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RE: Energy people - 11/1/2007 7:04:11 PM

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To respond to the op, yeah, I do tend to be very sensitive to "energy". When entering a new situation, or meeting new people, the first thing I notice is the energy. I don't have a clue what I mean by this, but people either have good or bad energy, or, like others have pointed out, they contribute or drain energy. Situations are the same. Often, after leaving a place what I remember most, and what I base my evaluation on is the energy: was it positive or negative. This kind of thing tends to override all other considerations.

I don't really understand it. I know what it is but its more an intuitive sense for things than anything more rational.

Intuition, gut feeling-all about the energy people put out.

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RE: Energy people - 11/1/2007 7:22:36 PM

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this thread has been of interest to us, when it has managed to stay on track

From the first time C and i met we knew it was something special. We have living together for over 18 months now and it just keeps getting better. Neither of us have ever experienced anything like it or even heard others speak of it ( though C being the man He is admits He would have probably scoffed at talk of energy exchange!!!) The deeper He leads me into sub space the more i give Him. By the end we just lie shaking in each others arms and we can both feel the energy rushing around us and bouncing between us. The first time it happened i came to enough to check He was ok, He was just lying there shaking and unable to speak. At times, i do not even need to go into sub space, sex will take us both there.Yes, we are committed to each other, yes we are very much in love but this is something else. We are both rational people who really dont understand what is happening but are still enjoying every moment.

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RE: Energy people - 11/1/2007 7:40:09 PM

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Situations are the same. Often, after leaving a place what I remember most, and what I base my evaluation on is the energy: was it positive or negative. This kind of thing tends to override all other considerations.

I don't really understand it. I know what it is but its more an intuitive sense for things than anything more rational.

i know exactly what you mean...they are totally upgrading and reorganizing my closest groccery store and when i went in there last friday every one in there was in such a state of chaos, no one knew where anything was or what was going on, the employees were chaotic, the managers were chaotic, the shoppers were majorly chaotic, the whole store was a box of chaos, and i stepped inside, i wanted to curl up on the floor, put my arms over my head to stop the chaos that was bombarding me...not to mention that i am OCD and everything was not where i left it....but i kept going and got my shopping done and got out of there, along the way i tried to spread calming energy as i went....it felt a little less chaotic when i left...i don't know how long it lasted, but it helped for a moment, i think....

and i am not going back until they are way past done with the renovations....

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RE: Energy people - 11/2/2007 3:06:07 AM

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To answer the question posed by the OP I wouldn't say that intimacy has anything to do with energy. I don't see any connection between the two.

We are all living, and therefore composed of both matter (our bodies) and energy (our spirits). The two together are combined into what we call life.

Matter without energy is inanimate, inert, lifeless, motionless. It is material and physical. If we had no energy we would be dead. Death is basically that moment when our bodies (matter) completely run out of energy (spirit). We can be weakened by other people feeding off our energy, we can be weakened through illness, and we can be weakened through stress. This explains why stress is the number one cause of death.

Energy without matter is spirit. It lies beyond the material, physical world. We are living, and therefore the energy within us, which we can feel, this is our souls, our spirits. We are all perfectly able of increasing our own energy levels by drawing on energy from the spiritual world, by such activities as prayer and meditation. This explains why some people have more energy than others. Their souls and minds are more developed than others. The more your soul is developed the more energy you have. This explains the fundamental basis of religious thought.

Energy therefore lies beyond our normal range of perception. In order to be able to perceive energy without matter you need to be psychic, or to have extrasensory perception.

To obtain any sort of motion, or interaction, you need both matter and energy. Your car parked outside your home is matter. It is inert, motionless. The car does not move on its own. It requires you to get into it, and start the engine. You starting the engine transfer energy through turning the key and causing an electrical impulse (energy) which transfers more energy in the creation of a spark in the spark plug (energy) which starts the engine (matter) running (motion).

Some people claim that there is no such thing as perpetual motion. I beg to differ, as in my opinion the Universe exists as a result of planets (matter) moving through space and it is this movement caused through matter and energy which to me strongly suggests perpetual motion.

However the motion caused by an inexplicable source of energy (spirit) combined with inanimate objects (matter) is what most people explain as an Act of God and is seen by people as proof of the existence of God.

But if energy and matter combine to give motion and interaction, why is there no connection with intimacy?

Sexual intercourse is not intimacy, nor is anything which happens between a Dominant and a submissive - it is interaction.

Intimacy to me is not interaction, but knowledge and understanding of another person.

This is clear when we consider the interaction say between a male submissive and a Domme. Let's assume the male submissive requires a spanking from the Domme. This requires an exchange of energy, an interaction. The Domme has to transfer energy from her hand (matter) to the submissive's backside (matter) through the motion of moving her arm up and down.

This fulfills the male submissive's emotional need to be spanked. But if he has no Mistress, he can satisfy his emotional need for a spanking by visiting a Pro-Domme. There is no intimacy, they do not need to know each other, they do not even need to understand each other. This is therefore merely interaction.

Intimacy can only exist of there is a relationship between the two people involved.

My theory is therefore that the OP has used the word intimacy incorrectly, when the actual word should have been interaction, which explains the confusion of the other posters.

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RE: Energy people - 11/2/2007 4:39:58 AM

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There is such a thing known as 'quantum foam.' Without getting into too much detail--because, with quanta, the more detail you have, the fuzzier the picture is--it's been proven that quantum activity is heightened around our brains. Well, as proven as anything quantum can be, but that's a different topic entirely. Moving on... More importantly, we seem to have a bit of control over the level of it--I remember reading a study, I can't find it so take this with a grain of salt, but I remember a study that tested college students and martial arts students on whether they could have an effect on a study of quantum indeterminancy. The students did, in fact, have a statistically significant effect on the subject vs. the control... in other words, their minds--and no other tools, actions, or explanations--had a direct effect on the world.

The problem with any kind of energy study, however, is the sheer variety of energies our bodies possess. Quantum, heat, electromagnetic, chemical, kinetic, and informational structures which carry some of the characteristics of all of these energies. Then, simply knowing that the energy is there and that the level has changed does not guarantee anything about what effect it will have on your mind or body. It can be construed that energy 'vampires' are actually SENDING more energy than they are recieving... or vice versa. Any legitimate discussion of energy vampirism must take into account all of these factors, and there must be at least a basic understanding of cellular and macroscopic biology before you take part. Know what a lipid is? If not, go learn.

I'm not trying to scare anybody... if you can get past the terminology, this is some FASCINATING shit. I really want to encourage you to learn, because, after everything I've studied--and as I hope I've shown, I've studied quite a bit--I am certain beyond doubt that energy vampirisim, strengthening gestalts, and even more exotic energy behaviors exist, and I'd love to explore the subject with someone as involved in it. But if you want to get me to respect your mysticism, show me you've spent some time learning how quantum behavior affects electromagnetic behavior, and how both affect the absorbtion and rejection of chemical signals through the cell membrane. Otherwise, you're just throwing darts in a dark room on this.

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RE: Energy people - 11/2/2007 4:58:55 AM

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{Energy therefore lies beyond our normal range of perception. In order to be able to perceive energy without matter you need to be psychic, or to have extrasensory perception}

....I have heard it claimed/discussed that we all have psychic abilities and perception in the way you describe it...
it's just a matter of whether it is developed or not, and to what degree.

...that when we enter this life (rhelm) and just before we leave it> are the two most intuned and perceptive times in our existence..during the middle time we "learn to doubt or ignore" OR "we embrace and develope it" in varying degrees...

interesting to think about : )

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RE: Energy people - 11/2/2007 5:36:34 AM

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{Energy therefore lies beyond our normal range of perception. In order to be able to perceive energy without matter you need to be psychic, or to have extrasensory perception}

....I have heard it claimed/discussed that we all have psychic abilities and perception in the way you describe it...
it's just a matter of whether it is developed or not, and to what degree.

...that when we enter this life (rhelm) and just before we leave it> are the two most intuned and perceptive times in our existence..during the middle time we "learn to doubt or ignore" OR "we embrace and develope it" in varying degrees...

interesting to think about : )

This is true that we all do have psychic abilities and extrasensory perception, which I feel is evidence of reincarnation.

My own personal theory is that rational thought comes from the soul or spirit and mind, and emotional reasoning comes from the brain. Thinking is purely spiritual, and linked with the memory, which explains the dreams we have during our sleep, and the visions or illusions we have at the time of our death and afterwards when our brain dies and we lose the ability to feel or use emotional reasoning.

My theory is that our dreams and what we perceive as we go through the experience of death (and possibly afterwards) is triggered by emotional reasoning and impulses or changes in the pattern of impulses in the brain.

As we are born and we go through childbirth we experience a shock caused by being taken out of the womb and into the outside world and this causes fear and panic, which probably explains why newborn babies are wriggling and moving and often cry the moment they are brought out into the atmosphere, and it is this panic which causes us to forget what was before and our minds are therefore erased completely and wiped clean and therefore we cannot remember where we came from.

My theory is that we can all develop 'mind over matter' and learn to gain control through our minds of our bodies and our health, and it is this control which we can develop and cultivate through such practices as meditation, prayer, etc which can help us transcend both life and death and remain connected with the spiritual world even though we exist also in the material and physical world, among 'the living'.

This obviously isn't something I know for sure, and I wouldn't suggest that anyone try this theory at hiome by killing themselves and trying to see if they can be reborn, but this is something I strongly believe.

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RE: Energy people - 11/13/2007 6:30:42 PM

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With the energy is there such a thing as a conductor and a receiver. I've been told by a couple of people that I know there is. I was told that the conductor, when he's played, has thrown people on the floor and even stopped his own watch. Is there any truth to this?

I was touched by a receiver. I did not like what she pulled from me. I did not know what was happening nor did I know what she had gotten.

My third option is that I'm completely off my rocker.

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RE: Energy people - 11/13/2007 7:02:09 PM

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Is your intimacy based on your energy?

Nope.

Just that mundane personal connection that sometimes happens between two (or occasionally more) people who really like each other and find they share enough things of personal importance. No "energy" of any kind, just ordinary emotions. Course given how rare that sort of connection can be, I wouldn't say there was anything mundane or ordinary about it. When two people really strongly connect, its the kind of thing they write poetry about, beautiful to see, even better to experience... and terrible in its loss.

As you might guess, I don't believe in "energy transfers", psychics, vampires, magic or the like... not even souls or an afterlife. Guess that makes me the oddball in this thread. If it works for others to believe in these things, well, whatever gets you through the night, that's alright by me.

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RE: Energy people - 11/13/2007 7:42:27 PM

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This is one of those difficult issues for me, because as I am sure people who have read my posts understand, I tend to function in a logical, pragmatic, and cut-and-paste kind of way.

However, as I have done some studying and practiction of different Eastern religions, I have developed awareness of my own energy. I have also somewhat experienced what I beleive to be "energy transfer" in BDSM play. However, given the way my mind works almost completely in a logical and rational way, I am only slightly tuned to it and not even close to experiencing and being aware of it as some people CLAIM to.

I can't explain it or even understand it in logical terms so a large part of me wants to dismiss it. However, my experiences keep me from writing it off as a psycho-head trip. (I haven't ruled out the possibility that all this influence from Eastern religion has led me to convince myself that I am experiencing something on a grander scale than just normal human emotion.)

The vampires are pushing it though.

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RE: Energy people - 11/13/2007 8:28:26 PM

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Energy vampires are real, Charleston...and they don't need you to believe in them - they believe in what they can do and that is enough
In my line of work, i have learned to create energy boundries to keep from being depleted by those that would "suck me dry" so to speak!
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RE: Energy people - 11/13/2007 9:04:50 PM

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Energy vampires are real, Charleston...and they don't need you to believe in them - they believe in what they can do and that is enough
In my line of work, i have learned to create energy boundries to keep from being depleted by those that would "suck me dry" so to speak!
peace,
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Hey, I am more than willing to admit that things can exist despite my lack of understanding and abundance of ignorance.

Baseball is a prime example.

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RE: Energy people - 11/14/2007 4:03:51 AM

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Is my intimacy based on my energy. To be quite honest, I can't say yes and I cannot say no because the question is to me far to limiting, or does not delve deep enough.

I suppose if I replace the word 'intimacy' with the words ' relationships' or 'anger' or 'shopping' - all these activities are based on energy, but not necessarily my energy, it can be based on any number of peoples or objects energys.

My belief is that energy just 'is'. It's around us, in us. What we do with that energy depends on how aware we are and who we are with at the time and how we perceive energy and if we have some sort of awareness of it's existance. Sometimes it can be shared, sometimes consumed from another, sometimes forced upon us other times it is given freely. We absorb it, exude it, maintain it and waste it. This thread alone has generated both positive and negative energy in its writing, reading and absorbing. You can't create energy, you simply take it and either build on it using more energy, like playdoh for example. It can be manipulated or created to look like something else but it is still energy.
How we utilse it and understand it is purely done to the individual(s) involved in its use/transfere/manipulation.

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