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Rover -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:52:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster Yes, I do a lot of interviewing, am currently doing so now. Women can be surprisingly open and pleasing when you ask them questions. I interview more or less every woman I encounter that is open to being interviewed. In person, online, public, private. Are you also a statistician, trained in how to construct statistical research that yields reliable results? Or is this like asking... "What are you wearing right now?" John I've done courses in discrete mathemetics, statistics and probability through university. That wasn't the question. I've done courses in statistics, psychology and a few other things I'm not qualified in. "Doing courses" does not make one qualified. For that people actually get degrees, rather than taking an elective to fill out a schedule. Bottom line, you are not qualified. John

RRafe -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:52:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: silkenfire I'm not sure what you mean by quote: Was something let go-or gained? silk Something changed after-what?

NControlofU -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:54:47 PM)
I don't call this breaking a sub. I call this a good time on any given day in the life of me and my slave. It looks like you did return at some point or you woulnt be here now writing about your experience. And you did move on. You were still emotionally yourself and you have a happy memory of the event. So what about you was broken by being whipped and tortured to the point of screming and crying out and tears running down your face? Shit, if my slave was broken just by crying and screaming she would be broken several times a week. Guess we have a differnt idea of what being broken is. quote: ORIGINAL: silkenfire To me, I was broken once. It was emotionally intense. But what I mean by broken is tortured and whipped, etc, to the point of no return. To the point of screaming and crying out and tears running down my face. The ultimate giving in until it could not go any further. That whipping that just goes so much farther than anything else and truly shows that side of me that was submitting to Him. I was emotionally myself. But I was then His and will always have a soft spot for him because of what he made me, even though it was long ago and we have both moved on. When someone says breaking a sub, that's what I think of-- and it's a happy memory.

SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:56:33 PM)
Sure. Out of curiousity did you attend a university of BDSM and Leather, or are you unqualified to talk about that too? Edited to add: It was the question, perhaps you meant to ask if I was professionally acredited? quote: Are you also a statistician, trained in how to construct statistical research that yields reliable results? Or is this like asking... "What are you wearing right now?" As yes, I have been trained in how to construct statistical research that yeilds reliable results.

RRafe -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 8:57:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NControlofU I don't call this breaking a sub. I call this a good time on any given day in the life of me and my slave. It looks like you did return at some point or you woulnt be here now writing about your experience. And you did move on. You were still emotionally yourself and you have a happy memory of the event. So what about you was broken by being whipped and tortured to the point of screming and crying out and tears running down your face? Shit, if my slave was broken just by crying and screaming she would be broken several times a week. Guess we have a differnt idea of what being broken is. quote: ORIGINAL: silkenfire To me, I was broken once. It was emotionally intense. But what I mean by broken is tortured and whipped, etc, to the point of no return. To the point of screaming and crying out and tears running down my face. The ultimate giving in until it could not go any further. That whipping that just goes so much farther than anything else and truly shows that side of me that was submitting to Him. I was emotionally myself. But I was then His and will always have a soft spot for him because of what he made me, even though it was long ago and we have both moved on. When someone says breaking a sub, that's what I think of-- and it's a happy memory. Yes. To me, breaking implies breaking through-something. Not just a brief session of emotional intensity. So if there was no lasting effect-what changed?

SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:00:13 PM)
I'd say from her post that there was a lasting effect. quote: But I was then His and will always have a soft spot for him because of what he made me I wouldn't say it was a complete breaking, but it was a definite letting go and yeilding of the will. Edited to add: What is being broken here is resistance.

RRafe -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:02:02 PM)
ignores the arguing tops,and waits for the person of interest to reply.

Rover -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:02:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster Sure. Out of curiousity did you attend a university of BDSM and Leather, or are you unqualified to talk about that too? I am unqualified to be the source on BDSM or Leather for anyone other than myself and anyone I may own. Beyond that, I am qualified to offer an opinion like anyone else. And when I make statements of fact, I had better be able to cite my sources, precisely because I am not qualified on my own. John

SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:03:42 PM)
Then All's well and good.

MadRabbit -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:05:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster Sure. Out of curiousity did you attend a university of BDSM and Leather, or are you unqualified to talk about that too? Actually, Rover is one of the few people on here who's words I trust since we know some of the same people in the local scene. He has carried himself with a lot of integrity and has a wealth of personal knowledge that is actually creditable. Anytime I have a disagreement or a question, I get an answer or response or clarification. There is no "You should already know this", "Look, you are wasting my time because I am too smart to defend to my own theory", and dodging of questions involving credentials or sources.

Rover -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:07:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster Then All's well and good. No, all is not well and good. Because you are not qualified in psychology or statistics, yet continually present yourself as if you were. In fact, you're not qualified in any of the areas in which you have summoned up so much hot air. And to top it all off, you do not cite your factual sources despite repeated requests that you do so. John

SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:07:31 PM)
Not dodging the question, simply questioning the relevance and point of it. I don't need to be an acredited professional to be able to perform sound statistical analysis or to understand distributions and such. You don't need to be an acredited professional in order to engage in safe and sane play in whatever scene, session or venue you choose.

SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:17:20 PM)
I have never presented that I am a qualified psychologist, in fact, I've specifically pointed out that I'm not. I've also never presented that I'm a certified statistician, and when asked, told you exactly the training that I have had in the matter. I've continually pointed out that these are my theories, that they have been constructed through my research, over a number of years, pulling on a variety of resources including books on various topics of sexuality, and pyschology, interviews with people involved in the scene and long term consideration of that information. I have also pointed out over, and over, that noone is obligated in any way to believe or accept anything that I've stated. If you don't choose to, don't.If it doesn't work, or doesn't make sense to you, then don't. This protacted back and forth has been enlightening, and I've interviewed additional women as a result of it, but in terms of the discussion has been fruitless and without point, since your entire intent seems to be to disabuse me of the validity of my own evidence, by the sheer force of your will and refutation alone - something that you will not do. Like I said, you're wasting my time, it just suits my prefence at this point to allow you to do so. Once the silver linings from this convesation have been absorbed, and providing it hasn't ended before hand. I will end it.

Rover -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:18:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster Not dodging the question, simply questioning the relevance and point of it. I don't need to be an acredited professional to be able to perform sound statistical analysis or to understand distributions and such. You don't need to be an acredited professional in order to engage in safe and sane play in whatever scene, session or venue you choose. Dude, you're 32 years old and claim to be competently self trained in psychology and statistics and to have taken a few university level courses, and neither of these expansive and detailed fields was your major or profession. Do you know how silly that sounds? And what disciplines did you become proficient in after you finished with lunch? Astrophysics before dinner? John

MadRabbit -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:19:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster Not dodging the question, simply questioning the relevance and point of it. I don't need to be an acredited professional to be able to perform sound statistical analysis or to understand distributions and such. You don't need to be an acredited professional in order to engage in safe and sane play in whatever scene, session or venue you choose. And if you were to make factual comments on the Internet about safe and sane play without anykind of acrediation, I would expect some kind of creditable source for your factual information if asked. Otherwise, your are lacking in integrity and completely intellectually dishonest. Much like you have presented yourself here. Either A) Too proud and arrogant to grasp the fact that you have to actually validate your brilliance or B) blowing smoke up everyone's ass in an attempt to troll for chicks

SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:21:31 PM)
I've tried quantum mechanics, but you know, those photons just won't do what I tell them to. Must be something I'm missing. If you're curious, my degree is in software engineering, my major is in intelligent agent design and expert systems. Originally I intended to complete a dual degree with a second in applied mathematics, but once we hit partial differential equations it started to drain too much time and energy from my SE studies. Edited to add: ing

MadRabbit -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:22:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster I have never presented that I am a qualified psychologist, in fact, I've specifically pointed out that I'm not. I've also never presented that I'm a certified statistician, and when asked, told you exactly the training that I have had in the matter. I've continually pointed out that these are my theories, that they have been constructed through my research, over a number of years, pulling on a variety of resources including books on various topics of sexuality, and pyschology, interviews with people involved in the scene and long term consideration of that information. I have also pointed out over, and over, that noone is obligated in any way to believe or accept anything that I've stated. If you don't choose to, don't.If it doesn't work, or doesn't make sense to you, then don't. This protacted back and forth has been enlightening, and I've interviewed additional women as a result of it, but in terms of the discussion has been fruitless and without point, since your entire intent seems to be to disabuse me of the validity of my own evidence, by the sheer force of your will and refutation alone - something that you will not do. Like I said, you're wasting my time, it just suits my prefence at this point to allow you to do so. Once the silver linings from this convesation have been absorbed, and providing it hasn't ended before hand. I will end it. Lol...what books? What articles? Give us names and titles so we can check them out. Wasting your time? 10 pages and not a single title, link to a website, or name of an article? And WE'RE wasting YOUR time? As if somehow asking you to validate your information and provide sources for the sake of integrity was a waste of time...

Rover -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:23:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster This protacted back and forth has been enlightening, and I've interviewed additional women as a result of it, but in terms of the discussion has been fruitless and without point, since your entire intent seems to be to disabuse me of the validity of my own evidence, by the sheer force of your will and refutation alone - something that you will not do. Ok, Mr. Statistician... allow me to point out that this is the internet. I'll bet dollars to donuts that you have no concrete evidence that the "women" you interviewed were even women. You portray this stuff as if it has any legitimacy or credibility whatsoever. But the truth is you don't even know who you're talking to, whether they're male or female, Top or bottom, Dominant or submissive, lifestyle or vanilla, lying or truthful.... there's no validity to any of this "data" you're collecting. It's kind of like a computer program.... garbage in, garbage out. John

MadRabbit -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:26:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster This protacted back and forth has been enlightening, and I've interviewed additional women as a result of it, but in terms of the discussion has been fruitless and without point, since your entire intent seems to be to disabuse me of the validity of my own evidence, by the sheer force of your will and refutation alone - something that you will not do. Ok, Mr. Statistician... allow me to point out that this is the internet. I'll bet dollars to donuts that you have no concrete evidence that the "women" you interviewed were even women. You portray this stuff as if it has any legitimacy or credibility whatsoever. But the truth is you don't even know who you're talking to, whether they're male or female, Top or bottom, Dominant or submissive, lifestyle or vanilla, lying or truthful.... there's no validity to any of this "data" you're collecting. It's kind of like a computer program.... garbage in, garbage out. John I wonder if this is an example of the training he got on how to collect "reliable" information

SixFootMaster -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/25/2007 9:34:05 PM)
Ahh, well I'm so very sorry, but I do most of my studies in libraries, rather than expending funds on my own copies, and quite frankly, I remember very few specific authors. I did mention Wilhelm Stekel, for his work on sadism and masochism, since that one is relatively fresh in my memory. Likewise, I don't keep a long list of links and addresses of all the articles and papers I've read, so asking for such is fruitless. I read, identify the salient points, reread for clarity, take any notes I feel are useful, and move on. As for records of interviews, sorry, but without specific permission from the authors, thats off the clock. I'll ask the two ladies I'm talking to at the moment, and if they agree, forward you a copy of the notes, privately (email prefered).

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