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SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 7:40:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

I wish people were able to look at things like this without the fantasy glasses on.

Informed consent is doable-within the law. The slave still has to agree-but cannot agree to cede her rights to an individual-ones guaranteed by the surrounding culture. So "non consent" is both moot-and illegal.

Even if you can get beyond that-the slave still needs to have the will to keep at it-so she consents by doing so.

So we have two things going on here. Either a criminal act.

Or some silly Top,puffing up to try and look bigger-by saying he can get away with doing things like this-and making excuses for something basically immoral.

I'm not buying it either.


It's not moot in a theoretical discussion. Which this is. Something can be practically possible, without it being a good idea to do - unless you want to end up in jail.

Edited to add

In any case, a lot of what is done in the BDSM communities is technally against the laws of the land and rejected by the society and culture we surround ourselves with. We do it anyway. So this entire point is moot.



Rover -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 7:41:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

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How can this be true, when you have previously stated that one of the identifying characteristics of a slave is:


Need and reality are two differnet things, Rover.



As in you need a healthy dose of reality?
 
John



SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 7:47:03 PM)

Very clever, you get a pat on the back *pat pat pat*. 



MadRabbit -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:16:29 PM)

I am still waiting for some sources, articles, studies, credentials, research, anything at all...that helps support this mixture of New Age Psychology and Spirituality with "No limits, no rights" online fantasy.

How about the hard data you used that allowed you to determine and isolate the specific traits of a submissive and slave?

Surely to be able to determine the individual profiles, submissives and slaves had to be interviewed so to determine which traits were the most prevalent in which identity so one can isolate the ones of the natural slave and submisisve?

Do you have any kind of psychology study that was conducted over submissives and slaves in the public scene?

Anything at all that would make me think that the traits you listed were something more substantial than your own projections of your own ideal slave?



RRafe -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:18:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

I wish people were able to look at things like this without the fantasy glasses on.

Informed consent is doable-within the law. The slave still has to agree-but cannot agree to cede her rights to an individual-ones guaranteed by the surrounding culture. So "non consent" is both moot-and illegal.

Even if you can get beyond that-the slave still needs to have the will to keep at it-so she consents by doing so.

So we have two things going on here. Either a criminal act.

Or some silly Top,puffing up to try and look bigger-by saying he can get away with doing things like this-and making excuses for something basically immoral.

I'm not buying it either.


It's not moot in a theoretical discussion. Which this is. Something can be practically possible, without it being a good idea to do - unless you want to end up in jail.

Edited to add

In any case, a lot of what is done in the BDSM communities is technally against the laws of the land and rejected by the society and culture we surround ourselves with. We do it anyway. So this entire point is moot.



You seem to be the moot one-all hot air-no substance.



MadRabbit -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:19:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

quote:

ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

I wish people were able to look at things like this without the fantasy glasses on.

Informed consent is doable-within the law. The slave still has to agree-but cannot agree to cede her rights to an individual-ones guaranteed by the surrounding culture. So "non consent" is both moot-and illegal.

Even if you can get beyond that-the slave still needs to have the will to keep at it-so she consents by doing so.

So we have two things going on here. Either a criminal act.

Or some silly Top,puffing up to try and look bigger-by saying he can get away with doing things like this-and making excuses for something basically immoral.

I'm not buying it either.


It's not moot in a theoretical discussion. Which this is. Something can be practically possible, without it being a good idea to do - unless you want to end up in jail.

Edited to add

In any case, a lot of what is done in the BDSM communities is technally against the laws of the land and rejected by the society and culture we surround ourselves with. We do it anyway. So this entire point is moot.



You seem to be the moot one-all hot air-no substance.


Dont you know, Rrafe? We should already know what his sources and substance is. If we dont know, then we arent enlightened enough to know. If he tells us, he will be spoiling our own individual path of growth.



RRafe -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:21:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

quote:

ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

I wish people were able to look at things like this without the fantasy glasses on.

Informed consent is doable-within the law. The slave still has to agree-but cannot agree to cede her rights to an individual-ones guaranteed by the surrounding culture. So "non consent" is both moot-and illegal.

Even if you can get beyond that-the slave still needs to have the will to keep at it-so she consents by doing so.

So we have two things going on here. Either a criminal act.

Or some silly Top,puffing up to try and look bigger-by saying he can get away with doing things like this-and making excuses for something basically immoral.

I'm not buying it either.


It's not moot in a theoretical discussion. Which this is. Something can be practically possible, without it being a good idea to do - unless you want to end up in jail.

Edited to add

In any case, a lot of what is done in the BDSM communities is technally against the laws of the land and rejected by the society and culture we surround ourselves with. We do it anyway. So this entire point is moot.



You seem to be the moot one-all hot air-no substance.


Dont you know, Rrafe? We should already know what his sources and substance is. If we dont know, then we arent enlightened enough to know. If he tells us, he will be spoiling our own individual path of growth.


In other words, he's blowing smoke out of his ass and playing games over it. Didn't take ten pages to figure that out.[:D]



SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:25:23 PM)

You'll be waiting a long time, you didn't ask nicely.

Yes, I do a lot of interviewing, am currently doing so now. Women can be surprisingly open and pleasing when you ask them questions. I interview more or less every woman I encounter that is open to being interviewed. In person, online, public, private.

I don't really care what you think. I'm merely providing information and insight as I see it. It's entirely up to you whether you want to take all or any of it onboard.




SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:26:37 PM)

I told you, RRafe, I don't smoke.



silkenfire -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:29:33 PM)

First, I don't have time to read the whole thread so I cannot swear that this is even pertinent.

I also realize this is "Ask a Master" but I feel like sharing a totally different view and definition than what I found in the few posts I did skim.

To me, I was broken once. It was emotionally intense. But what I mean by broken is tortured and whipped, etc, to the point of no return. To the point of screaming and crying out and tears running down my face. The ultimate giving in until it could not go any further. That whipping that just goes so much farther than anything else and truly shows that side of me that was submitting to Him. I was emotionally myself. But I was then *His* and will always have a soft spot for him because of what he made me, even though it was long ago and we have both moved on. When someone says breaking a sub, that's what I think of-- and it's a happy memory.



RRafe -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:31:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

I told you, RRafe, I don't smoke.


You know, this is really a waste of time-I should know better by now. What you don't do-is make any sense. I think my time would be better spent talking with people who DO.



RRafe -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:32:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: silkenfire

First, I don't have time to read the whole thread so I cannot swear that this is even pertinent.

I also realize this is "Ask a Master" but I feel like sharing a totally different view and definition than what I found in the few posts I did skim.

To me, I was broken once. It was emotionally intense. But what I mean by broken is tortured and whipped, etc, to the point of no return. To the point of screaming and crying out and tears running down my face. The ultimate giving in until it could not go any further. That whipping that just goes so much farther than anything else and truly shows that side of me that was submitting to Him. I was emotionally myself. But I was then *His* and will always have a soft spot for him because of what he made me, even though it was long ago and we have both moved on. When someone says breaking a sub, that's what I think of-- and it's a happy memory.


Now THIS interests me. Was something let go-or gained?

Or both?



SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:36:24 PM)

No, I just enjoy making flippant responses to pointless insults. Your thoughts are your own, they neither define nor concern me. 



SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:37:54 PM)

And now he's actually interested in "breaking" - since someone comes forward who talks about it. Theories and reality collide. Oh my!



RRafe -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:38:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

No, I just enjoy making flippant responses to pointless insults. Your thoughts are your own, they neither define nor concern me. 


Won't be a further issue-welcome to my block list.



Rover -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:39:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

Yes, I do a lot of interviewing, am currently doing so now. Women can be surprisingly open and pleasing when you ask them questions. I interview more or less every woman I encounter that is open to being interviewed. In person, online, public, private.


Are you also a statistician, trained in how to construct statistical research that yields reliable results?  Or is this like asking... "What are you wearing right now?"
 
John



MadRabbit -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:40:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

You'll be waiting a long time, you didn't ask nicely.


My bad. I didnt realize begging and pleading was required for you to provide some kind of integrity and intellectual honesty behind everything you have written here today.

quote:

ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster
Yes, I do a lot of interviewing, am currently doing so now. Women can be surprisingly open and pleasing when you ask them questions. I interview more or less every woman I encounter that is open to being interviewed. In person, online, public, private.

I don't really care what you think. I'm merely providing information and insight as I see it. It's entirely up to you whether you want to take all or any of it onboard.



Thank you. As long as we are clear at this point that this is your own personal conjecture based on your own private interviews and nothing more.




SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:42:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

quote:

ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

Yes, I do a lot of interviewing, am currently doing so now. Women can be surprisingly open and pleasing when you ask them questions. I interview more or less every woman I encounter that is open to being interviewed. In person, online, public, private.


Are you also a statistician, trained in how to construct statistical research that yields reliable results?  Or is this like asking... "What are you wearing right now?"
 
John


I've done courses in discrete mathemetics, statistics and probability through university.



SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:43:54 PM)

Nah, see , earlier I would have been much more happy provide copies from my records, now you have to ask extra extra nicely. Even then, I don't think I will. 



silkenfire -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:45:51 PM)

I'm not sure what you mean by

quote:

Was something let go-or gained?


silk



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