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seeksfemslave -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 4:01:43 AM)
PC Thinker: Isnt it marvellous Black athleticism? Sprinters winning the major explosive/strength events Ethiopians as an example winning the middle/long distance. events. Non PC thinker: Yes it is. Non PC thinker: It seems to me that the lack of economic success to the point of creating starvation in what was once a prosperous country in Africa shows that maybe there exists, when viewed statistically, a certain shall we say lack of political maturity at the very least. PC Thinker: You Fascist. You racist. How can you tell such lies. We all know that prior to colonialism Africa was a paradise on Earth. Its not true that tribal conflict was a constant and that Blacks took Blacks into slavery and sold the surplus to the foreigners of different skin hue. Even if it is dont talk about that because it will further reduce the self esteem of the black communities especially as Mom is doing her best to support the 3 children she has produced from a selection of at least 15 men. Dont we allocate support to white women who do exactly the same.? Thats what equal opportunity means..... you..... you elitist !!!! Thought quickly repressed by PC thinker: Facing such a truth will diminish the self satisfaction I get in sympathising with the plight of such starving communities and undermine my role in ensuring that vast amounts of financial aid will be allocated to such communities. PC Thinker frowns:Believe me the fact that such aid may be used to strengthen a vicious police force or be trousered by a kleptomaniacal thug is troubling but best left unconsidered especially as my intentions are of the best Maybe we could send so much that at least some will trickle down to the underpriviliged masses PC Thinker justifies This transfer of resouces cannot possibly cause deprivation amongst the lower orders in white society. They are quite well enough off thank you, Look how much tax they pay to support me.

DMFParadox -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 4:55:21 AM)
Whoa, seeks. You just put the noose around your neck and threw the rope to the angry mob. You are a kinky one. One thing about that: there are damned few black people in the country that don't have a good 'ol boy, or at least an indian, in their woodpile. Melting pot is more than just a phrase here in the States. That's just common sense if you think about it, (real) slave women and (real) slaveholders being what they are... and then the inevitable mixing of black with mulatto... but I even think I read about a DNA test like that performed somewhere. Grain of salt, but check it out. That black 800 lbs. football player could be the direct male line descendent of a white man. And I personally find black chicks to be sexy as hell, maybe because I grew up in the ghettos and slums. So as long as there's no law preventing mixing of the tribes here in the land of the free, who gives a flying fart what the demographics are? Now there are so many PC and non-PC statements in there mixed together that I may not have thrown my rope in the angry mob with you, but I sure am dangling it. Teasing them with it. That's my kink. ^_^

meatcleaver -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 5:23:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lala29 I think the mainstream media masses are also PC. One thing that I hate is their choice to use terrorists from 'asian'. As an asian, I feel offended. You must call a spade a spade. Call pakistan - pakistan, or Arab - Arab. Don't bring along other nations. Surely the term asian in this context is non-PC since they media is not being specific. The problem is that such terms as asian while having a specific meaning of someone from Asia also has slightly different meansings from one country to another. In Britain, to describe someone as Asian usually means someone of south Asian descent such as Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi etc. to decribe other Asians such as Chinese of Japanese, they would actually be called Chinses or Japanese. The problem with political correctness is that it tries to create a uniform language for cultures that are different and where people have different perceptions. This thread reminds me of when the British troops in the Falklands called the local Bennies after a rather dumb TV character. They were told by their commanding officers to stop using the term so the troops started to call the locals 'Stills' meaning 'still Bennies'. People are subversive and can use the correct language while subverting its intent which is why PC language is just window dressing and we can all e politically correct while not being politically correct at all. This is why education and understanding is so much more importat than dictat on how one should behave and speak but if you have to do a pirouette to be accepted, get and keep a job, that is what people will do.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 6:54:32 AM)
quote: DMFParadox And I personally find black chicks to be sexy as hell, maybe.....etc. Non PC thinker: No problems with that but it can lead to social difficulties and negative attitudes from both the Black and White communities. PC thinker: Wonderful. Expect nothing but Joy and Happiness and I think that anyone who says different is wrong and a Fascist Non PC thinker.

EPGAH -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 7:54:02 AM)
PC these days just refers to the ridiculously long and high-sounding titles that you can attach to anything to make it SOUND better and/or more "equal", but not change the actual nature of the concept. Garbagemen bcome "Sanitation engineers" Whores become "escorts" (In the old days, "escort" was the armed guard meant to make sure a given person reached a designated location--for or against their will, depending...Now it's just a dodge from the anti-prostitution laws...) Stewardesses become "flight attendants" (This might have been to justify demanding higher wages, while the pilots' union allowed a pay CUT? Something backwards about that, but then, of all the things I've been accused of, political correctness is NOT one of them!) Terrorists become "insurgents" or even the noble "Freedom Fighters"! And of course, stereotypes are AUTOMATICALLY bad, xenophobic, evil, and Nazi/Fascist, regardless of if you use the stock stereotypes, or form your own, based on the characters around you. (And believe me, there's a LOT of living stereotypes around here! You could make your own sitcom, just based on the "stereotypes" living around here--I've mentioned that before in other threads, and been called down on it!) It's also fashionable now to sweep under the rug statistics that would hurt the "feelings" of other groups...Such as if you point out that "minorities" have magically comprised the majority of the prison populations, then either you're racist or the System is...NOT that perhaps they FEEL they have nothing to lose by fighting the System, perhaps? Or that they feel their "needs" more strongly, and therefore feel that their "needs" overpower the value of conforming to society's constraints? (The latter being a popular excuse for illegal aliens--er "undocumented immigrants"![;)]) Or the slightly more ridiculous assertion that our SAT has "cultural bias"...I can agree partially with that: If your "culture" doesn't value learning English and math (with ARABIC numerals--GASP![;)]), then it will be "biased" against you! However, "cultural sensitivity reforms" have eliminated the analogies part, which would seem to an objective standpoint to be a tacit admission that minorities are somehow less capable at logic problems? However, how much can--or should--we handicap the "better" among us to let the "lesser" people catch up? And are we doing ourselves any favors, internationally speaking, by doing so? Other countries seem to do well with a more "Darwinian" educational/legal system, or at least NOT let themselves be guilted into things, blackmailed into it with the amazing threat of, "You better...or we'll call you RACIST!"[:-] Japan, especially, has a bad case of institutionalized racism, only that they're so much more polite about it, and have even rewritten their own history to show themselves as martyrs, rather than aggressors. (Of course, if Americans hadn't been so "inferior" to them, perhaps we could have helped them "get the message" in ONE nuke, rather than two?) Or the illegals, marching in our streets for "rights" they haven't earned (even if "earning" is just standing in a super-long line and paying the fees to the LEGAL employees, rather than they coyotes, and/or returning home when their TEMPORARY visas run out? [;)]) Then demanding "justice", and being SO upset, when the law-enforcers try to give them the justice they're demanding! (Although to be fair, when have any other class of criminals demanded "justice", or said that their crimes would "help them get a better life"--and actually used that as an excuse--or used their kids to guilt the Law into leaving them alone? If that worked, bank-robbers would just have kids in vast quantities and be forgiven en-masse, since stealing massive amounts of money ALWAYS makes one's life better, and/or ones' kids, especially now, with the expensive toys hawked on TV! They call it "childrens' programming" perhaps because it programs the children?[;)]) Hell, we don't even have welfare anymore, we have "entitlements"--people are "entitled" to money--more money than most entry-level jobs--just for existing?! No wonder people want to sneak into our country! They want a piece of that Gravy Train too! EVERY culture now, though, wants to be the victim, and wants "reparations" or special protections for it, though, and it just gets wearisome after awhile, especially if you were brought up with such outdated concepts as "taking responsibility", etc.... And yes, I AM politically incorrect, and have taken a massive pasting for it, past, present, and all predictable futures!

Owner59 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 9:06:36 AM)
Some would say that they`re just being honest,rather than be "PC" Which is also bullshit. It was a major case of political correctness,that painted native Americans as savages and murders,and white people as good willed victims during the "settling of America. I more honest account of that time, would be a human holocaust and trail of tears,suffered by the natives at the hands of whites. The telling of the truth about that part of American history,is relatively recent.And was decried by conservatives crybabies as "PC". Some would say that telling the truth is only being "PC".I say ,telling the lies about American history,is only about being politically correct and about placating the "America can never do wrong" crowd.

farglebargle -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 9:11:42 AM)
If some folks are so disassociated from reality, that they don't think tying someone down and drowning them is torture, there's nothing much which can be done with the mental defective except to try to institutionalize them when they first present themselves to be a danger to others. Getting them to see the point of view of the slaughtered is pointless.

Real0ne -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 9:55:20 AM)
thats when the war on terrorism really started in this country...when the peaceful loving sweet heart settlers came to bring "law order freedom and culture" only to have those savage mad ungrateful indians terrorize and attack them for no reason. So the american indians are the first terrorists. history always repeats itself.

popeye1250 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 10:11:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle If some folks are so disassociated from reality, that they don't think tying someone down and drowning them is torture, there's nothing much which can be done with the mental defective except to try to institutionalize them when they first present themselves to be a danger to others. Getting them to see the point of view of the slaughtered is pointless. Fargle, fuckin' grow a pair! Water boarding isn't torture! We used to do that to each other on "Hell Night" at sea! And we'd pin someone to the deck and the biggest guy on the ship would drop trou and squat on their face. And butt pyramids too! And as for those al qeada "freedom fighters", "freedom" is the LAST thing they want! What, we have to be "polite" to our enemies now? Fuck 'em!

meatcleaver -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 10:39:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Some would say that they`re just being honest,rather than be "PC" Which is also bullshit. It was a major case of political correctness,that painted native Americans as savages and murders,and white people as good willed victims during the "settling of America. I more honest account of that time, would be a human holocaust and trail of tears,suffered by the natives at the hands of whites. The telling of the truth about that part of American history,is relatively recent.And was decried by conservatives crybabies as "PC". Some would say that telling the truth is only being "PC".I say ,telling the lies about American history,is only about being politically correct and about placating the "America can never do wrong" crowd. You're right, we need to look in the mirror and be honest with ourselves, that might or might not be politically correct but it is the proper thing to do. I'm not into the white man's guilt business but I am sure into the need about being honest about our history (Brit in my case). When we (as a culture) can say we did X and Y without the need to soften it by saying 'but they were no angels either', we will then have put a little integrity into our indignation at other cultures who don't hold themselves to account.

EPGAH -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 11:09:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 ...more honest account of that time, would be a human holocaust and trail of tears,suffered by the natives at the hands of whites. The telling of the truth about that part of American history,is relatively recent.And was decried by conservatives crybabies as "PC". Some would say that telling the truth is only being "PC".I say ,telling the lies about American history,is only about being politically correct and about placating the "America can never do wrong" crowd. Is that, then, why we're applauding when less-civilized cultures invade our country, and the responses vary from, "We should be more compassionate with these lawbreakers", to, "If you don't like it, move", and even a couple people saying we should THANK them? Some sort of guilt-trip/karmic payback twofer? Shouldn't it instead be taken as a cautionary tale of the dangers of "immigration" without limits? (To be fair, the Native American Indians did NOT have any concept of land-ownership, let alone immigration, although paradoxically, they had their own "territories" and what amounted to border-skirmishes about dwindling resources!) Or at least the old chest-thumping, "If you can't fight back, don't complain when what you have is taken from you" (Bumper sticker "wisdom", yes, but also present on this board, from people OTHER than me!) If we should thank our invaders, then shouldn't Iraq, by similar logic, be thanking Americans? (Plus, of course, we're pouring money INTO Iraq, while invaders into America seek to send money OUT of America!) Of course, them blowing up our troops might be their way of "thanking" us...In which case, let's "thank" invaders into America similarly![:D] Or perhaps, to take the idea to ridiculous extremes, hold an open-house for rape victims to thank their aggressors? (Of course, the rapists might not attend, for fear that their current SOs would have brought presents for them, but forgotten to wrap'em, so put the "presents" in their guns?[;)]) Or even an open-house for burglary victims to thank their burglars--but the burglars would probably be too busy robbing attendees' houses--again! While the latter two ideas sound like an SNL skit, how is it any more ridiculous than "thanking" illegals for their "contributions"? Americans contribute to our own country WITHOUT conflicting loyalties, and WITHOUT sending money abroad (Unless we get goods or services in return--our government doesn't have any such discriminatory powers, apparently? Look up "Foreign Aid" to all these "independent" nations--including the ones that send us the most invaders![;)]) Or are we supposed to pat them on the back for giving back a little to the country that they've taken so much from? In which case, shouldn't Americans get even BIGGER kudos? Again, parallelism with parenting, where the "bad kid" gets lavished with attention/affection anytime it does something it should be doing anyways, whereas the "good kid" is simply expected to continue being good! New York, BTW, has started a program of monetarily rewarding kids for getting good grades, above-average school-attendance, etc....More or less providing a more empirical proof of what I'm saying here!

seeksfemslave -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 11:13:32 AM)
The PC brigade never say anything else than how awful we were and still are. They rarely mention how awful some of these fundies are. I mean those that visit the Mosque not George Bush.

farglebargle -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 11:30:29 AM)
quote: Water boarding isn't torture! If YOU CONSENTED, that's an entirely different matter, innit? Fine, then we can do it to your Mother and Children for fun? You know... Because it's not torture?

Celeste43 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 5:48:30 PM)
I find that people who boast they are not pc correct are usually bigots. The rest of us just know it is common courtesy to refer to someone in the way they describe themselves. So if someone's name is Margaret and I repeatedly call her Maggie, despite being asked to say Margaret, then I could claim I'm not pc when in actuality I would just be an ordinary ass. I'm female. Referring to me as a broad, a chick or some other term is not something I'd like in an acquaintance. (Or in any one else). Insisting on calling me a broad when asked to desist would offend me. As would referring to me as a kike, or a hebe or even a Jewess. If the subject included religion, then saying she's Jewish is appropriate. If it doesn't include religion, then pigeon holing me in terms of my religion is inappropriate, and if some of the more unpleasant terms are used could result in you needing immediate medical care.

popeye1250 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 6:34:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver The term political correctness I believe was first used as a derogatory term to describe a philosophy that as lucky pointed out conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated. I believe this began as a misinterpretation of Wittgenstein's work Tractatus where he suggests knowledge is restricted by language. Wittgenstein was only dealing with language in respect to philosophical problems and later said he was wrong. Some would say it was developed from analytical Marxism, though this really is giving Maex a bad name again for something he had never written but the social work fraternity developed political correctness on America campuses and from there it was imported into Britain and other English speaking countries. There is more resistance to political correctness in none English speaking countries which is quite amusing because it seems to suggest political correctness itself is restricted by language. "Wittgenstein!" Now there's a name that's on the lips of every schoolchild in Europe and the U.S.!

Zensee -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/5/2007 9:00:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 "Wittgenstein!" Now there's a name that's on the lips of every schoolchild in Europe and the U.S.! Certainly should be. Z.

philosophy -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 10:32:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zensee quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 "Wittgenstein!" Now there's a name that's on the lips of every schoolchild in Europe and the U.S.! Certainly should be. Z. ...was in my school...but that was largely down to Monty Python....

RealityLicks -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 11:41:04 AM)
I think it may well be, in France.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 11:41:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen But when thought control becomes the order of the day - then Freedom Fries. E, I'm sorry, but you seem to be laboring under certain memes from the "loony left" side of the American political divide about "Freedom Fries": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries A number of private restaurants across the country started the renaming movement. Neal Rowland, owner of the privately owned fast-food restaurant Cubbie's in Beaufort, North Carolina, began the movement[1] by selling his fried potato strips under the name "freedom fries". Rowland claimed that his intent was not to slight the French people, but rather to be patriotic and supportive of President George W. Bush after hearing about the news on 2003-02-19. He explained that the name change came to mind after a conversation with a history teacher about World War I, during which anti-German sentiment prompted Americans to rename German foods like sauerkraut and hamburger to "liberty cabbage" and "liberty steak", respectively. Many of Rowland's customers were local military troops. In March 2007, Rowland obtained a U.S. trademark registration for the mark "freedom fries".[5] Firm

RealityLicks -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 11:46:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY E, I'm sorry, but you seem to be laboring under certain memes from the "loony left" side of the American political divide about "Freedom Fries": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries A number of private restaurants across the country started the renaming movement. Neal Rowland, owner of the privately owned fast-food restaurant Cubbie's in Beaufort, North Carolina, began the movement[1] by selling his fried potato strips under the name "freedom fries". Rowland claimed that his intent was not to slight the French people, but rather to be patriotic and supportive of President George W. Bush after hearing about the news on 2003-02-19. He explained that the name change came to mind after a conversation with a history teacher about World War I, during which anti-German sentiment prompted Americans to rename German foods like sauerkraut and hamburger to "liberty cabbage" and "liberty steak", respectively. Many of Rowland's customers were local military troops. In March 2007, Rowland obtained a U.S. trademark registration for the mark "freedom fries".[5] Firm Why "Loony Left"? Surely this was motivated from the Right?

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