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Owner59 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 12:06:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

But when thought control becomes the order of the day - then Freedom Fries.


E,

I'm sorry, but you seem to be laboring under certain memes from the "loony left" side of the American political divide about "Freedom Fries":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries



A number of private restaurants across the country started the renaming movement. Neal Rowland, owner of the privately owned fast-food restaurant Cubbie's in Beaufort, North Carolina, began the movement[1] by selling his fried potato strips under the name "freedom fries". Rowland claimed that his intent was not to slight the French people, but rather to be patriotic and supportive of President George W. Bush after hearing about the news on 2003-02-19. He explained that the name change came to mind after a conversation with a history teacher about World War I, during which anti-German sentiment prompted Americans to rename German foods like sauerkraut and hamburger to "liberty cabbage" and "liberty steak", respectively. Many of Rowland's customers were local military troops. In March 2007, Rowland obtained a U.S. trademark registration for the mark "freedom fries".[5]


Firm



The dumb,lazy,willfully ignorant right-wing, needs to google a little farther then the wiki pages.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2842493.stm

Bob Nay (republican) 2003

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/sprj.irq.fries/

The change back

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/04/opinion/edfries.php

This was the same bunch of bozoos, who walked around with blue fingers,after the so called Iraq elections.




Owner59 -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 12:20:57 PM)

The name changes were spearheaded by two Republican lawmakers who held a news conference Tuesday to make the name changes official on the menus.

Across the country, some private restaurants have done the same.

"This action today is a small, but symbolic effort to show the strong displeasure of many on Capitol Hill with the actions of our so-called ally, France," said Rep. Bob Ney, R-Ohio, the chairman of the Committee on House Administration.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/sprj.irq.fries/

In 2005, Jones-R(one of the sponsors of the "freedom fries" bill), having arrived at the belief that the United States went to war "with no justification", said of the "freedom fries" episode: "I wish it had never happened."[9]
By July 2006, the House had quietly changed the name of the food in all of its restaurants back to "French fries". [10]




RealityLicks -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 1:11:49 PM)

Quite agree, 59. What amazes me is that those who so freely use this term as a pejorative either understand it very differently from each other, or have no real comprehension what it means at all.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 1:13:19 PM)

Owner59 ... you really need to read your own cites ...

1.  The term "Freedom Fries" wasn't thought of, or legislated by anyone, much less Republican members of congress as your urban legend beliefs and ideologically guided thinking leads you to believe and claim.  It was a popular movement which gained recognization when some members of congress asked - as a indication of their displeasure - that the name be changed in the House cafeteria.

2. Reading your own source (http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/sprj.irq.fries/), I quote:
Ney, whose committee has authority over the House cafeterias, directed the change, after colleague Walter Jones, R-North Carolina, circulated a letter suggesting such a move. Jones said he was following the example of a local restaurant owner in his North Carolina district.
Notice the italized sentence above, which comports exactly with my orginal post.

What is it that you said?  Ahh, yes .... "The dumb,lazy,willfully ignorant right-wing, needs to google a little farther then the wiki pages."

Perhaps some people ought to just read what was posted, and get out of their ideologically confining fantasy land.  I know that insulting anyone who you believe holds differing beliefs give you some kind of charge of emotional satisfaction, and smug self-righteousness, but ... really ... can you at least base those type of feelings in some kind of reality?  You'll find them to be so much more satisfying that way.

Firm




RealityLicks -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 1:20:15 PM)

Firm, are you saying that a term (at the very least) adopted and brought to prominence by the Right is somehow neutral or that it does not embody political correctness?




FirmhandKY -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 1:27:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Firm, are you saying that a term (at the very least) adopted and brought to prominence by the Right is somehow neutral or that it does not embody political correctness?


I was responding to E, who used it as an example of "thought control" as in the fabled "right wing" had somehow legislated the term as a method of restrictive thought control.

To the contrary, the term started as a popular reaction to the actions of the French, and (as politicians are wont to do) was picked up by members of the congress, who simply changed the name of certain foods for a limited time in the US House cafeteria.

And this qualifies as "thought control"?

Not in my book.

But the "popular narrative" on the loony left is that "French Fries" was outlawed by the repressive Republican Congress doing dastardly deeds in the Middle East.

Bullshit, pure and simply, but it reinforces stereotypes and memes exploited by the LL, so you still see people regurgitate the false meme as if it were gospel.  (points to Owner59)

Firm




LadyEllen -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 1:27:38 PM)

Look - it wasnt a comment on the production or branding of potato products. It wasnt even a comment on left wing or right wing usage of the term.

It was meant to be a clever closing sentence, linking the post back to the title of the thread, based on the comments I had made in my post.

My wit having escaped the audience, I must conclude that the thought control has extended further and deeper than I initially thought.

E




FirmhandKY -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 1:37:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Look - it wasnt a comment on the production or branding of potato products. It wasnt even a comment on left wing or right wing usage of the term.

It was meant to be a clever closing sentence, linking the post back to the title of the thread, based on the comments I had made in my post.

My wit having escaped the audience, I must conclude that the thought control has extended further and deeper than I initially thought.

E


ahhh, but Lady E, but sometimes clever closing sentences hold more truth than realized at the time they are written.  [:)]

It was a funny closing comment, because it assumed just the facts that I have attempted to debunk.  The "Republicans Outlaw French Fries" is a LL meme that is all about thought control ... just not from the Republican side.

It's an example of successful thought control through the propagation of myths by the leftists who have ideological reasons to try to discredit Republicans.

It was a great example ... just not from the direction you meant.[:)]

Firm




thompsonx -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 1:38:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Look - it wasnt a comment on the production or branding of potato products. It wasnt even a comment on left wing or right wing usage of the term.

It was meant to be a clever closing sentence, linking the post back to the title of the thread, based on the comments I had made in my post.

My wit having escaped the audience, I must conclude that the thought control has extended further and deeper than I initially thought.

E

LadyEllen:
Subtle humor is not often understood by the politically correct.
thompson




mnottertail -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 1:42:24 PM)

I augur that these current potato wars, which hold a great deal of indestinguishability in terms of our freedoms and will as a people  will make the Irish potato famine look like a late supper.

Eustace P. McGonigle  




thompsonx -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 1:45:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Firm, are you saying that a term (at the very least) adopted and brought to prominence by the Right is somehow neutral or that it does not embody political correctness?


I was responding to E, who used it as an example of "thought control" as in the fabled "right wing" had somehow legislated the term as a method of restrictive thought control.

To the contrary, the term started as a popular reaction to the actions of the French,
I was unaware that the actions of the owner of a hamburger stand constitutes a "popular reaction"


and (as politicians are wont to do) was picked up by members of the congress, who simply changed the name of certain foods for a limited time in the US House cafeteria.
Curious how only republicrat politicians have been named as the moving force behind changing the name of food in the house cafeteria.

And this qualifies as "thought control"?

Not in my book.

But the "popular narrative" on the loony left is that "French Fries" was outlawed by the repressive Republican Congress doing dastardly deeds in the Middle East.

Bullshit, pure and simply, but it reinforces stereotypes and memes exploited by the LL, so you still see people regurgitate the false meme as if it were gospel.  (points to Owner59)

Firm




thompsonx -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 1:52:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Fargle, fuckin' grow a pair!
Water boarding isn't torture!
We used to do that to each other on "Hell Night" at sea!
And we'd pin someone to the deck and the biggest guy on the ship would drop trou and squat on their face.
And butt pyramids too!
And as for those al qeada "freedom fighters", "freedom" is the LAST thing they want!
What, we have to be "polite" to our enemies now?
Fuck 'em!

popeye:
While I had always heard that sailors liked getting naked and sitting on each others faces I thought it was just some sort of inter-service rivalry meant to denigrate their manhood.  I had no idea it was true...I stand corrected and I do applaud your candor.
thompson




FirmhandKY -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 1:54:15 PM)

Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

popular (adjective):  1 : of or relating to the general public




thompsonx -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 2:36:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

PC these days just refers to the ridiculously long and high-sounding titles that you can attach to anything to make it SOUND better and/or more "equal", but not change the actual nature of the concept.
You are absolutely correct.  You popeye and seeks are among the most politically correct people on these boards.  You would never use words like "nigger,spick,gook,kike etc.  It is far more politically correct to call them by less obviously bigoted terms so you can maintain some semantic claim to credibility.


Garbagemen bcome "Sanitation engineers"
Whores become "escorts" (In the old days, "escort" was the armed guard meant to make sure a given person reached a designated location--for or against their will, depending...Now it's just a dodge from the anti-prostitution laws...)
Which "old days" are you referring to?  It would appear that you attended one of those schools that you constantly claim have been "dummed down"  The word escort is not always an armed guard.  I am really sorry you led such a deprived scholastic regimen.


Stewardesses become "flight attendants"
Some still call them stewardesses and their male counterparts stewards but the term flight attendant is the generic term that describes them both.

(This might have been to justify demanding higher wages, while the pilots' union allowed a pay CUT? Something backwards about that,
Perhaps you might enlighten us as to how much money the pilots were making and how much the flight attendants were making.

but then, of all the things I've been accused of, political correctness is NOT one of them!)
As has been previously mentioned you are one of the more PC posters on these boards.


Terrorists become "insurgents" or even the noble "Freedom Fighters"!
The British referred to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson as "terrorist" while we like to think of them as "Freedom Fighters".


And of course, stereotypes are AUTOMATICALLY bad, xenophobic, evil, and Nazi/Fascist, regardless of if you use the stock stereotypes, or form your own, based on the characters around you. (And believe me, there's a LOT of living stereotypes around here! You could make your own sitcom, just based on the "stereotypes" living around here--I've mentioned that before in other threads, and been called down on it!)
It's also fashionable now to sweep under the rug statistics that would hurt the "feelings" of other groups...Such as if you point out that "minorities" have magically comprised the majority of the prison populations,
I am not sure this is true...would you be so kind as to give us a citation to verify this?


then either you're racist or the System is...NOT that perhaps they FEEL they have nothing to lose by fighting the System, perhaps? Or that they feel their "needs" more strongly, and therefore feel that their "needs" overpower the value of conforming to society's constraints?
Are you referring to the societal constraints imposed by "Plessy v. Ferguson" and struck down by "Brown v. Board of Education"?


(The latter being a popular excuse for illegal aliens--er "undocumented immigrants"![;)]) Or the slightly more ridiculous assertion that our SAT has "cultural bias"
That would seem to be your position considering how much you whine about how little you are paid.


...I can agree partially with that: If your "culture" doesn't value learning English and math (with ARABIC numerals--GASP![;)]), then it will be "biased" against you! However, "cultural sensitivity reforms" have eliminated the analogies part, which would seem to an objective standpoint to be a tacit admission that minorities are somehow less capable at logic problems?
I am sure this must have meant something to you when you wrote it but it has escaped my grasp in its printing.


However, how much can--or should--we handicap the "better" among us to let the "lesser" people catch up?
Perhaps you might tell us just who and how,the "better" among us,  have been "handicapped" by helping the "lesser" people to catch up?

And are we doing ourselves any favors, internationally speaking, by doing so? Other countries seem to do well with a more "Darwinian" educational/legal system,
Which countries are these?


or at least NOT let themselves be guilted into things, blackmailed into it with the amazing threat of, "You better...or we'll call you RACIST!"[:-]
Japan, especially, has a bad case of institutionalized racism, only that they're so much more polite about it, and have even rewritten their own history to show themselves as martyrs, rather than aggressors. (Of course, if Americans hadn't been so "inferior" to them, perhaps we could have helped them "get the message" in ONE nuke, rather than two?)
Perhaps if you had actually studied a little history you would have known that Japan started trying to surrender in 1943.


Or the illegals, marching in our streets for "rights" they haven't earned
How could you possibly know the immigration status of all the people marching in the street? 



(even if "earning" is just standing in a super-long line and paying the fees to the LEGAL employees, rather than they coyotes, and/or returning home when their TEMPORARY visas run out? [;)]) Then demanding "justice", and being SO upset, when the law-enforcers try to give them the justice they're demanding!
I find it curious that you fail to comprehend the difference between justice and assault under color of authority.

(Although to be fair, when have any other class of criminals demanded "justice", or said that their crimes would "help them get a better life"--and actually used that as an excuse--or used their kids to guilt the Law into leaving them alone? If that worked, bank-robbers would just have kids in vast quantities and be forgiven en-masse, since stealing massive amounts of money ALWAYS makes one's life better, and/or ones' kids,
A bank robber steals money and an illegal alien works for the money....why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?


especially now, with the expensive toys hawked on TV! They call it "childrens' programming" perhaps because it programs the children?[;)])
Hell, we don't even have welfare anymore, we have "entitlements"
If that were true then why is the federal agency that administers the entitlements called HEW (Health Education and Welfare)?


--people are "entitled" to money--more money than most entry-level jobs--just for existing?! No wonder people want to sneak into our country! They want a piece of that Gravy Train too!
EVERY culture now, though, wants to be the victim,
You seem to be at the very front of the victim line, constantly whining about how the "scum" is fleecing you.



and wants "reparations" or special protections for it, though, and it just gets wearisome after awhile, especially if you were brought up with such outdated concepts as "taking responsibility"
I would agree you seldom seem to want to take responsibility for your behavior...why is that?

, etc....
And yes, I AM politically incorrect, and have taken a massive pasting for it, past, present, and all predictable futures!
No you have taken a massive pasting for being ill informed,ignorant of history and being a bigot.  You are, as stated previously, one of the most "PC" posters on the board.





thompsonx -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 2:47:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

popular (adjective):  1 : of or relating to the general public

FirmhandKY:
So your position is that the opinion of one man is the opinion of the general public?
thompson




FirmhandKY -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 3:07:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

popular (adjective):  1 : of or relating to the general public

FirmhandKY:
So your position is that the opinion of one man is the opinion of the general public?
thompson


thompson,

Pick a fight with EPGAH if  you wish, but don't try to start one with me over a dictionary definition and common usage of terms.

Surely, you have more important things to fight about, rather than trying (unsuccessfully) to be picky about grammatical constructions in which you really aren't on too a solid ground?

Nice try, though.  [:D]

Firm




RealityLicks -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 3:08:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

My wit having escaped the audience, I must conclude that the thought control has extended further and deeper than I initially thought.

E


Far from it, LE. It was clear from your sentence's structure that you were using "fries" as a verb, not a noun. (More of a pun than an example of wit but let's overlook that. lol)

Back to you Firm - Surely, those who brought this oddly isolated "popular" reaction to public attention are its real authors?




thompsonx -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 3:24:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

popular (adjective):  1 : of or relating to the general public

FirmhandKY:
So your position is that the opinion of one man is the opinion of the general public?
thompson


thompson,

Pick a fight with EPGAH if  you wish, but don't try to start one with me over a dictionary definition and common usage of terms.

Surely, you have more important things to fight about, rather than trying (unsuccessfully) to be picky about grammatical constructions in which you really aren't on too a solid ground?

Nice try, though.  [:D]

Firm


FirmhandKY:
I do not debate and I do not pick fights.
I was simply pointing out the fallacy in your statement.  That fallacy being that the opinion of one man does not represent the opinion of the  general public.
thompson




missturbation -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 3:27:40 PM)

quote:


Subtle humor is not often understood by the politically correct.
thompson

 
Neither is the fact that i am of great beauty and therefore do not need to be politically correct [:D]




FirmhandKY -> RE: Freedom Fries (11/6/2007 3:36:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Back to you Firm - Surely, those who brought this oddly isolated "popular" reaction to public attention are its real authors?



ggeezzz..

Surely ... those who thought of it originally, and used it, and caught the attention of the politicians ... are the real authors?

Firm




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