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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 3:32:11 AM   
Decimus


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Status: offline 		I understand the premise of the point you are trying to make DMF but your view is so skewed by common stereotypical hyperbole that I am more inclined to pity you and sigh then anything else.

Yes I will agree some women do this, hell I know a few men that do this.

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Two guys are at work. The boss has a dumb idea, a guy will go, "Dude. Come on." And the boss will say, "I'm the boss. Do it, jerkwad." The guy will go, "It's stupid. Were you drunk when you thought of this?" And the boss will go, "Yeah, your wife gave me your whole stash. What's dumb about it, genius?" And the guy will go, "X is dumb. Remind me to change the locks again, you ass." The boss will go, "Not it's not stupid, because of Y. And there's no point, she'll just let me in anyway" And the guy will go, "Well fvck it then. What the hell, let's do it." And the boss will go, "Damn right, because I said to." And the guy will go, "Ass." And the boss will go, "You know it." The guy will go, "Seriously, this idea has problems, though. What about doing Z?" And the boss goes, "Fine, whatever. Z is good. It's on your shoulders, though." And the guy grins and goes, "You mean where your girl's legs were last night." The boss will go, "Get to work, buddy."


In regards to your above quote in all honesty if I had a boss where he refused to listen to reason or give me a logical response I'd say fuck you and find another job the company won't be around much longer with that idiot as a boss. I will not deny this happens in the workplace as I have seen it. However that is another topic of conversation.


My personal opinion and woe be me for the flames this will cause, but yes I do believe fully that the world should be matriarchal instead of the current patriarchy. This is for multiple reasons but the clearest is in history, it used to be that way and it was probably a hell of a nicer place to live in, with men not leading a stereotypical competition in work places women would not be inclined to start the proverbial cat fight and start the reactions and discord DMF's statement showed. Well this is getting to be a long post and I must be off for now.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 4:04:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		i will admit that my perception is colored by my role but here is my opinion...

i believe a woman is like a river.  In her own right, she is strong, she brings life wherever she goes, she can seem serene on the surface but still powerful underneath and at times can be destructive and deadly.

i believe only a man would think to build a dam, to contain her, control her, subdue her.  Not out of bulliness but to make her even more than she can be on her own.  Building the dam creates a watershed for the drought, a recreation area, a calm body of water for even more abundance without ever taking away her ability to flow, to continue to be life-giving. 

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 4:38:03 AM   
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I believe there are 2 genders, and consider transgender identities to be a sort of mutation of the personality, similar to how Down's Syndrome is a mutation of the genes.  I'm not sure what causes homosexuality or transgendered identities, but the general consensus says the desires are inborn.  And granted some mutations do have advantages.  I still see it as a mutation.


You should educate yourself a bit more with regard to genetics...and you might want to gather some info on brain development as well. More information would change your point of view.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 5:08:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hermione83

If we need to force everyone into conformity, how about everyone tries to fit in with the meek, polite, kind, and professional?


Quite frankly, hermione, I like the idea. Really I do, but there is one little word that comes immediately to mind: steamrolled.

Bosses have to make hard fast decisions and have the balls to stand by it, or have the balls to accept the consequences if the decision proves to be not quite so successful or wholly unpopular (despite its success).

It's kind of the same in the wild. The strong survive, the weak get eaten. It's a big jump from the boardroom to the veld, I know, but that's pretty much the gist of it.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 5:51:31 AM   
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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 6:46:32 AM   
Dnomyar


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Status: offline 		Would it not be better if whomever was in charge is bi-sexaul.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 8:14:13 AM   
DMFParadox


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Status: offline 		Looks like I touched a nerve... this is turning into a fun conversation.

I don't want to defend the guy, just give a perspective on where he might be coming from.  ANY corporate environment that degenerates into stasis is a bad thing.  Good luck with your lawsuit, take the bastard down.


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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 8:23:45 AM   
DMFParadox


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Status: offline 		Matriarchal environments can be tough to work in effectively, too.  Even for the matriarchs.  If it were so much better, then it would have been more predominant throughout history.  Frankly, I think that the studies on managerial effectiveness are highlighting only the fact that change is good; it's a game of Go, where the right counterintuitive strategy can flip the entire board over to you.  But when it takes over, the 'frat boy' mentality, and the associated subtleties, will become more and more effective.  For a glance at how the current 'feminine' approach to management is today, all of the traits that those studies highlight as good things, look at Japan in the 80's.  It was phenomenally effective... for a time.  Then problems crept into it.  The wheel turns.




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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 8:28:13 AM   
DMFParadox


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ORIGINAL: Decimus

I understand the premise of the point you are trying to make DMF but your view is so skewed by common stereotypical hyperbole that I am more inclined to pity you and sigh then anything else.


I was using an extreme example to highlight the difference in styles.  The actual realities are far more subtle; if they weren't, then figuring these things out would be a lot easier.


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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 8:34:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

Looks like I touched a nerve... this is turning into a fun conversation.

I don't want to defend the guy, just give a perspective on where he might be coming from.  ANY corporate environment that degenerates into stasis is a bad thing.  Good luck with your lawsuit, take the bastard down.



Well of course you touched a nerve. When you foist some tired, stereotypical nonsense onto a real life situation where an assertive, professional, talented woman of experience gets laid off for NO LEGITIMATE REASON and WITH NO WARNING, then yes, that will indeed touch some nerves.

And I pity you if this ever happens to you, dear, because then you would not find this conversation so very "fun".

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 8:43:00 AM   
RosesHaveThorns


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Even for the matriarchs.  If it were so much better, then it would have been more predominant throughout history.


You know, that slavery and racism thing worked well for such a long time. Let's go back to that, shall we?

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 11:15:55 AM   
slimcontroller


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Status: offline 		mars in opposition to Venus ? How about when in conjunction with Uranus ?

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 12:34:26 PM   
Aswad


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I know of some folks who believe in "Natural Order" in which men are naturally dominant.


Most who believe in it realize that we're not talking about absolutes, but rather about there being a tendency for John Doe to be more dominant than Jane Doe, in other words a matter of averages. The far more important point is believing that a relationship works best when there is one dominant party and one submissive party, where the dominant party is strong enough (not necessarily in a physical sense) that the submissive party does not need to lessen themselves or "bow down" in order to for the dynamic to work.

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I can only live as I am, true to myself, and I encourage others to do the same - be true to themselves, whatever that might mean for them


Seems like a good choice, although few people seem to do so.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 12:38:12 PM   
subtee


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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 12:38:19 PM   
Aswad


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ORIGINAL: Rover

I believe that "supremacy" based upon any individual accident of birth (ie: gender supremacy, race supremacy, etc.) is ridiculous, in the same way that discrimination based upon those accidents of birth is offensive.


Bears repeating.
Aristocracy has been tried, and generally rejected.
Substituting one accident of birth for another does not change the basic problem, either.
Going by merit alone is, IMO, the most viable way to eliminate prejudice and discrimination in the long run.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 12:39:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		the OP mentions "tolerance"... i actually disagree about the tolerence level of many in the lifestyle. it seems to me in my years of experience that people in the bdsm community tend to speak of wanting acceptance and tolerance but in fact are rather defensive and show a lack of tolerance to those who do not agree in lock step with them (the goreans are notorious for this)

its kind of like how many "insert religeon here" people act in a manner completely inconsistant with the teachings of their "holy book"

thats just my observation

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 12:39:33 PM   
laurell3


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Status: offline 		Aswad you have a new pic, it's very blurry, but I like it!
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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 12:41:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xoxi


Did this even answer the question or was it just a bunch of rambling?



IMO, the second thing. Especially when combined with the intolerance you posted subsequent to this one. Very sad.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 12:42:46 PM   
Aswad


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ORIGINAL: xoxi

I also feel like our society has lost something by pitting men and women against each other


Just leave it at that one line, and you've basically addressed the topic in its entirety, soshi.

It's one of the interesting things about the Wheel of Time series.

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RE: Mars vs Venus - 10/29/2007 12:45:27 PM   
Aswad


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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Aswad you have a new pic, it's very blurry, but I like it!


Thanks.

The unpacking is coming along, so I finally found the USB cable for the new cam, allowing me to yank the crap picture I took with the old cam, which needed spot lightning to work. I don't look nearly as miffed in the new one, although I'm still not happy with it. The blur is intentional, done with a glow filter, as the picture otherwise looked too dark and "flat."

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