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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 8:29:34 PM   
TheHeretic


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Well since I am a vet I think I have that right aye?





        Save that for the ones who never served.

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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 8:44:25 PM   
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Well since I am a vet I think I have that right aye?





      Save that for the ones who never served.



Well I am unhappy with what we are doing to our kids.

I am unhappy with the depleted uranium poisoning experiment being performed on our kids.

I am unhappy with the genocide of the iraqis, What is it 1 million and counting?


Video Shows U.S. Soldiers Killing Unarmed Iraqi Civilians
Another proud day in U.S. military history
Witness to a war crime
I ask readers to please forward this video to mainstream media outlets and to those in government demanding that action be taken to investigate this apparent murder of innocent Iraqi civilians. We can not witness murder and not take action without being complicit in the crime!


Fallout from killing of Iraqi civilians will exceed prison scandal
WASHINGTON (AP) — The fallout from the killing of as many as two dozen Iraqi civilians by Marines could undermine U.S. efforts in Iraq more than the Abu Ghraib prison scandal did, a lawmaker who is a prominent war critic said Sunday.


Did Marines Massacre Iraqi Civilians?
Twenty-four Iraqi civilians were killed in their residences last November. Several U.S. Marines could face charges.  (ABCNews.com)


US forces kill Iraqi civilians every day
By James Cogan
17 July 2007


US Continues Killing Iraqi Civilians



and I am unhappy with what its has done to this country, and continues to do to this country.






< Message edited by Real0ne -- 11/11/2007 8:45:12 PM >

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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 8:54:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		       Eddie Slovik was buried with 96 other men executed for crimes such as murder and rape.  Should we have pulled out of France, too?

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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 9:03:00 PM   
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     Eddie Slovik was buried with 96 other men executed for crimes such as murder and rape.  Should we have pulled out of France, too?


nah he was the only one executed as I remember 

and it was for desertion wasnt it?

US Marines Shoot Injured Iraqi - Then Cheer "It felt good"





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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 9:03:29 PM   
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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 9:05:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		        Slovik was the only one executed for desertion.  Plenty of others got the death sentence for other crimes.

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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 9:24:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please RealOne don’t think I am defending the war but I will defend our boys and girls…I do believe we are wrong to be there….Now I only clicked one video you posted…It looked like an edited propaganda film produced by anti war or Iraqi sympathizers.
Here there is a wounded man…you can’t tell if he is armed or not…in fact you do not know any circumstance of the encounter… Could he have been crawling for cover…could he of been a combatant… could be ready to blow himself up when approached…If I were in a firefight and shooting at a man that had been shooting at me… I hit him and thought he could be playing possum or getting away or waiting for me to approach…I would have shot him again too.

Then the interview could have been anyone…we saw no faces in the video…or their comments could have been out of context…hell who knows.

Now the video may be everything it insinuates or it may be pure propaganda for gullible people.

You just cannot believe what you see and hear anymore…it is too easy to alter photos and video.
Butch

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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 9:36:20 PM   
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US Army are Idiots! WAR CRIMES IN IRAQ (shooting the bus)


War Crimes Caught on Video


US Committing war crime - Bombing a mosque


U.S.M.C staff sergent describes U.S war crimes in Iraq

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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 9:49:57 PM   
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I dont know if it was an editorial of some sort or faked since its not like I hopped on a plane and did a full investigation of this guy.  He apparently is going to rallies so what can I say.   I am amazed how skeptical people are of other citizens and trusting people are of the government and news media.

Did the news media show you stuff I just did?   Are they talking about the poisoning of our kids?  Both in mind, soul and body?  Killing innocent people is no longer a crime appraently in the minds of most americans.

If we cannot believe what we hear and see then why are we at war in the first place?   For 5 gallons of sarin?

We have nearly a quarter million of our kids coming back from iraq 1 with du poisoning, (gulf ar syndrome).

We are up to 1 million dead iraqis in the name of terrorism, and going down in history as another nazi regime in the eyes of the world, but thats ok i guess.


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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 9:50:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		     Uh-huh.  Found this just for you, Real.

http://www.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/dp/dppapers/lil.dirty.details

      Should we have pulled the troops out of England as well?



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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 10:08:26 PM   
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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 10:12:50 PM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		If your efforts to dismiss an opposing viewpoint, you forget the essential fact that there is a PROVEN 9/11 Conspiracy.

It involved 15 Saudi Citizens and a handful of other people to hijack some airplanes.

So, you are 100% correct, in that sense. However being wrong about A, B or C, doesn't tell you anything about the status of D, E, or F, does it?


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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 10:31:57 PM   
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     http://www.collarchat.com/m_1016053/mpage_1/key_war%252Cterror%252Cfront/tm.htm#1016053


  On Veterans Day, Real?  No quarter.


from your link

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

   Here is a more complete snip from the article in the OP.


In addition, MEMRI researchers monitoring jihadi Web sites have recently found Islamists trying to influence American anti-war efforts. On the Islamist Al-Mohajroon Web site, someone with the username Al-Wathiq Billah instructs readers on how to infiltrate popular American Internet forums to distribute jihadist films and spread disinformation about the war.
"There is no doubt, my brothers, that raiding American forums is among the most important means of obtaining victory in the fierce media war ... and of influencing the views of the weak-minded American who pays his taxes so they will go to the infidel American army. This American is an idiot and does not know where Iraq is ... Every electronic mujahid" must engage in this raiding, Mr. Billah writes.
Mr. Billah advises his jihadist readers to "register yourself using a purely American name" and to "invent stories about American soldiers you have personally known (as classmates... or members in a club who played baseball and tennis with you) who were drafted to Iraq and then committed suicide while in service by hanging or shooting themselves." The writing should, he says, provoke "frustration and anger towards their government, which will ... render them hostile to Bush ... and his Republican Party, and make them feel they must vote to bring the troops back from Iraq as soon as possible."
     


Are they the same jihadists that made this propaganda film?


Strategic Communication Laboratories has pioneered a new methodology to enable governments and countries to manage their relationships with their key audience groups through more powerful communication.
http://www.scl.cc/home.php


Now they may not have found weapons of mass destruction in iraq but they certainly found weapons of mass delusion in america.







< Message edited by Real0ne -- 11/11/2007 10:34:48 PM >

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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 10:39:35 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		        Real, I'll worry about the second link when there's nobody like you or Fargle running around the internet.  You're my canary.

       Spare me the WTC crap.  The credibility gap is insurmountable.

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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 10:52:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		       Dragging this thing back towards the OP:

      He may be described as AWOL in the introduction and thread title, but if you force youself to watch to the interview, he plainly admits he has deserted and has no intention to return.

      Hard time for this little bitch...

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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 10:52:54 PM   
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      Real, I'll worry about the second link when there's nobody like you or Fargle running around the internet.  You're my canary.

     Spare me the WTC crap.  The credibility gap is insurmountable.


Oh well if you buy that an aluminum plane with a thin fiberglass nose can fly right on through a steel and concrete building and come out the other side in pristine condition then I thank you for making my case for weapons of mass delusion.

Oh and speaking of I couldnt resist plugging it into goog.

Scott Ritter: Weapons of Mass Delusion

Scott was one of the weapons inspectors in iraq

enjoy






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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 10:58:11 PM   
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Oh well if you buy that an aluminum plane with a thin fiberglass nose can fly right on through a steel and concrete building and come out the other side in pristine condition then I thank you for making my case for weapons of mass delusion.




         And if your grasp of engineering and simple physics is so poor as to think it would just bounce off, I'm glad I'm a couple thousand miles away from your science experiments.

      If you can't stay away from it, have fun.

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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 11:03:01 PM   
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The credibility gap is insurmountable.


Yes I agree.  To go to war and occupy afghanastan and Iraq for what the saudis did under the guise of weapons of mass destruction is abhorent.

Further people thinking the democrats who ran under the guise of getting us out of iraq and now giving it lip service would indicate unified two party delusion.

I would suggest the american people have been victims of mass delusion.

So when will the world send in the weapons of Mass Delusion inspectors to arm us?





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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 11:16:08 PM   
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Oh well if you buy that an aluminum plane with a thin fiberglass nose can fly right on through a steel and concrete building and come out the other side in pristine condition then I thank you for making my case for weapons of mass delusion.




        And if your grasp of engineering and simple physics is so poor as to think it would just bounce off, I'm glad I'm a couple thousand miles away from your science experiments.

     If you can't stay away from it, have fun.


I have never once said implied or even thought anything of the sort.  I am not the one who suckered into 911, "invincible planes" that fly through steel buildings, ignoring explosions that can be seen blowing them up, flight 93/77 "vaporizing" into thin air and that swerrowy, rascawy osama bin wabbit who infwiltwated norad and made them lie to the 911 commission.   he is onw sneaky waskwowy wabbit!  LMAO!  You know the 911 commission busted norad dont you?  Hear of anyone being prosecuted for it?

That osama, he is one sneaky wabbit to do all that!

At least we can be comfortable knowing that we got all those oh yeh going on plural now, million(s) of iraqi civilians... err i mean terrorists on the run.





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RE: Open Letter to the Government from an AWOL Soldier - 11/11/2007 11:17:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		       Well, duh, Real.  But if the grand scheme is "a better world for those who are left," what makes you think your approach will make the cut?

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