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Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 5:01:53 PM

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So if a cop comes to your door and asks to search your teenager's room to see if he or she is hiding a gun, do you let him in? That's what a new program (called "Safe Homes") police in Boston plan to do to prevent school shootings and take guns out of kid's hands

...all without search warrants. Apparently they think parents are too afraid to search their own teen's room, so they may allow police to do it.

Civil liberty groups are already crying foul...."Our biggest concern is the notion of informed consent," said Amy Reichbach, a racial justice advocate at the American Civil Liberties Union. "People might not understand the implications of weapons being tested or any contraband being found."

Police will rely primarily on tips from neighbors. They will also follow tips from the department's anonymous hot line and investigators' own intelligence to decide what doors to knock on.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/11/17/police_to_search_for_guns_in_homes/

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 5:33:19 PM

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That sucks six ways from Sunday

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 5:39:28 PM

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Gee, don't the adults of the household have to "allow" them in for any of this to take place? As it turns out, you are free to waive of any of your civil rights at any time. You are also free to relinquish your responsibilities as a parent and to turn them over to the policing authorities.

But why would you?

This is a non-story.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 5:39:45 PM

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In my opinion, they should still have to do it the old fashioned way--by showing reasonable cause for such an invasion of privacy, and getting a search warrant.

Searching someone's room, based on the word of 'neighbors' and such, is complete bullshit.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 5:40:58 PM

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Uhhh, noone has to let them in.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 5:42:50 PM

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Reading that actually nauseated Me. And it scares Me...
This is what the American public allows. I was shocked to read that this is even being halfway tolerated. I was more shocked to read that St. Louis had a similar program for several years which is now no longer in effect.
Edited to add: Yes, the adults to have to permit entrance and the search. Unfortunately there is some truth to the concern that many who will be affected by this "Safe Homes" program will automatically permit it without thinking that they have the right to refuse. And it is being done under the guise of "helping" these parents, because, obviously they are too cowed to handle it on their own...so Nanny will do it for them. Just be sure you don't piss off your neighbor...else your name will the next one mentioned on the "tip line". Some (too many) people can be lulled into anything if it's presented in a certain light. It wouldn't work with Me, but it seems the same sort of program was was well received for a time in St. Louis! Another step forward for the "gun control" agenda.
goddess help us all...
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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 5:52:19 PM

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Well,haven`t things changed , since 9/11?

Isn`t that the standard excuse used today?

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 5:54:22 PM

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While I agree that some may let them in, most people in this country do know that officers cannot enter their home without a warrant, or permission to enter. If the parents are too scared to stop the police, these may be the same ones that have the children out of control with the guns, shrugs, who knows. I only know My home, and they would not enter at their whim or a neighbors, or anyone elses.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 5:58:03 PM

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quote:

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Uhhh, noone has to let them in.

What if the parents aren't home to stop it? Or if the parents are clueless as to the laws?

Illlegal search and seizure happens every day--Nevermind a movement making it acceptable to do so without a warrant, based on the word of 'neighbors'.

On edit: I see you covered this above.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 6:02:52 PM

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So the cops would bust the door down if noone was home? Yes it would be sad if the parents are clueless. Hopefully they studied about government in some form or fashion in school or something, these are the some of the basic rights of the American people. It is truly shameful if they do not know what those are. Hopefully the papers that are publicizing what is happening will touch on that, but possibly not, so someone does not sue them for giving legal advice without a license.

On the other hand, although I disagree with their tactics, there is a growing problem with schools and guns. No, this is not the solution, but do you have one that would work? The parents do have the option, it is their unfortunate loss if they do not know what their options are.

edited to add; I was typing while you were typing your edit, lol.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 6:04:25 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Reading that actually nauseated Me. And it scares Me...
And it is being done under the guise of "helping" these parents, because, obviously they are too cowed to handle it on their own...

Well, it's true that a lot of parents of troubled kids haven't a clue as to how to deal with them. If a parent voluntarily calls the police to ask for help, that's a little bit different.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 6:05:58 PM

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All I know is I'd let you in without a warrant.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 6:06:06 PM

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What civil liberties groups are worried about is that parents might feel intimidated when police come to the door and ask to search their kids rooms. Remember this is probably going to take place in poorer neighborhoods where people dont know all their rights. The parents will automatically think their kid did something wrong and let the police do the search.

Obviously if they have no warrant, there is no probable cause. And I dont see how this is supposed to solve anything.

This is just Big Brother trying to get a peak in your house.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 6:09:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Reading that actually nauseated Me. And it scares Me...
This is what the American public allows. I was shocked to read that this is even being halfway tolerated. I was more shocked to read that St. Louis had a similar program for several years which is now no longer in effect.

Gold, you have to understand that we're talking about "Kennedy Country" here.
"MOONBAT Central."
These are the people who will vote for Hillary Clinton if they get the chance! lol
Not the brightest bulbs on the tree.
And they complain about the Patriot Act? lolol
The Boston Cops and politicians up there, mostly Democrats want *ALL* guns off the streets, it doesn't matter if the gun is legal or not!
They'll try to take it anyway.
"Warrants? We don't need no stinkin' warrants, we're the Boston Police!"
And what is a "racial justice advocate?" Is that like a "neighborhood organizer?" Only in Boston!

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 6:09:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

What civil liberties groups are worried about is that parents might feel intimidated when police come to the door and ask to search their kids rooms. Remember this is probably going to take place in poorer neighborhoods where people dont know all their rights. The parents will automatically think their kid did something wrong and let the police do the search.

Obviously if they have no warrant, there is no probable cause. And I dont see how this is supposed to solve anything.

This is just Big Brother trying to get a peak in your house.

That was pretty much my reaction too, CD.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 6:16:52 PM

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Agreed. And you know, My dear friend, if this was being approached in another way, I honestly would not have aproblem. For instance, if the police were working together with the local community and offering to "help" upon invitation. They can say they are available to search homes upon request I just don't like the fact that they are inviting themselves, and I especially don't like that there are people who think this is perfectly acceptable. It is the presumption, yet again, that people are too stupid to realize what is good for the, so Nanny will do it for them.

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But Davis said the point of the program, dubbed Safe Homes, is to make streets safer, not to incarcerate people.
"This isn't evidence that we're going to present in a criminal case," said Davis, who met with community leaders yesterday to get feedback on the program. "This is a seizing of a very dangerous object. . . .
"I understand people's concerns about this, but the mothers of the young men who have been arrested with firearms that I've talked to are in a quandary," he said. "They don't know what to do when faced with the problem of dealing with a teenage boy in possession of a firearm. We're giving them an option in that case."

I disagree that they are giving them an option. I see it as deciding that the mothers are not doing anything or are incapable of learning how to handle it, so the police will. Not by offering assistance if requested, or a special community awareness program that is optional, but by stating "we are going to do this to make sure the streets are safer, and you have the right to not let us, but..."
And people allow it to happen, because they have become unable to not depend on the government to take care of everythjng and keep everyone safe.
In St Louis, it appears the program started to fall apart because funding ran out, and the support was waning, especially in view of the fact that police began using their own intelligence, as opposed to offering a "public service" and relying on neighborhood tips. We are very fortunate in this country that we take for granted that they cannot do this without our permission. As long as permission continues to be given, little by little, we are then only one step away from losing the freedom altogether.
It worries Me.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 6:26:15 PM

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GoddessDustyGold ....I’m from St. Louis and I don’t remember a program like that… could be but I don’t remember it.
I just don’t understand what the problem is with this type of request … It is voluntary and there is a reason for it. The very people that are against this type of law will be the first to criticize a police force when some nutty kid blows his friends away at school or the playground. If they knocked on my door I’d be glad to show them in...Hell I’d even lie out my paddles and dildos for them.
I also see nothing wrong with a national ID… it could replace all the various numbers I have to keep track of.
If I receive repeated phone calls from Iran I should be checked out…hell if I received them I would be reporting them…Damn have some trust!!!
Yes I want my guns but I’m not worried about my own government attacking me…I’d be a hell of a lot more worried about a civil liberty nut going off the deep end like they often do… too many fanatics in this world. My guns are for hunting and to blow the head off a burglar…I don’t need a concealable handgun… machine gun… or tank… my legal anyplace shotgun will do just fine.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 6:27:20 PM

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Goddess the article also noted that in St louis the people were told that they would get follow up help if their kids were carrying guns, and that part never materialized, as part of the reason the originally supported program lost support.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 6:38:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Gold, you have to understand that we're talking about "Kennedy Country" here.
"MOONBAT Central."
These are the people who will vote for Hillary Clinton if they get the chance! lol
Not the brightest bulbs on the tree.
And they complain about the Patriot Act? lolol
The Boston Cops and politicians up there, mostly Democrats want *ALL* guns off the streets, it doesn't matter if the gun is legal or not!
They'll try to take it anyway.
"Warrants? We don't need no stinkin' warrants, we're the Boston Police!"
And what is a "racial justice advocate?" Is that like a "neighborhood organizer?" Only in Boston!

*Laffing* I took special note of the location, but decided not to mention it! I am already being argued with enough regarding this whole thing.

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RE: Boston cops look to search without warrants - 11/17/2007 6:39:03 PM

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So.. this program.. do parents consent, thus the absense of search warrents, or police can just enter, regardless?

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