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Real0ne -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 6:09:29 AM)

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The driver should not have turned his back and walked away.



the guy made no attempt to do anything to threathen the cop in fact he was walking back to his vehicle in shock with the way he was being treated by the hard on with a gun. 

you cannot legally order someone to sign the ticket.

Again the cop is in control of the situation and therefore has the responsiblity to de-escalate and defuse a situation not escalate it as this asshole did.

All he did was make a cop hater out of the kid and not only the kid but the whole family and possibly most of his friends especially after they see this video.

btw the same shit happened to me once where there was no sign and i was given a ticket.  i ended it by saying see ya in court.




Aneirin -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 6:50:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: samboct



By the way if you want to get a cop really angry- don't call them pigs or assholes- they're used to it.  Call them incompetent and make it stick- like how many cars get stolen and wind up in chop shops- yet they can't find these operations?  Stuff like that.  THAT"LL get 'em good and mad- truth hurts.

Sam 


If you are in the UK, you could try; 'Orificer ' instead of 'Officer', or 'cuntstable ' instead of 'constable'.One could be offensive without it being obvious, a sort of thing where it could be put down to one's accent or possible speech impediment, or just plain, 'I thought it was pronounced that way cuntstable'.




velvetears -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 6:55:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittiekatt

Exactly estring. Also. Seems to be all the unintelligent people who are hating on cops. For the MOST part anyway. Get your facts straight. Cops aren't perfect, but they did the right thing in this situation, hands down. 


Is everyone who disagrees with you "unintelligent? That was an "unintelligent" statement if i ever heard one.

Exactly what "facts" are we to get straight?  Present them. Tasers should be the last resort, seems to me this cop used it way to quickly, hands down!




subfever -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 9:15:22 AM)

It appeared that the driver's body was partially over the white line after being tasered. The officer turned his back to him, left him laying there, and walked over to the passenger side of the SUV. Leaving the driver laying on the highway at risk to be run over should be more than enough to suspend or reassign this officer to a desk job. 




kdsub -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 9:47:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

Most cops are assholes with esteem issues, hypocrisy aplenty, and the power of physical coercion behind their every whim - legal or not.

In short, thugs with badges.



lol...Love to see you tell a police officer that face to face...but of course people like you never would.




Real0ne -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 9:55:00 AM)

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I think you can be arrested for any infraction because it's either a misdemeanor or a felony in its original form. They've strangely hooked us into admiralty law via the driver's license which creates these pseudo-criminal charges called infractions and also gives rise to the kangaroo courts called traffic courts. But again, you can be arrested for the infraction if that's what the cop wants to do.


which of course is constitutional abuse and terminator and others have brought it up several times however a go no where subject because most people are clueless to that fact nor do they care that citizens literally instead of going to court as constitutionally intended are being treated virtually no differently than a  military tribunal..







kdsub -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 10:15:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

If you are in the UK, you could try; 'Orificer ' instead of 'Officer', or 'cuntstable ' instead of 'constable'.One could be offensive without it being obvious, a sort of thing where it could be put down to one's accent or possible speech impediment, or just plain, 'I thought it was pronounced that way cuntstable'.



Hi Aneirin....I may try a few of those "slip of the tongues" next ticket I get...lol they are good.

But seriously... how would you or I deal with people cursing at us every day...day in day out... thinking they have a right to be disrespectful just because of my job...they pay my salary!!! I know my temper I would have a hard time dealing with it... and some poor guy would get tasered when he may not deserve it... Like I said tough job...I believe most police start off with all the best intentions...but over time they become short tempered after dealing with …well people like us.




Level -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 10:31:00 AM)

Working in a court, I've met and gotten to know quite a few cops. A small percentage are control freaks and assholes; another small percentage are absolutely devoted to the idea of public service. The majority are normal men and women, just doing a job.





kdsub -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 10:48:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

Working in a court, I've met and gotten to know quite a few cops. A small percentage are control freaks and assholes; another small percentage are absolutely devoted to the idea of public service. The majority are normal men and women, just doing a job.



Same here Level... the vast majority are good people… certainly not thugs with badges.

It really gets to me when people assign a character to all because of the actions of a few.

 




samboct -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 11:27:12 AM)

"lol...Love to see you tell a police officer that face to face...but of course people like you never would."

I did.  It cost me $2k and accomplished nothing.

Certainly not all people serving in the police force are nasty, arrogant, corrupt individuals out on a power trip.  The problem is that a few bad apples.....and they do turn the whole barrel rotten.


Sam




kdsub -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 11:50:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: samboct

"lol...Love to see you tell a police officer that face to face...but of course people like you never would."

I did.  It cost me $2k and accomplished nothing.

Certainly not all people serving in the police force are nasty, arrogant, corrupt individuals out on a power trip.  The problem is that a few bad apples.....and they do turn the whole barrel rotten.

Sam


Hi Sam

I wonder why there is often a derogatory majority view of police officers, or at least a significant view, on the CM forum that doesn’t match the view in the general population?

Have we, because of our lifestyles, had more problems with law enforcement? Could it be because of dominant or submissive personalities?

In reading different threads over time I have noticed the general dislike for any authoritative entity…be it law enforcement or governments.

Butch




Real0ne -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 1:16:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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ORIGINAL: samboct

"lol...Love to see you tell a police officer that face to face...but of course people like you never would."

I did.  It cost me $2k and accomplished nothing.

Certainly not all people serving in the police force are nasty, arrogant, corrupt individuals out on a power trip.  The problem is that a few bad apples.....and they do turn the whole barrel rotten.

Sam


Hi Sam

I wonder why there is often a derogatory majority view of police officers, or at least a significant view, on the CM forum that doesn’t match the view in the general population?

Have we, because of our lifestyles, had more problems with law enforcement? Could it be because of dominant or submissive personalities?

In reading different threads over time I have noticed the general dislike for any authoritative entity…be it law enforcement or governments.

Butch


I think its more than a corrupt "few" it more like the corrupt most.  i would wager that the uncorrupted are well into the minority.

If anything bdsm people make far greater allowances for this kind of crap well literally all crap than i have seen on otther boards.  Much of what i have seen people shrug off on here on other boards makes people livid.  fwiw






Lordandmaster -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 1:18:16 PM)

You know, Level, invariably someone makes this point in any conversation about police brutality, and I always wonder what the point is.  Yes, agreed, most police officers are devoted to public service.  So what?  I don't see anyone denying that--well, no one rational, at any rate.  It's a bit like when those airlines say "We have a 99% non-crash rate!"  It's the 1% that makes all the difference.

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ORIGINAL: Level

Working in a court, I've met and gotten to know quite a few cops. A small percentage are control freaks and assholes; another small percentage are absolutely devoted to the idea of public service. The majority are normal men and women, just doing a job.




Level -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 2:07:20 PM)

Afternoon, Lam. The comment was indeed aimed at those (irrational and otherwise [:D]) that don't seem to think cops exist to do anything other than fuck with the masses. Of course, the "99% success rate" should never be used to excuse the 1% of failure.




kdsub -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 2:23:07 PM)

I’ll have to disagree with you Real. Law enforcement is a very large profession… As in any large group of people the vast majority are reasonably honest with integrity.

There are few who are truly corrupt but because of their actions they tend to stand out. This is true in government… military…and religious organizations. It’s true right here in this forum and lifestyle.
Butch




Real0ne -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 2:33:43 PM)

Geez my seester is a cop, well was a cop.

This 99% is nothing more than bullshit.  60% of any interaction i have had with the police was less than desireable, and god damn you if you expect them to uphold and respect your rights.  First off they are not here to serve the public that is pure horseshit, they meaning in most communities are charted to serve the courts not the public at large.
Traffic tickets is big business.  I suppose people sitting on the bench side dont deal with the reality of it on the street.

I was being robbed once and called it in as soon as i seen them coming in, skipping all the details the cops finally showed up 15-20 minutes later.  i described the kids to them gave them precise heights and colors etc and what they brought back was fucking hilarious.  I actually called them dumb sons a colorblind bitches to their face.

Nah no need to sing the cop praises to me man.



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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You know, Level, invariably someone makes this point in any conversation about police brutality, and I always wonder what the point is.  Yes, agreed, most police officers are devoted to public service.  So what?  I don't see anyone denying that--well, no one rational, at any rate.  It's a bit like when those airlines say "We have a 99% non-crash rate!"  It's the 1% that makes all the difference.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

Working in a court, I've met and gotten to know quite a few cops. A small percentage are control freaks and assholes; another small percentage are absolutely devoted to the idea of public service. The majority are normal men and women, just doing a job.





Politesub53 -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 3:24:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittiekatt

The cop wasn't a big guy. The first thing he didn't want to do, was when he was WITHOUT backup, try to take on a man by himself who has bigger, and who also had a passenger, even if she was a woman. He did the exact right thing. The guy didn't comply, and the officer gave him ample warning to listen. He resisted arrest. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what the officer did. Yes, the tazer shooting in most videos (including this one) seems harsh, but it always looks bad. The tazer is used instead of a bullet, be thankful for that, incase the man would of got shot infront of his wife.

If a cop feels threatened in any way/shape or form, he has the right to do that. The guy was resisting orders, and that shit doesn't fly. At least SOME people understand the situation, instead of just bitching at cops, thinking their all the stero-typical, black man beating, people hating cops.



Watch the film again, the cop seems a few inches bigger than the driver. Even if the guy refused to sign the slip, he did nothing to warrant being tasered. he didnt threaten the cop in any way sahape or form.
That seems like excessive use of force to me.




samboct -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 3:52:18 PM)

Hi Butch

I don't know how the general population sees cops on average.  I know if you're black, you have a well justified suspicion of the police- there are certainly multiple tiers of justice in this country.

If you're in a rural environment, where everybody knows each other, and crime (other than drug related) tends to be lower than urban environments- or at least that's the perception, then the police are generally seen as an asset.  People in urban environments, especially those that have had direct contact with the police for reporting a robbery (Real's comments resonate with me as well- I once reported a car stereo stolen in Yonkers, the cops wouldn't come by because it would have broken up their poker game.) generally have a much less favorable impression of the police force.  I wouldn't be surprised if police corruption correlates with larger concentrations of police, hence there's a wildly varying viewpoint of the police, depending on where you live.

Sam




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 3:54:38 PM)

the video shown on the news here time and time again shows the man putting his hand in his right pocket right before being tazed.

did the cop act too quickly? maybe no, maybe yes. 

am i willing to get out there and out my life on the line pulling folks over for speeding and never knowing when it will be a thug ass cop hater? not if they payed me 2--k a year, instead of the meager salaries cops make.

the dealings i have had with cops have all been, well, not enjoyable, but kinda run of the mill i guess i would say.

and i sat with my hands on the steering wheel when pulled over, waited for them to tell me to get my license and registration, etc.  and each time i have had some pot on me, yet never had them decide to search my car.

if i was walking away from a cop and the cop told me to stop, call me silly, id stop.

ive never walked in their shoes, and i agree the bad ones should be dealt with quickly and fiercely, but, i dont see where this incident requires an uproar.




farglebargle -> RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... (11/24/2007 4:06:42 PM)

It's academic now.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22814674-5001028,00.html?from=public_rss

The UN Committee on Torture said, "The use of these weapons causes acute pain, constituting a form of torture,''




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