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Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/18/2007 11:33:42 PM

subfever

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A huge shipment of newly minted Liberty Dollars with RON PAUL'S
face on them, along with about a million dollars in gold, silver,
and platinum was recently stolen by... guess who? Yup... our own
government!

These Ron Paul dollars were just about to be distributed. What a
coincidence. Golly gee, you don't think the PTB would arrange to
have them stolen to help keep an actual Constitutionalist out of
power, do you?

Funny, I haven't heard anything about this on the mainstream news.
Have you?

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2007/nov/15/liberty-dollar-office-raided/

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/18/2007 11:38:24 PM

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I keep seeing things about Ron Paul, and I feel extremely ignorant for having to ask, But who is Ron Paul?

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/18/2007 11:40:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mellissande

I keep seeing things about Ron Paul, and I feel extremely ignorant for having to ask, But who is Ron Paul?

He's a US House Representative from Texas running for President.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/18/2007 11:44:04 PM

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ok, Thank you so much. I'm in the boat of "as long as it's not Bush or Clinton" I will be looking up his stances.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/18/2007 11:56:39 PM

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Senator, not Representative.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 12:02:48 AM

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Hmm... I'll check in the morning.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 6:46:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome

Senator, not Representative.

No, Representative. 14th district.
http://www.house.gov/paul/

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 6:47:29 AM

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a living person cant be featured on US curency!

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 6:51:53 AM

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I like Ron Paul, but this is not related to his campaign at all. This was a bunch of nuts printing their own money and claiming to have gold and silver reserves in Idaho to back it up. We are never going back to the gold or silver standard, and we shouldn't. However there are a few people that don't understand modern economics that claim we should. These people were warned several times to stop trying to make their own money.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 7:08:29 AM

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I like Ron Paul, but this is not related to his campaign at all. This was a bunch of nuts printing their own money and claiming to have gold and silver reserves in Idaho to back it up. We are never going back to the gold or silver standard, and we shouldn't. However there are a few people that don't understand modern economics that claim we should. These people were warned several times to stop trying to make their own money.

Didn't the British ban this practice and wasn't it one of the reasons the revolutionary war was fought over?

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 7:11:20 AM

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By putting out their own money, and trying to pass it off as legal tender, of course they would be arrested. Only the government has the right to issue money. If you went into the store and paid for your groceries with this, you would be liable for paying them again with legal money and out whatever you had paid to get the funny money.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 7:30:01 AM

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By putting out their own money, and trying to pass it off as legal tender, of course they would be arrested.

IIRC, they VERY EXPLICITLY were not pitching their Gold/Silver/Copper coins as Legal Tender. They're base-metal coins.

They *did* however have notes, backed by reserves. Which I never really understood the benefit to the barterer for.

The "Ron Paul Dollars were copper, IIRC. which, at 3.00USD/pound works out to .20USD each ( irrespective of Seniorage and bulk discounting. ) That's dodgy.

Silver Canadian Maple Leafs .9999 pure. That's the way to go...

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 9:31:51 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

I like Ron Paul, but this is not related to his campaign at all. This was a bunch of nuts printing their own money and claiming to have gold and silver reserves in Idaho to back it up. We are never going back to the gold or silver standard, and we shouldn't. However there are a few people that don't understand modern economics that claim we should. These people were warned several times to stop trying to make their own money.

Hmm, and who exactly "warned" them?

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 10:38:58 AM

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The whole liberty dollar group is a scam. They used to be called NORFED. They are white supremists. They are afiliated with Ron Paul. They did come up with a neat way to get fools to buy Metals from them at inflated prices above the market value. Its eally a great idea. they put out all this nonsense, and see who beleives it. then they know they have a good mark to sell to. And guess what, they accept "worthless" Greenback dollars in exchange for their "Real" money

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 11:20:40 AM

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quote:

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The whole liberty dollar group is a scam. They used to be called NORFED. They are white supremists. They are afiliated with Ron Paul. They did come up with a neat way to get fools to buy Metals from them at inflated prices above the market value. Its eally a great idea. they put out all this nonsense, and see who beleives it. then they know they have a good mark to sell to. And guess what, they accept "worthless" Greenback dollars in exchange for their "Real" money

They aren't affiliated with Ron Paul. They put his face on one of there coins that's the extent of Ron Paul's involvement. Of course they'd put his face on one, obviously they are trying to tap into the crowd that wants a return to the Gold Standard and Ron Paul supports a variation of that. But Ron Paul neither owns, nor directed, nor was involved in the production, design, nor the distribution of the coins ever.

Please show how they are affliated with him. I believe the best evidence you will muster is his visage on a coin they produced themselves without his involvement for their benefit. And I believe they were at the same money conference years ago, and bumbed into each other and spoke for a few minutes.

I'll check back later to see what you have.

Quote from people actually affiliated with Ron Paul.

"We were aware they existed, but we didn't have any affiliation with them," said Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Ron Paul's campaign. "He didn't ask our permission to make them."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/16/illegal-ron-paul-currency-seized/

This article above is from CNN, and they aren't exactly overflowing with love for Ron Paul. Notice Headline Reads like the coins were Ron Paul's, but even they don't say he's affiliated in the article(they imply by the headline, but don't go as far as to slander him in the actual article) and quoted the Ron Paul spokesman about it.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 11:43:32 AM

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I too would like to see the documentation on Paul's affiliation with white supremacists.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 11:45:44 AM

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lies and red herrings.

LOL.... why does luckydog1 pretend they are not?

Ron

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 12:37:50 PM

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So this company is using his likeness and name with out his permission? Ron Paul never even knew they were doing it? Sorry I do not buy that at all, you can if you want. Ron Pual could have asked thm to stop and sued for dmages if he wanted to. He didn't. I call that an affiliation, though I suppose that is an opinion. If you think him allowing them to use his name and likeness to raise money is not an affiliation, we simply disagree.

As to my allegation... Liberty Dollar is NORFED http://www.norfed.org/ "Finally, when it became obvious that the political baggage of NORFED was a hindrance to the Liberty Dollar becoming the everyday currency of choice for millions of Americans, NORFED was dissolved and this site was created as the historic site. "

The politcal baggae they refer to was the linking of many of the leaders to White Supremist groups, mainly of the anti Jew variety. Simply look at the anti semites on these boards that regualrly push Liberty Dollars.

If you disagree, invest in some Liberty Dollars.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 12:46:10 PM

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If people want to change things, they must make a donation to Ron's campaign, get a Ron Paul Dollar and support him right now.
All this will be a big surprise to Dr. Paul. As Liberty Dollar's legal counsel pointed out, if Ron Paul's campaign was informed before the launch date, the Federal Election Commission could require profits in excess of $2,300 (the maximum individual donation allowed) to be distributed to the Republican Party! So the Ron Paul Dollar was created as an "independent contribution"

So are you saying that the King of Hawaii and his descendants are also white supremacists because they didn't stop Norfed from using his likeness on their previous 'inflation proof currency' scam?

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I wanted to create a totally new inflation proof currency that met the demands of the free market in precious metals and would represent real gold and silver stored in an independent warehouse. I called my secret project the "Hawaiian Sovereign Currency".
Oh, it was beautiful with the Statue of Kamehamaha and all the flora of Hawaii.

http://www.libertydollar.org/

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 12:52:46 PM

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There's a bad smell around some of this white supremacy thing, but no the evidence is not overwhelming.

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Quotes from "The Ron Paul Survivor Report":

"Opinion polls show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."

"We are constantly told it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."

"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males who have been raised and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3625

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Ron Paul with white supremacist Dr. Robert Clarkson:

http://www.patriotnetwork.info/Leaders.htm
or
http://www.patriotnetwork.info/images/leaders/PaulRon-n-ClarksonRob.jpg

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Point:
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3625

Counterpoint:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/15/to-his-dismay-ron-paul-b_n_68575.html

[edit: I found the reader comments interesting in both cases. So, it's all supposedly down to a ghostwriter. It's not that I don't believe that explanation, it's that I think it means that Ron Paul is *STILL* responsible for things he allowed to be written in his name. I mean, it was his newsletter for fuck's sake. Dr. No needs to take responsibility.]

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Here's some good commentary, fairly even-handed, plus a video:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/06/paul/

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Ron Paul's Kucinich endorsement (almost):
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2007/11/01/ron-paul-talks-about-dennis-kucinich-video/

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People have asked me to state who I might vote for since I bash Paul so roundly - well, that's a tough question. I might vote for Kucinich if he ends up having anything other than a snowball's chance of surviving hell. I doubt that will happen. Like almost everyone else, I will hold my nose and vote for whomever stinks the least. I doubt that will be Paul. I doubt that it will be a Republican. I would also tend not to vote for Hillary or Obama (Id rather just throw my vote away on an independent in that case).

What people have to understand is that American politics is not catastrophic in its nature nor was it ever intended to be. Change happens incrementally, if at all. That's why it's so important not to let things become what they are - because you can't easily take it back again without something like a bloody revolution. The process is simply not set up to make radical shifts in the direction we are currently headed.

Given that change will come slowly if at all and while ignoring the possibility of revolutionary change (although there may yet come a time when that becomes everyone's focus), I will most likely vote for what gets me the most bang for my buck.

I will vote for the best Universal Healthcare package. I am not currently very satisfied with what's on offer at this time. But as income taxes aren't going to go away, greenbacks will be our currency for the foreseeable future and while the military industrial complex continues to own our legislature and executive branches then what I want in exchange for my continued support for all of that bullshit is Universal Healthcare.

And I still probably won't get it anyway.

The government will just continue to fuck us in the ass without so much as the courtesy of a reach-around.

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