Freedom Fries

Freedom Fries (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid

Message

RealityLicks -> Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 11:17:57 AM)
Can anyone satisfy my curiosity on a subject was has bothered me for quite some time? I'd be grateful for any serious responses. A commonly used term is "politically correct" or "PC". Its used frequently to describe people and their actions but I have never yet met anyone who describes themselves as being politically correct. I do sometimes meet people who pride themselves in not being politically correct but they are often not equipped to explain anything very well, so I tend not to ask them. If no-one uses the term to identify themselves, why is it so frequently used?

Level -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 11:23:34 AM)
To denigrate others, or to attempt to give a quick explantion for a comment, or action.

popeye1250 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 11:30:15 AM)
I think "ANAL-RETENTIVE" is a better term! "Politically-Correct" people are ASSHOLES, plain and simple.

MzMia -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 11:30:15 AM)
According to the American Heritage Dictionary 1996, "politically correct" means supporting policies and programs that widely affects educational, social and political issues. There are many issues here that the majority of posters support that I often disagree on. I have found being "politically correct" usually only means going along with what most of what ever group you are in, seem to want to hear. I would say I am often NOT politically correct in most settings. lol

Raechard -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 12:37:58 PM)
If someone is too scared to call a spade a spade they will end up trying to dig a hole with a fork. I don’t know what that means but it sounded good in my head. What does this have to do with the anti French sentiment, I’m confused. I came here for the fries that sold me the dream of......

luckydog1 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 1:18:07 PM)
Websters defines it as Main Entry: politically correct Function: adjective Date: 1936 : conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated. Its a word that has been in use since the 1930s. It has to do with eliminating potential offense, and as such is anti freedom in someways. I am PC enough to oppose hanging nooses in public. Reality bites, I guess this will just sound like jibberish to you, as I am not equiped to explain anything, but I will try anyway, mostly for the other readers of the this thread. It Was a term used by people (leftists and communists) around the 1930s for themselves and policies they supported. It has become a joke, and the term is seldom used to describe ones self. It is a general term to describe anyone who demands adherence to left wing policies or attitudes. To some that is an insult, to others it is a compliment.

Raechard -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 1:30:35 PM)
People also like to say things like “It’s political correctness gone mad I tells ya.” That’s when you can’t call a manhole a manhole because you could be a female sewage worker. You have to call it a people hole or a utility access point. You can’t call a disabled person disabled either they are physically challenged. A short person is vertically challenged an obese person is challenged by gravity etc. etc.

thornhappy -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 2:27:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raechard People also like to say things like “It’s political correctness gone mad I tells ya.” That’s when you can’t call a manhole a manhole because you could be a female sewage worker. You have to call it a people hole or a utility access point. You can’t call a disabled person disabled either they are physically challenged. A short person is vertically challenged an obese person is challenged by gravity etc. etc. btw, calling a manhole something else originated with a joke contest (that's a joke folks) carried out by a municipality (i think it was Davis, CA). some commentators forgot about the joke part. the bad thing about accusations of political correctness is that nowadays it's often used to stop discussions in their tracks. instead of asking why someone's got a certain point of view, or where the facts came from, they are simply denigrated as being politically correct. thornhappy

NorthernGent -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 5:11:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks A commonly used term is "politically correct" or "PC". If no-one uses the term to identify themselves, why is it so frequently used? 'Not sure, has anyone asked the brigade about this?

Owner59 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 6:00:06 PM)
My 1st recollection of the term,was George Bush I using it,to describe liberals.It was supposed to mean ,someone without principle,saying/doing what ever was needed,to advance their agenda.Ironic,coming from a republican. It`s used mostly by neo-cons,ditto-heads,and Fox News viewers,to describe the people and policies,they don`t like. Of course,there`s all kinds of political correctness on the right. It`s political correctness, that keeps republicans from telling the truth about Iraq. It`s political correctness, that won`t let republicans admit that Iraq is FUBAR,and should not be allowed to continue. It`s political correctness, that makes republicans claim that we`re fight terrorists in Iraq(which is not true).

luckydog1 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 6:11:41 PM)
Thanks for the vivid example of the difference between you recollection and reality owner59. It has been in the dictionary since the 1930s. And that is not at all what it means.

Owner59 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 7:31:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Thanks for the vivid example of the difference between you recollection and reality owner59. It has been in the dictionary since the 1930s. And that is not at all what it means. Ha!, Another gotcha moment.he-he.Try again... Of course it`s meant different things,at different times.Pffff..."1930,...lol,good one. When the fuck was the word "liberal",changed from it`s real meaning,into the "dirty word",that republicans made of it today?!lol Are you saying this ,with a straight face? You`d be lying,if you said that the term wasn`t used by neo-cons/republicans,to describe democrats,for that lst 20 years. But don`t let that stop you. Don`t recall any democrats/liberals,calling anyone "politically correct",for any reason.Can you give some examples of that? I also remember that Bush I,was into decrying "spacial interest groups".Saying they were the cause of all the ills,in Washington DC.Over and over again,he demonized them. Of course(hypocrisy being an integral part of being a republican),he was only talking about liberal special interest groups.lol Pretending and talking,like it was only the liberals,who had special interest groups.lol Bush was deceiving people,that only gay,women`s,minority,environmental groups,etc., were in Washington,and that republicans also didn`t had their own fair share of "special interest groups",starting with big business and the Christean right. If you have a recolection of liberals using the phrase,could you give it to us? It was only my recollection,but accurate,I believe.I`ll leave the parsing,to the "factinistas".

luckydog1 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 10:41:53 PM)
Hey you never heard it untill Bush, ok thats believable, you don't seem terribly well infomed. Stuff like saying Clinton had a balanced budget every single year, and stuff like that, that a simple google would show you, even if you do not remember living through it. I think it was around the 68 democratic convention when the left siezed the label "Liberal". Took America about 10 years to adjust to the change, and liberal became an insult. Now the same folks call them selves progressives, which is now becoming a dirty word. It is really the ideas behind the group using it that makes it a bad word. which we can see in that even though the Democrats controll both houses of congress, they could care less what the "progressivess" want, and know full well that they have to keep the "Reagan Democrats" happy or they lose the majority the next day, and Pelosi goes back to holding fake hearings in kindegarten desks. A turd by any other name still smells like shit.....

Owner59 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 11:05:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Hey you never heard it untill Bush, ok thats believable, you don't seem terribly well infomed. Stuff like saying Clinton had a balanced budget every single year, and stuff like that, that a simple google would show you, even if you do not remember living through it. I think it was around the 68 democratic convention when the left siezed the label "Liberal". Took America about 10 years to adjust to the change, and liberal became an insult. Now the same folks call them selves progressives, which is now becoming a dirty word. It is really the ideas behind the group using it that makes it a bad word. which we can see in that even though the Democrats controll both houses of congress, they could care less what the "progressivess" want, and know full well that they have to keep the "Reagan Democrats" happy or they lose the majority the next day, and Pelosi goes back to holding fake hearings in kindegarten desks. A turd by any other name still smells like shit..... You`re rambling... And revisionism doesn`t suit you.Don`t quit your day job. Next you`ll be saying that democrats, made up the term,"freedom fries".lol

Zensee -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/4/2007 11:29:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Websters defines it as Main Entry: politically correct Function: adjective Date: 1936 : conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated. That's more like my recollection of how it was originally used (however briefly). It meant being attentive to one's language, especially the names and labels one applied to other races, factions, genders, denominations etc. etc.. So instead of calling a certain group a label of your own creation you might actually ask them (oh horror) what they called themselves or what they would like to be called. Seems pretty innocuous to me. Why it might even be respectful. Somehow it became a generic, scatter-shot and meaningless slur, like Nazi or fascist, applied to anyone who is annoying you, especially by getting the better of you in a political debate. Z.

luckydog1 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 12:46:37 AM)
What do you think revisionism means owner59? Why would I say nonsense like the Dems made up Freedom Fries? Anyone who cares can look up the term on line and see its history. Anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge knows that the term liberal has radically changed meaning over time, and that in many of the English speaking countries, the "Liberal"s are the closest to American Republicans.

meatcleaver -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 1:15:03 AM)
The term political correctness I believe was first used as a derogatory term to describe a philosophy that as lucky pointed out conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated. I believe this began as a misinterpretation of Wittgenstein's work Tractatus where he suggests knowledge is restricted by language. Wittgenstein was only dealing with language in respect to philosophical problems and later said he was wrong. Some would say it was developed from analytical Marxism, though this really is giving Maex a bad name again for something he had never written but the social work fraternity developed political correctness on America campuses and from there it was imported into Britain and other English speaking countries. There is more resistance to political correctness in none English speaking countries which is quite amusing because it seems to suggest political correctness itself is restricted by language.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 3:04:14 AM)
The reason why many do not see themselves as being PC is basically the same as why people do not see them selves as stupid or lacking in any attribute. The lack that PC thinkers have is common sense. As an example they will almost invariably believe that everyone will benefit from a Liberal/Arts education when nothing could be further from the truth. They also tend to believe that if they spend enough of other peoples money on things like the Theatre or more government bureaucrats or general purpose bean counters then society will improve. Again a fallacy. They have a special interest, in the UK at least, in impeding traffic flow to the maximum extent. To ensure this happens they are quite prepared to install dangerous obstacles in the road such as "speed humps" and road narrowing chicanes and bus lanes that throttle traffic flow, stand empty for 99% of the time and only very marginally if at all reduce the use of the private car. Other thing like failing to judge anything ie all cultures/activity are considered of equal merit or to use fancy words they apply moral/cultural relativism then thats a whole field in itself eg Bob Marley or Bob Dylon may be consider people who stand equal to the literary giants of history There exists no depraved demented or downright phsychotic individual whose behaviour some PC thinker will be unable to find a reason to excuse. In other words PC thinkers may be described as nice not infrequently intelligent........ but dim when confronted with the real politik of the human condition.

LadyEllen -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 3:27:26 AM)
The problem with PC - despite its excellent utility as a means of encouraging social progress, is in its pedigree and in its success in changing word use up to a point. This success is indeed much more preferable than was the case in the "good ole days", when the use of descriptors went side by side with stereotyping to maintain the social status quo by means of denigrating and denying certain groups which strayed from it or sought to change it. If it were not more preferable, then one might suggest that PC terminology might never have enjoyed the success it has. But this success in changing the use of words has been such that whereas the originators had genuine cause to encourage such change, the impetus remaining with the movement nowadays chooses the most ridiculous causes for its efforts - and this provokes justifiable ridicule of those efforts, and a consequent forgetting of the progress those efforts provoked in the past, causing the term PC to become an insult. And then there is the pedigree of the movement, in left wing thinking which has been encouraged by the success of the PC wave, to believe that their other viewpoints and policies must be equally valuable and hence that disagreement to them constitutes rudeness and wrong thought. I see in the PC movement an attempt at thought control through the use of language which was required in times past in order to move the debate forward past the sticking point of entrenched prejudice, but this has now been taken further to where its descendant spin is used to report important matters in a way which fails to inform except to support viewpoints and policies - and of course this has been taken up by all sides as a valuable tool - such that we rarely hear the truth for the soundbites. When told that tractor production has doubled, we are lucky to discover that this means two machines compared to one last month and without such information it is impossible for us to do more than cheer. PC thinking is a form of thought control - useful at one time but no longer. Spin is another, though its shelf life appears limited now too. Both originated from left wing thinking, but both have been embraced regardless of their adopters' allegiances. But when thought control becomes the order of the day - then Freedom Fries. E

Lala29 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 3:44:12 AM)
I think the mainstream media masses are also PC. One thing that I hate is their choice to use terrorists from 'asian'. As an asian, I feel offended. You must call a spade a spade. Call pakistan - pakistan, or Arab - Arab. Don't bring along other nations.

Page: [1] 2 3 4 next > >>

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.046875