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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 7:47:47 PM   
TakenPet


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Status: offline 		I personally feel that no matter what happens there are always limits, either from the sub or from the Dom/me.  There is always something that is going to be pushed, but there are certain issues that surround morality and become illegal that people don't often push, that is not to say that some people do cross that line .. the way I see it there are limits no matter what you do, its human nature.  Children in play for example.  Hence, age play, you can be a "child" without actually being a child.  You are still a consenting adult who is acting like a child.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 5:32:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

at the last No Limits convention this slave distinctly remembers that it was voted on...here's the results:
 
on even years "No Limits Slavery" will be ridiculed and chainsaw references or ritual sacrifice and dismemberment of family members will be required every time it is brought up.
on odd years it will be defended and folks will encourage others not to ridicule the lifestyles, choices, and words folks use to describe their relationship or dynamic.(romantic or literal)
four weeks in the summer and two weeks in the winter, those without limits will be forced to endure endless accusations of mental deficiency, thereby negating their "right" to enter into a consensual relationship of any kind.
 
seriously, though...the only general consensus this slave has witnessed is that if you need to set limits and safewords with any specific person, relationship or activities within the relationship, in order to be fulfilled, or in a relationship, go for it!!!!!!  many will support you in your endeavor and good luck!


LOL beth this was priceless.  And I fully agree with the last paragraph.

~ signed,  The wacky wafer whose Master had to tell her that chainsaws really aren't hot sex toys...what can I say, I get hot whenever one revs up....

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 5:49:45 PM   
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2. Those who have "no limits" except for the limits of their Master, as if sharing mutual limits (anyone ever heard of compatibility?) magically makes their limits cease to exist.

I vote for whats behind door number 2


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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 6:19:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didnt read all replies, so sorry if this is a repeat. I think most people that refer to themselves as no limits are either new with no RT experience or are saying what they think the Dominant wants to hear.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 6:27:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		i have limits. my personal opinion is that everyone has limits.
the coincide with my Masters though, so i don't have to worry about it unless He goes bonkers.

no killing
no maiming
no killing or maiming others.
no scat
no lying

there may be more, but  the worse i've gotten is beaten and made to clean the bathroom with a toothbrush, and i've been under Him for 2 years.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 6:34:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe "DEATH" should be added to the BDSM interests list so we can find out who really has it as a hard limit (or lives for it?).

Even if "no limits" sounds silly when stretched out to its full meaning, I still think it can be a good mentality to have, to expand your mind and try things you never would have considered before. But if there are things you distinctly know are absolutely repulsive to you, having them as a limit might be a good idea. When I use the "no limits" argument what I mean is that I am not going to run away if my Master tries something that does not appeal to me instantly, or even something I really dislike...but that's just me, I get off on the exercise of power for its own sake. Having said that, I can't claim that "death by chainsaw" isn't a hard limit.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 7:07:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mydestiny2043

Hi I decided to start this thread so that I wouldn't hijack anyone elses.I was talking to a Dominant earlier this evening about No Limits Slavery,And he made the comment that, "I'm just making the point that "no limits" implies that boundaries are expected to be pushed ".I was wondering if that is the general consensus overall with slaves and Masters alike?Any and all opinions appreciated. 


No limits?

Wow, you could make her vote republican.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 7:09:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: goodgirl08

Maybe "DEATH" should be added to the BDSM interests list so we can find out who really has it as a hard limit (or lives for it?).

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 7:11:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

It's a myth. No one has limits. In the right circumstance with the right catalyst, anyone will do anything. To believe otherwise is demented.


Bit'a'Bingo.

As demonstrated in the Milgram experiment and its successors, most people will even exceed their own moral limits in the presence of an authority figure that requires it of them, and some of the caveats are things that can be deconditioned. A Dominant or a Master will, one hopes, be an authority figure in the life of a submissive or slave. If they are looking to go the whole nine yards, and are competent, that will fly in almost all cases.

How many people here have done something by focusing on the fact that it's his/her will?

Furthermore, a thing that the curious will find elaborated on in the Interpretations section of the link provided, there is a large (unsurprisingly) overlap between the things theorists have posited as explanations for why people respond that way, and what it is that often goes on in a power dynamic. A mental shift in the distribution of responsibility and some measure of desire to conform to a physically present authority, for instance.

How many people here like to be "forced" into doing something?

To make an exceedingly long story short, the matter of limits is one of what limits are set by the person in charge, the trust between the parties, whether the other party is going to remove themselves from the person in charge if they notice that they are being molded, whether sufficient awareness exists to detect this, and whether the person in charge has enough skills to complete the molding process in a successful manner.

If you're already there, chances are you will obey.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 7:18:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fair enough,but what I was wondering was does no limits imply that the boundries are meant to be pushed because they want or need to prove something to themselves or their Master that "walk through the fire" and they can "endure anything"That's what I was having trouble wrapping my head around.Hense my confusion on the matter.  

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 7:23:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mydestiny2043

Fair enough,but what I was wondering was does no limits imply that the boundries are meant to be pushed because they want or need to prove something to themselves or their Master that "walk through the fire" and they can "endure anything"That's what I was having trouble wrapping my head around.Hense my confusion on the matter.  


I've had women who subbed to me that had the basic idea that they wanted to see how far they could go. It was sort of a love hate thing.............they hated the idea of what they KNEW I could put them through-and would-if they BEGGED me.

And were absolutley fascinated by the idea of what it would be like. Then again,I would tease them about it mercilessly-I think it may have been a matter of pride/humiliation.

But it was THEM that chose to give up the hard limits-I only suggested that they could..

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 9:01:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RRafe

But it was THEM that chose to give up the hard limits-I only suggested that they could..


Coming from this side of the kneel - i would agree~

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 9:04:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dawntreader

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

But it was THEM that chose to give up the hard limits-I only suggested that they could..


Coming from this side of the kneel - i would agree~


Yanno, I'm not a puffed up self titler.

I only facillitate. Some people seem to have a difficult time understanding something that simple-except for you.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 9:08:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RRafe

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ORIGINAL: dawntreader

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

But it was THEM that chose to give up the hard limits-I only suggested that they could..


Coming from this side of the kneel - i would agree~


Yanno, I'm not a puffed up self titler.

I only facillitate. Some people seem to have a difficult time understanding something that simple-except for you.

Thankyou - i know myself well enough to know this...no one can take me anywhere that an "aspect" of myself has not already been.  In situations like this the bottom does need a "facillitator" to take them where they cannot go alone~

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 9:15:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dawntreader

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

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ORIGINAL: dawntreader

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

But it was THEM that chose to give up the hard limits-I only suggested that they could..


Coming from this side of the kneel - i would agree~


Yanno, I'm not a puffed up self titler.

I only facillitate. Some people seem to have a difficult time understanding something that simple-except for you.

Thankyou - i know myself well enough to know this...no one can take me anywhere that an "aspect" of myself has not already been.  In situations like this the bottom does need a "facillitator" to take them where they cannot go alone~


When I can see myself as the mirror for another person, My focus shifts. I don't see these things as wielding power-I see them as offering an enviornment. Things become less complicated-less ego driven.

And very much freer to explore.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/1/2007 9:22:20 PM   
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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/2/2007 12:40:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

No limits to me just means that you're compatible, that you like the same things and dislike the same things. That you're smart enough to talk things out ahead and you picked someone who won't demand you break your moral and ethical boundaries and who cares enough about you not to do you any harm.


I agree with this 100%.

But then again, I often wonder about people who focus on what they can't do in a relationship with someone else. Is it really that important?

I mean, isn't the whole point of the relationship what you can do together, and what you really enjoy doing together?

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/2/2007 12:54:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: goodgirl08

Maybe "DEATH" should be added to the BDSM interests list so we can find out who really has it as a hard limit (or lives for it?).

Even if "no limits" sounds silly when stretched out to its full meaning, I still think it can be a good mentality to have, to expand your mind and try things you never would have considered before. But if there are things you distinctly know are absolutely repulsive to you, having them as a limit might be a good idea. When I use the "no limits" argument what I mean is that I am not going to run away if my Master tries something that does not appeal to me instantly, or even something I really dislike...but that's just me, I get off on the exercise of power for its own sake. Having said that, I can't claim that "death by chainsaw" isn't a hard limit.


If "Death" were an option wouldn't most of those interested in Goth subjects have it under their "Loves" and any of a philosophical bent put it under "Interested In"?????

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/2/2007 2:55:37 AM   
mydestiny2043


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Status: offline 		First I want to again thank everyone for all of your views/opinions
on the subject.And also for not just giving up and saying I'm not giving my insight because I've done it countless times before
and it always ends up a certain way(for that reason alone I give you all your props.You see I've said it before,and anyone that truly knows me know's how hard headed I can be at times(As a good friend of mine always tells me" say it ain't so").But to me  that in of it's self  isn't  necessarily a bad  thing,because for me  most of the time  it's not  what you say
but how you say it,and people don't always process information the same way(for example someone interviewing witnesses at a crime scene out of all the people no one person is going to to have the same exact account of what they witnessed)my point is if I don't get it I'm going to just to say yea ok because everyone else gets it and I don't and let it go at that.I have to keep asking until finally that half a brain cell of mine finally kicks in and says Dah,now I get it(there have been times literally when I finally say something like "break it down to me like you're talking to a 4 year old" they still basically ended up saying the same thing it's just they changed the context of how they said it,and to me in the end, I really don't care how I get it as long as I get it .That's just me,and if I drove you all crazy  in the process I apologizebut I don't see that part of me changing anytime soon,so my only advise I can give is if I worked your last nerve the next time you see a post of mine go ahead and roll your eyes and don't even waste your time reading because I am who I am LOL.I'm going to shut the hell up now and let you all get back to your regular scheduled programsThanks again.  

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RE: No Limits slavery - 11/2/2007 4:07:57 AM   
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i find that statement questionable what is no limits to you ? how far would you let someone go or do to you i think you must be careful oh so careful . to many nuts for me out there , i had slave who would do anything anywhere just to please themselves . i had no wish to go so far and push pass the norm for me

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