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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 9:42:07 AM   
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Don't we all dream about him, no matter how we identifiy ourselfs? 
Nope.

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 10:09:10 AM   
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OP: I apologize if this is a bit long. This is an excerpt from something I wrote in my livejournal in 2004. Part of my search for a submissive at that time was lead by a belief that if I am Queen of my Household, my submissive should be able to fill the role of knight: Please keep in mind all that this is an older piece and was written during a phase in which I was writing a romance novel about Vampires in love in the Middle ages.  As I have matured as a Domme, my preferences have changed slightly - but I do still like the idea of chivalry in a man.:::: 


A submissive kneels at the feet of his Dominant when he has time, the desire, and all his limits met. A slave stands a step behind a Mistress, his head and eyes bowed. Yet lately I have had in My mind the image of a Knight, standing protectively in front of his Queen, his hand on the hilt of his broadsword, watching with alert eyes for anything that would displease his Goddess, his Queen. He worships her on bended knee, and trusts her to make the decisions that rule his world. He advises her and yet obeys joyfully. A knight is like a priest, he takes vows to live the rest of his life in service to his Queen. He acts ever and only in the interest of that Queen. It is a matriarchy. The Knight is not jobless. He works. He tends his own fields and reaps a harvest that is given in totality to his queen - save the expenses it costs to keep his fief open. He is the very soul of diplomacy, keeping peace within and outside of his Queen's castle. He shares his duties with other knights with no jealousy, but with relief that he does not bear the totality of responsibility on his own shoulders. Should the Queen have a King, then he bend his knee in respect and defense of that King, he speaks no evil of their love and honors it. He lives by the codes of chivalry, respects women and will lift his tongue or sword in defense of all those weaker than he, for his courage glorifies his Queen. He takes the lash or the rack in great joy, for each stripe given by his Queen is his great pride to bear. . . .

Being a knight starts with a code of chivalry that I hold my servants to as follows:
1. Honor: The reputation and worth of a man consisteth in his heart and will; therein lies true honour (
Montaigne, Essays 1.30).
2. Loyalty Be known for commitment to the people and ideals you choose to live by. There are many places where compromise is expected; loyalty is not amongst them. The ideal knight was sworn by oath to defend his liege and those who depended upon him. Seek always to defend your nation, your family, and those to whom you believe worthy of loyalty.
3. Generosity Be generous in so far as your resources allow; generosity used in this way counters gluttony. IIt also makes the path of mercy easier to discern when a difficult decision of justice is required.
4. Pride To seek excellence in all endeavors expected of a knight, seeking strength to be used in service, rather than in personal gain or recognition.
5. Faith A knight must have faith in his beliefs, for faith roots him and gives hope against the despair that human failings create.
6. Courage: Being a knight often means choosing the more difficult path. Be prepared to make personal sacrifices in service of the precepts and people you value. At the same time, a knight should seek wisdom to see that stupidity and courage are related. Courage also means taking the side of truth in all matters, rather than seeking the expedient lie. Seek the truth whenever possible, but remember to temper justice with mercy, or the pure truth can bring grief.
7. Nobility: Seek great stature of character by holding to the virtues and duties of a knight, realizing that though the ideals cannot be reached, the quality of striving towards them ennobles the spirit.
8. Justice: Seek always the path of 'right', unencumbered by bias or personal interest. Recognize that the sword of justice can be a terrible thing, so it must be tempered by humanity and mercy.
9. Humility: Value first the contributions of others; do not boast of your own accomplishments, let others do this for you. Tell the deeds of others before your own, according them the renown rightfully earned through virtuous deeds. In this way the office of knighthood is glorified, helping not only the gentle spoken of but also all who call themselves knights.

I suppose this is different from the “romance novel” image many women have of knights as the armor clad Dominant fellow that crashes in on his white steed, ripping the peasant girl’s bodice open and carrying her off into the sunset! But my mind doesn’t work that way LOL.

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 10:18:06 AM   
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Relationships are not like romance novels - people need to keep their feet planted firmly in reality. 

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 10:27:33 AM   
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quote:

Don't we all dream about him, no matter how we identifiy ourselfs? 

No, i don't dream of the perfect man, a knight in shining armour or any other such romantic notions. Hard hearted bitch that i am lol.
 
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Don't we want to be swept off our feet (out of control) 

No.
 
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If he's not plenty stronger, how can he protect us? 

I don't need a man's protection. Guidance, occasional help / advice, dominance yes.
 
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If his personality isn't more dominant, how can he take care of us? 

I don't believe Sir's personality is more dominant than mine per se.

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 If that sword won't destroy anyone who might try to hurt us, who is he? 

Oh please!
Submissive i may be but weak and feeble far from.
 
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And if he can't hurt us, how couldn he possibly hurt someone trying to do us harm? 

I couldn't hurt Sir but i would kill anyone who tried to hurt Him. So that for me doesn't fit to be honest.
 
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but if the man is strong enouph to protect me, when am I not at his whim?

I would more go for - if the man is strong enough to let me be me, when am i not at His whim?



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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 10:29:15 AM   
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Relationships are not like romance novels - people need to keep their feet planted firmly in reality. 

Thank you Velvetears; you beat me to it.

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 10:40:39 AM   
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This is kind of where this site can get kind of creepy....It seems that there are many who are lost between Sci-fi, SCA and reading their romance novels....Do they realize that sometimes Doms take humongous, wet, smelly shits?

If I met any sub who spoke of being rescued at our meeting...I would shit in her purse if she left the table....I think I would rather spend time with a Wiccan or a Druid...Although fucked up, they may not be looking to be saved.

I'm sure there is a lovely little cape cod awaiting you on Gor.....It is so beeeeeeyoutiful! We can make passionate love as I take your ass, down by the Scloridian Fire Falls....Wait!!! I hear that the trout are running. Do you know what the limit is on Scloridian trout? Perhaps your ass might get a reprieve after all.  

I don't have time for this kind of fucked up nonsense.

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 10:41:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: velvetears

Relationships are not like romance novels - people need to keep their feet planted firmly in reality. 


Velvet :  I agree with you.  I have been writing romance novels for a long time now.  I find that they are an excellent escape from reality into a realm of fantasy where one can accomplish anything.  Some of the rules to writing romance novels are the male must always have a dominant personality, every 3-5 chapters must include a sexually charged scene, and the heroine always requires rescuing at least twice.  I purposely write novels that challenge those beliefs - the one I'm working on now is about a Vampire casino owner who is rescued by a human cop (female) from an enemy he has been fighting for 400 years and the chaos that ensues. 
 
NOTE:  I wanted to mention that based on most of the research I've done over the years, the concept of chivalry and knight hood is not romance novel based, but comes from a period in time when women (nobility) were revered and "courtly love" was a combination of intrigue, romance, poetry and alot of competition between women for the "virile" young men.  The "romance novel" concept comes from an incorrect interpretation that knights were "dominant, bodice ripping scoundrels out to conquer as many women as they could castle walls"  Most of them in fact were fairly chaste, poetic and very respectful of women.  (Although as in any time period there were "scoundrels" and villans that didn't adhere to ethical standards.)  Unfortunately - girls are surrounded from the cradle with Disneyesque fairy tales of "the Knight in Shining Armor" and the subservient images of Cinderella and Snow White with their pollyanna attitudes and their Donna Reed housekeeping styles.  (I see this as different from submissiveness.)  Personally - I always wanted to BE Malefocent (Sleeping Beauty) or The Queen in Snow White - with a prince or knight in chains at my feet, swearing loyalty and obedience to me, pretty little Snow White weeping in the back ground in slave chains and a collar and not much else!  LOL
 
Lady Luna

edited because I am a writer and we normally have editors to cover up our attrocious spelling!

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 10:46:56 AM   
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To a degree yes, I do but not quite like that.

I don't want to be protected but I'd like a little back-up here and there when I'm outnumbered, so to speak.

I don't want to be saved but I do appreciate being given a hand to save myself. It can be frustrating and not a tad irritating, to have someone swoop in and try to fix things when what you really wanted was to be shown how to do it for yourself....Or, having someone *take over* because you're *not doing it properly*, when you're having a bash at it and not getting it quite right.

I most certainly have times when I'd like to be taken care of, though.

I like Padraig's description; strong, capable and a little bit dangerous.

My image of a Knight in Shining Armour is someone that helps when needed and knows when that is.

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 10:53:09 AM   
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Unfortunately - girls are surrounded from the cradle with Disneyesque fairy tales of "the Knight in Shining Armor" and the subservient images of Cinderella and Snow White with their pollyanna attitudes and their Donna Reed housekeeping styles.

 
I'm with you here.
Over romanticised girlie bullshit that leads to even bigger knight in shining armour bullshit!! Just my opinion of course
 

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 10:57:33 AM   
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Uh no.

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 11:08:12 AM   
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Ok seriously this time on the whole Knight in shining armor bit...

Firstly if I were to take a knight it would be in dented scoffed up armor.. the Shiny ones dont do a damn thing by laze about the manor with his muddy boots on your stuff.

Secondly he would have to be secure enough to come to me as his Queen. We *both* are strong... We both protect...
I am a Damsel.. I am in this Dress.. but not Distress.

I like strong men, who are confidant and know themselves... Ones whom I in turn can look up to. Even after giving them a blistering spanking. I like for there to be that mutual honor and respect. I have final say as Queen.. but I also like to be swept off my feet occasionaly.

I dont mind switching occasionaly but that is by no means a normal every day thing. They also can't shrug thier ass onto thier shoulders with the Macho I am the Man shit.. *chuckles*

They have to have my back as much as I have thiers... and they will learn that in a fight or bar brawl there is no one else in this whole wide world they would rather have at thier back then me. Same goes for help mate around the house, in the kitchen.. and in public. I need the whole package. I have my female verson of this in my girl.. and I found my male.. he is just indisposed. *sighs*

Oh bloody well. That is life I guess.

Gwyn,
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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 11:17:36 AM   
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Lady Luna,

I saved what you shared above. It's lovely!

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Living Lifestyle D/s and.... happy.

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 11:25:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: velvetears

Relationships are not like romance novels - people need to keep their feet planted firmly in reality. 

And in relationships...we create our own reality. That is the beauty of living a FemDom lifestyle.
 
All we need to do is connect, feel that energy and let the creative juices flow.
 
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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 11:43:21 AM   
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As one Queen to another, I am honored
 
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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 11:54:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BloodLuna

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As one Queen to another, I am honored
 
Luna

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 12:03:09 PM   
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I suppose my Daddy has some of the antihero in him



I was reading this thread and I was not sure antihero was used correctly.

Lancelot climbs on his horse, girds his sword, and heads out into the world to slay dragons, protect the damsels in distress, etc.  This is the testosterone-laden, ego-involved, other people cannot care for themselves so I am here to do it for them, self-centered sort of hero who wants fame and glory and to get the girl in the end type of archetype.

I like what I do as a mock assailant because I do not have to be involved in their issues, give them advice, slay their demons or dragons, even give my real name, or know anything about them outside of class, etc.  Human beings are the only species of animals that teaches their women to be weak and helpless.  I will help teach women to kick the living crap out of assailants, but I do not consider them to be weak or frail.  Additionally, I feel uncomfortable when people thank me for it or say it sounds like a lot of fun.  I suppose in a sense it could be.  In another sense, sometimes the look of horror in her eyes that sometimes comes in the early fights goes home with me and haunts my dreams.

Regarding the anti-hero, Frodo from the Lord Of The Rings is a good archetype.  Elric of Melnibone is another.  Roland from the Song of Roland (epic French poem) is another.  This is the hero who woke up one morning with a job to do that they never envisioned having or wanted to do.  They do not seek fame.  Frodo took the ring of power because nobody else would, but all he ever wanted to do was be home in the Shire planting taters.  If the ring of power never existed, he would have been much happier.  If Elric's cousin had not tried to usurp the throne of Melnibone and kill him, he would be much happier.  If the Saracens never invaded the south of France, Roland would have had a long and full life.

While I find my work as a mock assailant rewarding, if the world changed tomorrow and violence against people ended, I could hang up my suit and be far happier and less troubled by what I have seen than I am today.  In this sense, I consider myself an anti-hero.  I never wanted the job in the first place, but it has to be done, and I am able to do it.

Just me, could be wrong, but there ya go.

Sinergy

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 12:10:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LostMyself

Don't we all dream about him, no matter how we identifiy ourselfs?  Don't we want to be swept off our feet (out of control)  If he's not plenty stronger, how can he protect us?  If his personality isn't more dominant, how can he take care of us?  If that sword won't destroy anyone who might try to hurt us, who is he?  And if he can't hurt us, how couldn he possibly hurt someone trying to do us harm?  Yes, personally, I like being choked, feeling helpless to the whim of a man.. but if the man is strong enouph to protect me, when am I not at his whim?

Just a thought..



I don't honestly look for a knight in shining armor and tend to feel uncomfortable around men that play that role.  I would much rather be with someone who recognizes their humanity and flaws and can talk about them and works at overcoming them because he is then someone I can approach with my own flaws, insecurities, fears, hopes and dreams.  I don't want or need to be saved.  Any saving I can do for myself, however, it sure is nice to have someone support me that needs my support at times and is willing to accept it.

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 12:28:49 PM   
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I have rethought my position...I am your knight...I will solve all of your problems...I will take you away from all of this...If you don't feel you have any problems, I will take the time to point out your flaws.  If you actually don't have any weaknesses or ills I will make some up...I am here for you...Without me you are nothing. Just wandering down the path of a life unfullfilled....Tis' a shame that there is but only one of me.

I am the light of the world: she that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.....Fuck yeah, it's a heavy burden....Would you expect any less from your knight?

Help me ...Help you.
 

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 12:38:15 PM   
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Yes, I do want a 'Knight' but definately NOT in shinning aromor because if his aromor is still shinny and new I'm betting he pretty much just sits on his a** 'acting knightly' instead of being a Knight.

Also, I stand beside MY Knight, we wenches are a pretty tough breed and can more than hold our own.

Saya

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RE: The knight in Shining Aromor - 11/23/2007 12:45:34 PM   
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I want relationships with people where we can rescue eachother and ourselves.  I don't want someone who always needs rescuing.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1255265/mpage_1/key_knight/tm.htm#1255277
how do dominants keep "white knight" syndrome in check?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_673357/mpage_1/key_knight/tm.htm#673419
is this common?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_118804/mpage_1/key_knight/tm.htm#118804
"White Knight Syndrome"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_537169/mpage_1/key_knight/tm.htm#537169
Knight in shining armor


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