting, etc.; i wouldn't do it if it wasn't. but often when i'm talking about my own relationship and experiences, i do run into that brick wall where articulation is concerned, and i think that has a lot to do with why. just some thoughts. respectfully, annabelle. In the course of logical discussion, all things have to be considered. If you dont want to talk about the worst possible scenarios, I would suggest not bringing them up and making claims to enduring them. quote: obviously if he were drowning me (and i used this example in the other thread) i would fight back physically because that's what my body is supposed to do, but i would do my damndest not to make it any harder than it has to be. obviously my health causes problems...if he were to want me to kneel for 12 hours, i might be crying in pain about an hour through it but i would do my damndest to stay on my knees. to me it means i actively trust in him and choose not to impose any kinds of limits or boundaries on his ownership of me. i don't consider it romantic; personally, walking off a cliff is not my idea of a good time. if he wanted it, i'd do it, but that doesn't mean i live in some wonderful fantasyland of being a no limits slave. Yet...clearly I am the one off my rocker for not taking you seriously.

hisannabelle -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 8:08:54 PM)
greetings madrabbit, i was not saying that we should avoid talking about them altogether, only that threads like this, and criticisms of it, usually ignore the positive and fulfilling aspects. i should also add that i have never said you are off your rocker, nor have i implied it. i was slightly bothered by the fact that you feel the need to say over and over again that i am crazy; it might be true, i just don't get what value there is in repeating it. but i have not said you are crazy for what you think about my relationship, so please do not put words in my mouth. i also have not insisted on making this personal; you were the one to say that i would be the worst kind of slave. i was simply pointing out that that's fairly immaterial, as i am not (and will not be) your slave. respectfully, annabelle.

lonlyrossInNeed -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 8:16:36 PM)
no limits ok im scared right now really it scares me to think about no limites and that what can happen

NControlofU -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 9:09:43 PM)
Quick Reply My slave has never refused me anything, no matter how much it displeased her. It gives me a great deal of pleasure knowing that she is doing things that she hates just because I tell her to. In my opinion that makes her "no limits" with me. I'm no nut case that is going to fuck her over just because I can. She knows how valuable she is to me, how long it took me to find the slave that would let me do all the sadistic shit I love doing with her and she knows that I am a man of my word and I have given her my word to keep her for the rest of our lives. I plan for our lives to go on for many more years. I have no desire to keep a corpse or a flipped-out basketcase so Im not going to push her over the cliff, either physically or mentally. I am her owner and her protector. Oh I push her. That's one of the great plesures of having a masochist slave who is unoposed to doing or having done to her whatever I want and seeing how far I can take that. But I like my slave being healthy and happy and physically and mentally able to serve me. And, I depend on her to keep me well fed, pampered, happy, and content. I have yet to find out what her limits are and hope I never will. Take that for what its worth. Some scoff at the very thought that anyone can really be a no limits slave. Just because you are someone who can't understand, percieve, or believe something exists, doesn't mean that it doesn't. Your reality is only based on what you have experienced and witnessed firtshand. It isn't based on every relationship out there because you don't have personal, real life knowledge of every relationship out there. If you are someone who chooses to believe that anyone who says they are an unconditional slave, with no limits in her service to her master is a liar or delusional or romaticizing reality thats entirely up to you but it doesn't mean that your right. Go spend a weekend with a "no limits" slave and her Master and see for yourself what their lif is like before you write it off as a bunch of internet BS. If you don't believe its possible then you probably will never have it. But that doesnt mean that no one else has it.

slaveluci -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/16/2007 9:28:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RRafe Would any of YOU walk into a running chain saw? Why do you think any bottom would? Ummmm, because some of them SAY they would? Simple as that. I'm not touching this debate with a ten-foot pole. Been there, done that, not worth the effort. However, just to answer your query.....some people think that because some have stated they would do that and more. That's why[;)].................luci

eyesopened -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/17/2007 1:53:49 AM)
A good example of NO LIMITS, or even Limitless, is the answer to the question "how long can we discuss No Limits?"

missturbation -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/17/2007 6:04:00 AM)
How long is a piece of string? I'm not getting involved in this one this time [:D]

RCdc -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/17/2007 6:07:15 AM)
ooooo.... off topic me - - new photo! Yay yummy you.[:)] Back to the programme now... Peace the.dark.

missturbation -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/17/2007 6:14:14 AM)
Thank you [:D] I had a shoot done about a month back and have just got the results.

daddysprop247 -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/17/2007 7:35:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NControlofU Some scoff at the very thought that anyone can really be a no limits slave. Just because you are someone who can't understand, percieve, or believe something exists, doesn't mean that it doesn't. Your reality is only based on what you have experienced and witnessed firtshand. It isn't based on every relationship out there because you don't have personal, real life knowledge of every relationship out there. If you are someone who chooses to believe that anyone who says they are an unconditional slave, with no limits in her service to her master is a liar or delusional or romaticizing reality thats entirely up to you but it doesn't mean that your right. Go spend a weekend with a "no limits" slave and her Master and see for yourself what their lif is like before you write it off as a bunch of internet BS. If you don't believe its possible then you probably will never have it. But that doesnt mean that no one else has it. well said, but unfortunately it won't be understood or accepted by those who need to absorb it most.

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