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ORIGINAL: delawareman

ThompsonX: Jumping out of a perfectly good airplane aint bad. Stand up, hook up, shuffle to the door

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ORIGINAL: TheGorenSociety

Coin Check!!! How many soldiers hate some of the orders they are given? With out discipline, chaos will become the standard.  I am not against anyone voicing their freedom or voicing their opinion. I think none of us vets will ever deny anyone of that right. How ever this coward took the easy way out,
This "coward" spent a year "in country" and six years active.  Are you suggesting that a sgt. with six years in the military would not be aware of the consequences of desertion?  Are you suggesting that it takes less courage to face twenty years in prison than to slip into your body armor and shoulder your weapon and join your peers in another mission?  A mission in which you are better armed and outnumber your opposition.  A mission that you can call superior firepower to bear both from artillery and airborne assets?

instead of doing his duty and driving on with the mission, he chose to abandon his fellow soldiers.
Hyperbole at it's best....he was in the states when he deserted.


I  state, he could be seen  as giving aid to the enemy.
The enemy is bush&co.  By your definition anyone who disagrees with the war would be giving "aid to the enemy".

Luckily he was not engaged in a fire fight at the moment he chose flight.
Pretty hard to be engaged in a fire fight while stateside.

I will state once again, he signed on the dotted line, he took an oath, he betrayed his fellow soldiers, he is a buddy fucker through and through, he is a coward and deserves no mercy or quarter.
Was he a "coward" during the year he spent "in country"?  Was he a "coward" during his six years of active service?

He has betrayed  every member of our brother hood.
Are you speaking of the "brotherhood" of mankind to which we all owe an allegiance or the "brotherhood" of uniformed and uninformed thugs that bush&co. has sent to Iraq to fuck their women and steal their dope?


Like most on this thread, I agree with their sentiment.I have spent many a day in my mind fighting what I thought was wrong with our commanders in command, I did my duty, always have, always will.
What "duty" are you speaking of?  The same duty that they hung the thugs for at Nuremberg?

This guy  lacks the intestinal fortitude,  morality, integrity and the where with all  required to go and complete the mission.
Once again you seem to ignore the fact that he spent a year in country and six years active.

 As for my time in ME, been there done that, got nothing but shrapnel and a stupid t shirt. I am a beret wearing, card carrying, coin tossing , Army Airborne Ranger an Special Forces person. To my fellow special ops brethren, DE OPRESSO LIBER.  
If that is true you also got a purple VA card.


For the record, we are just The latest combatants to soil our blood on that land they call the Middle East. The present Commander in Chief is a bone head, He is in my book a coward, war dodging braggart,he lacks integrity and honor. He swallowed the hook, line and sinker. He and his crew walked into the biggest chess game that has ever been played and got ambushed. Leadership means, one is willing to pay the price to ensure his men are safe. Has anyone of these yahoooooo's lead by example???So far the current leadership in America, by both the government and corporate America is a free for all, at the expense of our fellow citizens. I do not trust anyone who places our country, our citizens, myself or our  fellow brothers, at the hands of power hungry,greedy, materialistic zealots, religious or not.
I agree with you completely.

 The real sad fact today is now, even the lowest soldier,  must submit to the lawyers on ever action. While they sit on their collective asses  somewhere safe, not being shot or blown up.  ROE makes soldiers today, a scape goat anytime something goes wrong.
Rules Of Engagement are the rules by which we fight.  We are "civilized" and have all kinds of rules for how we conduct ourselves during war.  Disobey the ROE and you are by definition a "war criminal"  If you don't like it don't join.

The whole point of war is to defeat a enemy by any means possible.
This is not true and if you had been in the military you would know it.  We spend a lot of time and energy teaching our military that there are rules.  No dum dum bullets,no murder of POW's,no murder of non combatants...you know all the stuff they teach in boot camp.  That is the difference between thugs and soldiers.

Once you change that standard, you have already lost.
That "standard" has never existed for the American military in your life time.

We, the American people will pay that price some day soon. Hopefully their will be enough of us old farts left, to pick up the pieces, raise the flag and restore the constitution, to it's right full heirs.THE PEOPLEWanna really show your distaste of the dishonorable?  Have every veteran and their families on the voting day, walk away from the voting booth in unison, walk away from the booth without choosing one greedy lying dishonorable excuse. Maybe just maybe, the rest of our fellow citizens will get the message that we are tired of our spilled blood being used by the idiots they support.
We do that now. Less than half of the eligible voters vote. The reason?  They do not see a choice.


If my country once again calls me to arms, I will do my duty. Rangers Lead the Way !!!!!
Your duty to do what?  Every war the U.S. has been in we have started or provoked our involvement.

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ORIGINAL: delawareman

Wow ThompsonX you sure have a lot of anger
Nah...I am not angry.  I got over being angry a long time ago before I got old.  Now I am just amused anymore by what the assholes will do next.  Reminds me of the "black knight" in Monty Python& the holy grail.



and spend a lot of time defending a deserter. I have to agree with everyone else. He put his name on the line. Whether or not he served in country has nothing to do with whether or not he is cowardly. Everyone has a duty to humanity, agreed, however those in the military have a duty to their country when they take the oath as long as it is in accordance with the UCMJ.
I guess it depends on where one puts their priorities.

Yes I agree that Gorean Society may not have been an Airborne Ranger since all the Army now wears berets (rangers just wear tan ones and airborne units wear maroon) and the 75th Ranger Regiment is special operations, not SF. Static lines are also how most jumps are done including airborne school... I certainly have the talent to pull the cord - I was kidding around but I see that has no place with you tough guy.
Never said I was a tough guy.

Where are your credentials asshole?
I've got a library card, will that help?