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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 12:55:31 PM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		Alumbrado, there is no king of Hawaii.  The last queen disovled the Monarchy long ago.  One of the founders of NORFED worked for the Hawaiin Commerative Mint (HMC) long ago.  Then he left to set up NORFED.  NORFED had nothing to do with the Hawaiin Commemerative Mint or the descendants Kamehameha or any other Hawaiian Royalty.  Also the liknesses of Kamahameha have passed into Public domain at this point, IIRC (but I could be wrong on that).

Also I never saw anything from the HCM, where they pretended it was an inflation proof money scheme.  They never pretended that you could use them in place of regular dollars.  They were clearly marked as collector items, not as money.  they were very clear that you were paying a lot more than the metal was worth to get the engravings.  They were/are sold as art.

Now alumbrado, have you looked at the Liberty Dollar plan? Can you actually say it is anything more than a scam?

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 1:11:01 PM   
Alumbrado


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Status: offline 		I am the one who called it a scam.

I am the one who provided links to the libertydollar.org page, and quotes on the planned Kamehameha likeness.

Your claims as to what you 'never saw' on the pages where everyone else can clearly read, are as unconvincing as the straw man of bringing up the actual Hawaiian Mint and pretending that I said they were Norfed.

You are the one who proclaimed Ron Paul's white supremacist affiliation, and haven't backed up that assertion with anything other than a pathetic attempt to evade responsibility by using dishonest high school debate tactics, thereby demonstrating conclusively that you haven't got anything other than lies and red herrings behind your trollage.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 1:13:42 PM   
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What people have to understand is that American politics is not catastrophic in its nature nor was it ever intended to be. Change happens incrementally, if at all. That's why it's so important not to let things become what they are - because you can't easily take it back again without something like a bloody revolution. The process is simply not set up to make radical shifts in the direction we are currently headed.

Given that change will come slowly if at all and while ignoring the possibility of revolutionary change (although there may yet come a time when that becomes everyone's focus), I will most likely vote for what gets me the most bang for my buck.

I will vote for the best Universal Healthcare package. I am not currently very satisfied with what's on offer at this time. But as income taxes aren't going to go away, greenbacks will be our currency for the foreseeable future and while the military industrial complex continues to own our legislature and executive branches then what I want in exchange for my continued support for all of that bullshit is Universal Healthcare.

And I still probably won't get it anyway.



You owe John Mayer royalties.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 1:46:33 PM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		Alumbrado, you said,

"So are you saying that the King of Hawaii and his descendants are also white supremacists because they didn't stop Norfed from using his likeness on their previous 'inflation proof currency' scam? "

First I am saying nothing of the sort.  And second you are inserting a lie into your question.   That is dishonest and frankly below a high school level of debate.  I expect better from you Alumbrado.  Norfed had/has absolutly nothing to do with the Hawaiian Commererative Coins.  Nothing at all.  Except that the founder of NORFED got the idea while working for them.  Then quit and left state to start NORFED.  The Hawaiian coins are in no way a scam.  I notice that in your quoting, you cut out the part where he says he  kept his idea (which became NORFED) a secret from the HCM.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 2:00:12 PM   
MasDom


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It will pay out more in the years to come then gold ever will.
For me I prefer the rifle myself.
      More bang for any ones buck.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 2:55:39 PM   
Alumbrado


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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Alumbrado, you said,

"So are you saying that the King of Hawaii and his descendants are also white supremacists because they didn't stop Norfed from using his likeness on their previous 'inflation proof currency' scam? "

First I am saying nothing of the sort.  And second you are inserting a lie into your question.   That is dishonest and frankly below a high school level of debate.  I expect better from you Alumbrado.  Norfed had/has absolutly nothing to do with the Hawaiian Commererative Coins.  Nothing at all.  Except that the founder of NORFED got the idea while working for them.  Then quit and left state to start NORFED.  The Hawaiian coins are in no way a scam.  I notice that in your quoting, you cut out the part where he says he  kept his idea (which became NORFED) a secret from the HCM.





Tappity tappity tappity tappity... Same old  LD. 

No proof of your white supremacist assertion, and the claim that Paul is a racist because he didn't stop Norfed is as equally ridiculous as the claim that the Hawaiians are racists for the same 'failure'. 
But you stick by the former while making a straw man out of the latter. 

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 3:14:48 PM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		Yes it is the same old LD here, just dealing with facts and logic, and calling out lies and burning strawmen.....there was no link between the HCM and NORFED.  Never, only you made that up.

I never said RP was a racist, that's Sugar saying that.  I said Liberty Dollar (formerly NORFED) is affliated with RP.  And I said that NORFED is afar right wing white supremist group.  And I stand by it.

Most of RP supporters are either 911 kooks or right wing anti government/white supremists.  I do not think RP is either of those, but he depends on them for funding and support.

RP absolutly has the power to say "do not use my name and picture".  I imagine he could sue if it was done totally with out his permission.  He chooses not to.  We can all draw our own conclusions from him not caring about them using his name and picture to make money, to fund right wing causes.

Argue with what I actually said Alumbrado, don't make strawmen to argue with.

And yet again....there was no link between the HCM and NORFED. 

"No proof of your white supremacist assertion, and the claim that Paul is a racist because he didn't stop Norfed is as equally ridiculous as the claim that the Hawaiians are racists for the same 'failure'. "  

NORFED had nothing to do with Hawaiin coins.  Your attempt to compare the 2 is nonsense, and frankly beneath you Alumbrado.  NORFED never made a hawaiin comerative coin.  There was no failure to stop them, as it never happened.

Is that all you can really come up with?

Lets review, RP could stop NORFED from using his name and picture, he chooses not to, and he chooses to pretend he did not even know.

NORFED is a right wing group with ties to white supremists.  IF you disagree and think they are a good group, so be it.  Why don't you actually assert that?

There is no tie between NORFED and the HCM, so your attempt to make a case of equivilancy is nonsense.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 3:21:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not just me saying that. Frankly, Paul it all said himself through his newsletter. Now that he's got some traction to his bid for the presidency it all comes out because people want to know what they are getting in their next Prez. Either he, or someone working for him and in his name, has made actual racist remarks.

It just is so.

The Republicans have generally relied upon extreme patriot, racist and religious groups as their main base. To me that's just a fact.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 3:25:26 PM   
Alumbrado


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Status: offline 		Lies and red herrings.  You own the claim that Ron Paul is a white supremacist, and everything since, including your new assertion that I must be a  white supremacist, only makes you look like a pathetic and dishonest troll.

Look at my profile again for a hint as to why I don't qualify for membership in any white supremacist organization.


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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 3:32:51 PM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		Why would I have to own a claim that I never made?

Where did I call you a racist?  I did ask your opinion of NORFED. 

Are they a white supremist affiliated group or not, in your opinion? 

Why the hesittion in answering?  And making up ridiculous equivilancy arguments, really you are better than that

Being called a pathetic troll by someone lying (making false claims as to what I did assert) and afraid to actually take a stand is really kind of funny.


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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 3:41:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Somebody here is running a campaign against Ron Paul. I do not think Mr. Paul had anything to do with illegal making of US money.
Ron Paul has many good ideas the other candidates are lacking. US is on a crash course but not there yet. So, Ron Paul is a bit early with his reform ideas. Corporate democrat (Mrs. Clinton) or corporate republican (opposite wings of the same bird according to Lou Dobbs) will be a likely winner.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 3:51:34 PM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		AWM, I think he let them use his likness and name.   But its not money at all, it is overpriced metal with an engraving.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 4:58:06 PM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		Alumbrado, so you are not going to give your opinion of NORFED?

Just to be clear, if someone asks you a dircet question, and points out when you try to slip falsehoods in you call them "a pathetic and dishonest troll"?  That is a very different definition than I have ever heard for a troll.

Completely unrealted to the topic but about trolls.  I have been reading a collection of Icelandic Sagas, and they (the vikings)refered to the Sami as trolls.  Apperantly that is the origin of the term.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 6:28:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

lies and red herrings.

LOL.... why does luckydog1 pretend they are not?

Ron




Whoa.....


Go easy on Luckydog1..... His aunt---affectionately known as ''aunt luckydog''--- just happened to be at meetings between Ron Paul and the boys from Idaho with the pointy white hats. So, his supposition /claim is in all likelihood, one hundred percent true.



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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 7:05:46 PM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		My Great aunt, who died a few days after walking out of Manhattan breathing the dust, would never hang around with the NORFED folks wearing thier pointy white hats.  Ranger is still just upset that I won't meet him in a bathroom, I told him I don't swing that way, but he just won't accept reality.  His difficulty with reality is also shown in his attempts to get political, but seem to be nothing but personal attacks.  Which is fine, because I am actually posting for the readers.

So Ranger you accept that RP is such an unaware twit that he  did not know that NORFED was using his likeness and name to raise money.  If that is his level of awareness of what is going on around him, no wonder he lets the 911 kooks racists, and tax resisters ride his tails.

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 8:05:22 PM   
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heh?  why would anyone die from breathing a littel dust for such a short period of time?


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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/19/2007 8:29:22 PM   
Alumbrado


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ORIGINAL: awmslave

Somebody here is running a campaign against Ron Paul. I do not think Mr. Paul had anything to do with illegal making of US money.
Ron Paul has many good ideas the other candidates are lacking. US is on a crash course but not there yet. So, Ron Paul is a bit early with his reform ideas. Corporate democrat (Mrs. Clinton) or corporate republican (opposite wings of the same bird according to Lou Dobbs) will be a likely winner.



I wonder if the campaigns that are behind these 'Ron Paul is a white supremacist', 'Obama is a Muslim terrorist', 'Giuliani is gay' smear tactics pay their shills on forums like this one, in cash, or in free Radiohead downloads?

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/20/2007 3:13:57 AM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		She was 87, with heart problems, if you actually care.  Walking out of Manhattan didn't help her any either.  Why this is of any relevance I have no idea, unless you are so low class you are making fun of her, I assume ranger is. 



But what about you Real, do you think RP is so unaware that he actually did not know that NORFED was using his name and likeness?  I refuse to believe that with such an Internet based campaign, that it is possible they did not know. 

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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/20/2007 10:27:59 AM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		Hmm, I didn't get a response from Real, so I will put this out to any RP supporters. 

Do you believe that he actually had no idea that Liberty Mint was using his name and likeness, and selling Ron Paul dollars? 


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RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen - 11/20/2007 11:27:53 AM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		Hmmm... Maybe RP narked on the Liberty Mint himself. ( Or perhaps... The "Overzealous Staffer" did it! )

I know I would be pissed off if I wasn't getting a royalty on each item bearing my distinctive likeness and name.

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