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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 11:43:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's why I asked the question, there simply isn't a culture that is the exact opposite of U.S. values. But, manliness and femininity are not the same across all cultures, still giving rise to multiple gender roles. Masculinity and Feminity is not the same across all of humanity, making both very ambiguous.

And before you compare a mutation to Down's Syndrome (I do not agree with your views, just want to point something out), remember that not all mutations are inherently bad. Blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin, body shapes, different nose shapes, height, latcose tolerance, genes to digest starch, and heck, anything that separates us from the common ancestor with chimpanzees is a mutation.  Obviously, some were good otherwise we'd all die and there wouldn't be different species. Some suck. Others are VITAL to what a species, such as humans, are. Therefore, I would say picking Down's Syndrome, which is a disease, is not the best example.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 11:47:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		True, but I would imagine if the entire population were not only born homosexual but chose to act solely on those impulses our species would die out within a generation.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 2:04:33 PM   
Rule


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Status: offline 		Nobody knows the biological cause of homosexuality. It is known that homosexual men have a structure in the brain that is more developed than in heterosexual men.
 
In any case there are many genetic diseases that occur in different frequencies in the various populations. Some are beneficial and occur at a very high frequency in the populations - such as sickle cell anemia in Africa in areas where there is much malaria, even though all that are homozygotic for the mutation die at an early age in childhood - others are very detrimental and occur at a very low frequency in the populations, such as in one in ten thousand individuals. Thus from the high and low frequencies of the mutant alleles genetics may predict whether the mutation is beneficial or detrimental - this of course as a result of natural selection, which weeds out the detrimental mutations.
 
I do not know if I recall correctly, but I once looked at those frequencies and I think that I concluded that the cut off point was at a frequency of one in a thousand individuals. Anything at a lower frequency must be considered detrimental, anything at a higher frequency might be beneficial or not be very detrimental.
 
The homosexual inclination in the populations is so very high that genetics and evolution theory predict that homosexuality benefits the populations in a major way.
 
A friend of mine - murdered some years ago by his husband and master - was homosexual. He was a good guy, being a transformed slave. He always felt uncomfortable when we heterosexual men were discussing women, but he adored them as the mothers that perpetuate our species.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 2:17:00 PM   
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Nobody knows the biological cause of homosexuality. It is known that homosexual men have a structure in the brain that is more developed than in heterosexual men.


Source please.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 2:19:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Homosexuality also doesn't prevent you from making kids. I read a story, a long long time ago, about a gay man and a lesbian that decided to have a kid together and raise her with their partners. So gay people are quite capable of having kids, therefore passing on the genes.

(Through I heard a rumor that it is believed that the gene influences fertility in family members, but I can't remember where.)

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 2:22:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think when you try to force ALL people to live a certain way you are going to have a lot of the same problems as you have today ie patriarch society. As far as I am concerned, women nor men were meant to be supreme Masters/Mistresses of the Earth. People were meant to live with equal rights as human beings should. However that has been so perverted and served up as "tradition" that humans have a difficult time imagining what the world would be like if everyone could live the way that they wanted instead of the way society says we should.
Would I want the entire world living in a femdom relationship such as myself? No, I want people to do what is best for them without them shoving their beliefs onto me and my lifestyle. Unfortunately in the world today not many people believe in "live and let live" they believe in "do it my way or perish". It is very sad and I hope eventually the human race evolves enough past this "my way or the highway" mentality to form a more utopian equality based society.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 2:31:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RosesHaveThorns

Homosexuality also doesn't prevent you from making kids. I read a story, a long long time ago, about a gay man and a lesbian that decided to have a kid together and raise her with their partners. So gay people are quite capable of having kids, therefore passing on the genes.

(Through I heard a rumor that it is believed that the gene influences fertility in family members, but I can't remember where.)



That is why I specified that not only would the entire population be homosexual but also that they would choose to act solely on those desires.  IE no heterosexual relations.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 2:33:33 PM   
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Sexist? Possible, I suppose.

Why? Because women are in general more naturally manipulative than men? Take every bad thing you know about GWB, and create a female version, and tell me which would you rather, through your understanding of men and women.

And yes, it has been my experience that when women in power or authority work with other women in power and authority, personality clashes become more significant and adverse, than when the same happens with men. If a woman is in power and authority, I think it would be best to have men working under her, and to have that layer between interaction with other women in power and authority. *shrugs*

Actually, hermione raises an interesting question, but I'll save that for another post to keep the two issues separate.


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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 2:35:03 PM   
Rule


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ORIGINAL: Raechard
Source please.

I am sorry, Raechard. I recall that it was the result of research done here in The Netherlands, perhaps in the Brain Institute in Amsterdam, but it may have been twenty years or longer ago that it was done and that I read about it. The discovery was all over the front pages of just about every newspaper in the country at the time.
 
I am a bit tired at the moment. However, just a couple of moments ago I googled the combination "homosexual brain netherlands structure" and got 457000 hits and the first page of those hits looks very promising. So have a go at it yourself. You might add "references summary" to the search command to increase the change that pertinent science articles turn up. It might very well be that with very little effort within a couple of minutes you will find the original article.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 2:41:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Leadership is not a quality that is exclusive to dominant people. I think this first should set out clearly. Leadership is not dominance and dominance is not leadership.

Now, roles in public offices, from mayor to govenor to president, are roles that are in SERVICE to the people. Don't we require that these people put the welfare of their constituents, and of their nation ahead of their own petty ideals and desires?

Of course we do.

Now who better to serve in such rolls (again, "serve") than submissives? Being submissive doesn't imply being weak, unintelligent, or lacking in capability or competency - and why do we act like it does. The best people to lead the country are those driven by their nature to make the best servants of humanity. Even from a religious standpoint, Jesus said he who would be highest, must be the lowest, he who would lead must serve.

Politics is about tact, diplomacy, and cooperation - all areas that submissives generally strive to excel at. Likewise public office is in service to the community, attending to the needs of the community, and I think submissives are especially suited to such a roll.

Perhaps the meek really should inherit the earth?

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 2:45:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remake the world in my idea of perfection? No thanks, and no need. We live in a sea of diversity, and we now have some wonderful tools that allow you to find, contact, and build relationships with people who share your idea of "eros" no matter how exotic it may be. To me, this is pretty damn wonderful.

Sure, the world is filled with nasty crap. Most of the nasties are one form of religion or another. Each saying that we all have to change the world to suit their idea of perfection. So, hang the gays, burn the witches, enforce racial purity... only men can be dominant... (here's your burka, or bunny fur bikini) sex is only for procreation, follow the comet, follow the volcano God Xenu, follow Christ when he says stone anyone with a desire different than that of his televised spokespeople... take your pick of insane, unsupportable ideas. We got millions of 'em!

So really, the problem seems to be the desire to change the world to one idea or another.

David Gerrold, the science fiction writer, once said that the problem with Christianity and Comunisim is the capital "C." When people put that capital "C" in front of those words, suddenly they are demanding your compliance, instead of merely asking for it. You could say the same about a lot of other words too. Once again, we are talking about "the one true way" syndrome. A social illness that keeps coming back, like a plauge, spread by rats. 

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 2:47:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I don't think I would select one gender over another. 

But for other generalities, how about an IQ above 130 and no relatives, living or dead, that are/were politicians? 

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 2:51:43 PM   
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... follow Christ when he says stone anyone with a desire different than that of his televised spokespeople... .


Sorry, I know this is an off-topic quibble, but lines like that drive me nuts.  Christ actually said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 2:59:20 PM   
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... follow Christ when he says stone anyone with a desire different than that of his televised spokespeople... .


Sorry, I know this is an off-topic quibble, but lines like that drive me nuts.  Christ actually said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."


Er...I think he was being facetious...

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 3:01:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wait, I think I already read this somewhere.. Oh yes.  The world as written by John Norman. 

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 3:04:13 PM   
Rule


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Status: offline 		That is an excellent post, SFM. Again you impress me. Unfortunately the reality is not quite like that.
 
Do you know that you are describing me? I am not very dominant, nor submissive. In fact I suspect that I am at exactly half of the spectrum from extremely dominant to extremely submissive. I am actually fit to lead, but not quite fit to rule; I would delegate that bother to those who are - truly dominant and (potentially) very evil people - provided they obey me and attend to me.
 
My given first name happens to translate as "gifted leader of the people".

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 3:05:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		At least get your characters right.

Christ never said anything in support of stoning - he preached meekness, tolerance, humility, compassion for your fellow man, generosity, forgiveness. There's your insane and unsupportable notions for you.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 3:07:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, Rule, but I have to give the credit to hermione on this one.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 3:09:19 PM   
Rule


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I have to give the credit to hermione on this one.

How so? Did I miss a post?

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/27/2007 3:13:14 PM   
SixFootMaster


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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster
I have to give the credit to hermione on this one.

How so? Did I miss a post?


Wasn't public.


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And littered wood of broken days
disregard for toil shown
no ground broken, no seed sewn.

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