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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 1:21:23 PM   
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Fear is a terrible thing to have...i have been working on letting go of fear all my life~
 
When you get to a place where you have lost every relationship you have ever had and survived, you will learn not to fear speaking your mind~

I suppose you are right...I hope it doesnt take that to teach me though.


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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 1:25:22 PM   
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Hugs to you breatheasone.  Talking about hurtful behaviour on anyone's part is not fun, but the need is there.  I have found that if I write a letter it's easier on both parties whereby the face-to-face isn't there, sort of a more comfortable distance.  He's not watching my eyes as I say it so I don't get all tongue-tied and wordless.  I'm not watching his reactions and becoming defensive or pouty.  I can write it at my leisure, taking the time to get the words just right, bring up the problem as I see it, give ONE or TWO examples to put it into perspective, then ramble on about how it makes me feel.  When I give it, I explain what it is and that talking things out in a letter sometimes makes me feel more comfortable trying to explain.  This way also he can read it at his leisure, alone and take the time to feel what I wrote, to absorb it.  If his cheeks turn red, I'm not there to see it ;)   If he gets angry or frustrated or defensive, he has time to re-read, maybe agree or disagree, let it sink in.  But it gives both of us TIME before we discuss it. 

However you discuss it, you need to I think.  If it is a possibility of hurting the relationship, it needs to be dealt with.  I agree with rawkmehard that if it's left to fester, it may come out in the wrong way at the wrong time.  Here if you feel the want to talk to someone else as well, but sending you hugs of support in the meantime.

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The writing it down is an excellent suggestion....I will do that even if Master makes me read it to Him...It would be easier to have my thoughts in order 1st. Thankyou for your kindness


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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 1:29:54 PM   
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If some personality trait or behavior is bothersome enough for you speak up for fear of ... what, I'm assuming the relationship ending?... then it must be important to you.

However, since I don't try to change my slave's personality or behaviors beyond what is reasonable I think I deserve that same level of respect and realism in return.

I don't think it's healthy to hold things in side but if the answer is "this is the way I am" then you may need to decide whether or not to continue. I don't think a mature and good dominant will use your speaking up against you though they may have hurt feelings if you brought up something they feel they cannot or do not wish to change.

Hey Tammy.... I sincerely do not believe this is a situation like you describe here...I honestly don't. "I don't try to change my slave's personality or behaviors beyond what is reasonable" You also say..."I don't think a mature and good dominant will use your speaking up against you though they may have hurt feelings if you brought up something they feel they cannot or do not wish to change."  and that is my fear.....

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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 1:32:55 PM   
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Fear is a terrible thing to have...i have been working on letting go of fear all my life~
 
When you get to a place where you have lost every relationship you have ever had and survived, you will learn not to fear speaking your mind~

I suppose you are right...I hope it doesnt take that to teach me though.


i hope not either, breatheasone. That is why i posted my personal experience...i was so afraid of loss, that i served my fear and not the Dominants. Now, i give with my whole self when i serve. If i am not enough, if i can not speak honestly, if the relationship cannot be transparent...then it was never right to begin with. i have no fear of being alone and i only focus on the joy of "being" what i am~
i hope that doesn't sound too sappy...it is my truth~

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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 1:33:50 PM   
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it is better to know the area in your Dominant you struggle with will not change.

it is the worst feeling in the world to find out such a thing, i empathize.

but do you really want to live in the wrong kind of pain? YOU don't deserve that.

please consider it all carefully. write about it, over and over again if necessary. practice what you want to say, how you want to say it.

take a deep breath, muster every ounce of deference and respect you have, speak your truth, and then, let go of the fear as best you can.

remember that if it is to be, it will be. and if it isn't, you have an opportunity to grow. i'm living this right now.

it will be okay. it will pass, whether or not it happens the way you wish.

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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 1:35:40 PM   
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Ok I have tried to collect my thoughts about this and have come up with these questions...

For the "D" types.... How troubling would it be if your "s" type brought something to your attention(with FULL respect of course) that you KNEW would be VERY difficult to change and or address?
Thanks in advance....
Sincerely, Candy



Did I know it would be difficult to change and/or address before my s-type brought it to my attention?



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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 1:39:57 PM   
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it is better to know the area in your Dominant you struggle with will not change.

it is the worst feeling in the world to find out such a thing, i empathize.

but do you really want to live in the wrong kind of pain? YOU don't deserve that.

please consider it all carefully. write about it, over and over again if necessary. practice what you want to say, how you want to say it.

take a deep breath, muster every ounce of deference and respect you have, speak your truth, and then, let go of the fear as best you can.

remember that if it is to be, it will be. and if it isn't, you have an opportunity to grow. i'm living this right now.

it will be okay. it will pass, whether or not it happens the way you wish.


I don't know that it will never change, in fact I'm fairly certian it may...Its the what ifs that I'm killing myself with.


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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 1:42:47 PM   
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It depends on what it is.

If its purely a bad behavior, then I want to know about it.

However, if its something thats part of my natural personality, its not so much that I don't want to hear it as much as I doubt there is going to be any change.

I am almost a textbook INTJ personality type and because of this, there is a lot of things about me that are quite different then the common extrovert personalities, particularly in the realm of my interpersonal relations and social life.

(And yes, it is the profile of Hannibal Lector, but there is a whole list of other people who fall into that category who aren't serial killers. )

http://typelogic.com/intj.html

I've spent a lot of time listening to people constantly telling me how I need to be something different and I have probably spent even more time thinking I was somehow screwed up and trying to fix it.

Wasted time at that.

So with me, there is quite a few things about me that have caused friction in my relationships with people and I have enough self awareness to know that they are just simply my hard wiring and nothing that I can change.

I don't want to hear how I need to talk more.
I don't want to hear how I need to show more feelings
I don't want to hear how I need to stop being so serious about learning, development, and career as opposed to focusing on a social life like an extrovert.

(Okay so I don't want to hear about some things )




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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 1:44:08 PM   
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If it was something being brought to my attention that my changing would be for the better, not just in opinion but fact, then of course I want it brought to my attention.

We cannot always hold a mirror to ourselves and sometimes only someone close to us can do that. Anyone thinking they know it all is someone who clearly doesn't.

Now, if it was something that was not harmful to myself or others, and it was a part of me I liked, then that would be a matter of taste or choice and and the "s" could have opinions about it, could mention it once if they had a strong enough desire, but then that's enough...I want it then it stays. I am never, ever insulted or angered by things being pointed out to me, especially for betterment.

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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 1:52:25 PM   
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Madrabbit and Yoursomine...I totally get what Y'all are saying ...and yes I believe this is just a "bad habit" if you will, and not a personality trait that is at issue here. And in my humble opinion, if left unchecked, could become a bigger issues than it needs to be. 

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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 2:17:14 PM   
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It occurs to me that because I have omitted the behavior I am seeking in put on that Y'all might be thinking something MUCH worse than is actually the case...so with that mindset I'll say . What I am speaking about is a lack of follow through...Not doing what you said you were going to do.....This behavior is very hurtful to me, for a whole host of reasons that my Master is aware of. He does NOT do this with ANY malice, or intentional misleading....I WHOLE heartedly believe He intends to do what He said He would...and "things just come up( A LOT)."  This also makes it very hard to talk to Him about, because i KNOW He would NEVER hurt me on purpose...so I kinda feel bad for wanting to tell Him that He is doing just that, because its so hit and miss....

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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 2:55:17 PM   
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There's somethings that you need to assess for yourself...

Is this a make or break thing for you? Is it simply a matter of comfort and a place you can grow from? Are you okay if your Dtype says nope I can't do that? Is this a matter of health and healthiness for you?

The first one and the last one are the most important to me. I have had these situations. I've been told "deal with the process or hit the road"...I've also been told why things are the way they are. I have ALSO been told "I get that...I'll work on that cuz I see what you're saying...I need you to be patient with Me while I work on it...it is a pattern you know."

MsK operates from a place of..."I can do whatever I want...I just have to be willing to deal with the consequences to My person and to those I love" She also encourages me to operate from that place. So that's all I wannna put out there for you in this case.

PS And I get this...this same issue is one that I got the "I get that...I'll work on that cuz I see what you're saying...I need you to be patient with Me while I work on it...it is a pattern you know." Response. She's the ADD Domme. She admits that and warned me from go. And She's working on it. And I can tell. So there's some positive from someone who had the same issue. I hope you get what you need.

I suggest talking about needing consitancy rather than saying "you're not following through" phrase the area of improvement as a positive thing. And Dtypes have to do the same with us a lot too. It's part of our jobs in these relationships.


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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 3:12:38 PM   
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It occurs to me that because I have omitted the behavior I am seeking in put on that Y'all might be thinking something MUCH worse than is actually the case...so with that mindset I'll say . What I am speaking about is a lack of follow through...Not doing what you said you were going to do.....This behavior is very hurtful to me, for a whole host of reasons that my Master is aware of. He does NOT do this with ANY malice, or intentional misleading....I WHOLE heartedly believe He intends to do what He said He would...and "things just come up( A LOT)."  This also makes it very hard to talk to Him about, because i KNOW He would NEVER hurt me on purpose...so I kinda feel bad for wanting to tell Him that He is doing just that, because its so hit and miss....


that is a biggie. imho, looking him in the eyes and not telling him how you feel is lying.  just as, not "following through" is lying.  this will become a fungus that destroys your relationship. you need to address it immediately.

if this ends the relationship, well. perhaps it wasnt meant to be.

and i have been where i am telling you to go.  wasnt easy at all.  but i have to be true to me first, or i will not be able to give him my all.  it did end the relationship for me.  and i can look back on that with nothing but smiles, no regrets, because i know we both did the best we could.

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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 3:21:09 PM   
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It occurs to me that because I have omitted the behavior I am seeking in put on that Y'all might be thinking something MUCH worse than is actually the case...so with that mindset I'll say . What I am speaking about is a lack of follow through...Not doing what you said you were going to do.....This behavior is very hurtful to me, for a whole host of reasons that my Master is aware of. He does NOT do this with ANY malice, or intentional misleading....I WHOLE heartedly believe He intends to do what He said He would...and "things just come up( A LOT)."  This also makes it very hard to talk to Him about, because i KNOW He would NEVER hurt me on purpose...so I kinda feel bad for wanting to tell Him that He is doing just that, because its so hit and miss....


that is a biggie. imho, looking him in the eyes and not telling him how you feel is lying.  just as, not "following through" is lying.  this will become a fungus that destroys your relationship. you need to address it immediately.

if this ends the relationship, well. perhaps it wasnt meant to be.

and i have been where i am telling you to go.  wasnt easy at all.  but i have to be true to me first, or i will not be able to give him my all.  it did end the relationship for me.  and i can look back on that with nothing but smiles, no regrets, because i know we both did the best we could.

I am addressing it...and I will not even entertain the idea that this will end my Master and I. I believe we are each others  missing piece,. I know I can talk to Him...I just don't alway exercise that right. So you swallow hard and do it...and then you find that He is just as willing as you are to deal with the issue...Is it easy?...no...is it worth the effort....yes...no doubt.


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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 4:17:38 PM   
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A good BDSM relationship is based on three things: Communication, trust, and more communication.

Tell him, as, you never know, he might be clueless about it. We all have our blind spots, and it is a good friend that can tell you that your fly is open behaviorally-speaking.

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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 4:23:26 PM   
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No one is perfect and we all need to be told or reminded of that occasionally. My sub has my full permission to respectfully tell me his thoughts/feelings/opinions etc. As his Dominant I take these into consideration and decide how to proceed. If he tells me something is hurting him or me, I listen, because there are times we can be blinded to our own short comings and we need someone we trust to point them out. I'd take a good honest look at myself and decide how to best proceed.

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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 4:39:08 PM   
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If it bothers you enough to post about it here, then it needs to come out before you become resentful and manipulative. Stick to the point, remain unemotional, don't drag in other squabbles or issues. Don't whine, blame, shame, or use guilt as a club. State yourself clearly and respectfully, and be done with it. His answer is his answer, your decision is your decision. If he makes a promise to improve this behavior but forgets, give gentle non-manipulative reminders - don't let it turn into a power struggle.

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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 4:55:04 PM   
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If some personality trait or behavior is bothersome enough for you speak up for fear of ... what, I'm assuming the relationship ending?... then it must be important to you.

However, since I don't try to change my slave's personality or behaviors beyond what is reasonable I think I deserve that same level of respect and realism in return.

I don't think it's healthy to hold things in side but if the answer is "this is the way I am" then you may need to decide whether or not to continue. I don't think a mature and good dominant will use your speaking up against you though they may have hurt feelings if you brought up something they feel they cannot or do not wish to change.

Hey Tammy.... I sincerely do not believe this is a situation like you describe here...I honestly don't. "I don't try to change my slave's personality or behaviors beyond what is reasonable" You also say..."I don't think a mature and good dominant will use your speaking up against you though they may have hurt feelings if you brought up something they feel they cannot or do not wish to change." and that is my fear.....


People's feelings are hurt everyday, even by those who love them most. It's one of those things about human nature.

The question is can you deal with the hurt reaction, can you offer reassurances to yourself and him, if that is all you are afraid of?

Having a fear is not the same as being unable to cope with it. Sometimes we grow best when we confront our fears.

Ultimately you have to decide just how important speaking up about whatever is to you versus the fear. If you believe something is endangering his or your life then I think the fear of hurt feelings is minor compared to that.

There are ways you can talk to someone that places less attention on them and more on your concern. Since I don't know what your concern is this just me talking hypotheticals.

Instead of saying "I think you eat too much and you are getting too fat" try "I would really like to try to cook healthier for both of us because I want us to be able to live as fully as we are for years and years to come." You have tackled the issue, unhealthy eating, but made it couple's or household issue not his issue. If you have control over the cooking you don't even need to say anything, just start changing things slowly. That's what I've done and now we each get our minimum recommended daily dosage of fiber and the guys never figured it out but we are all much healthier.

If it is something you have no control over, I think you placing in the context of "I am worried about X" again displaces the focus while still addressing the issue.

Or you can just confront your fears head on and say "I think you need to change X and this is why" -- make sure you have a "why" or it will feel even more like an attack.

Please try to remember that you cannot control another person's feelings or actions, only your own.

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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 4:58:27 PM   
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It occurs to me that because I have omitted the behavior I am seeking in put on that Y'all might be thinking something MUCH worse than is actually the case...so with that mindset I'll say . What I am speaking about is a lack of follow through...Not doing what you said you were going to do.....This behavior is very hurtful to me, for a whole host of reasons that my Master is aware of. He does NOT do this with ANY malice, or intentional misleading....I WHOLE heartedly believe He intends to do what He said He would...and "things just come up( A LOT)." This also makes it very hard to talk to Him about, because i KNOW He would NEVER hurt me on purpose...so I kinda feel bad for wanting to tell Him that He is doing just that, because its so hit and miss....


With new knowledge I have to say that I disagree with your assessment that it is a habit and not a personality trait.

Is he older than 5? Then it's personality.

My husband is sort of this way and I learned through some years of therapy that he was not going to change simply because it is too much of who he is. Sadly it means that I have had to retrain myself to not react to the let downs and expect less. The emotional reaction is still there, that's part of my personality, but I'm much happier with what I've worked on myself in relationship to him and the hurt feelings get less and less over time.

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RE: Speaking up....is it worth the risk? - 11/24/2007 4:59:33 PM   
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As human beings, I think we all tend to be creatures of patterned behaviors, routines, likes and dislikes.   Many of these things, we either accept or desire to change in ourselves.

It can become uncomfortable experience for people to confront or to be confronted regarding weaknesses, flaws, self destructive ways or mannerisms.

I tend to have more respect for those people that tell me what "I need to hear" verses telling me what they feel "I want to hear". 

With regards to things people share with me, it's in my hands as to what I do or do not do.  There are things about myself and my life I will not change for anybody.   Such as playing music.  Cold day in hell before I stop playing guitar to applease somebody else.   There are things to which I will not compromise upon.   

Perhaps the hardest thing to achieve is to "Discern" what is a real issue or problem that requires me to change my ways or not.  Just because somebody precieves something as an issue or problem does not mean that it is.   For instance, I don't care what ever person thinks or feels about me.   It's not mission in life to live my life around what everbody else thinks, feels or reacts to me.    Now, this is a little ironic because when I'm playing music or performing in front of people, the whole audience does matter to me.   To entertain and put on a show for a crowd.    But when it comes to personal one on one matters, you either like me, love me, hate me or dislike me... whatever.   

But when somebody (close friend, loved one, family member) speaks thier mind and is bold enough to say things, that most people would piss themselves at finding the words to say.  Then I listen take what they are saying into account.   But I have to also consider thier own Bias, thier own perspective, self interests or whatever else in the matter.   Just because somebody elses perception of a matter is one way, does not mean that it's true.  

Regardless of the issue, perhaps there is something I can do better to make certain I don't feed into somebody's false perception.   Perhaps it's a real issue and I need to change or deal with things better.    It's all part of Growing.  Personal growth. 

We as human being are creatures of a habit(s).  People can be comfortable in thier own skin (including flaws, faults).  It's always easier to pass judgements and find faults in others compared to being open to making changes our own comfortable lives.

Changes don't happen overnight either,  sure people can talk about changes, issues and problems.  But it is a process, a series or steps, adjustments in mental thought processes and actions.  Many people give up on trying to change things about themselves and lives because they don't feel supported nor encouraged.   So they throw their hands up in the air, frustrated at not being able to change things faster and fix the problems over night.  

So, if a "s" type is bold enough to confront to a "D" type regarding an flaw or fault.   The "s" type also needs to be aware that they need to be the Cheering section towards the changes.   Simply Bitching or pointing out a problem to a "D" type is not enough.   Us "D" types also need patience and understanding just like all you "s" types do. 

Guess what I'm saying here, is that change and the support of loved ones is important for both "D" and "s" types together.  Us Dom/Master don't simply spring forth out of the Earth as All Powerful, All Knowing, Fault Free Creatures... we are just as human as all the "s" types.    In many regards the Stereotyping of what a "D" type should be, adds a little extra pressure, that "D" types should never show any signs of human weakness.   We should be somehow perfect and fault free... that if we admit or talk about our own faults we are somehow less Dom or Masterful in life.

There are probally a number of "D" types that are reading this, that know they gain more strength, self control and power through being able to confront themselves, face their own faults, fears and weaknesses.   There are probally a number of "D" types reading this that value and appreciate it when an "s" type is bold enough to point things out.   

Again, I stress the importance for "s" types to be patience, understanding and supportive.  Don't expect "D" types to make changes overnight.   Us "D" types tend to be our own boss, we will be hard on ourselves, it's a bit of a private affair for many "D" types.   Us "D" types might already be bitching to ourselves about ourselves regarding our own short comings.  Does not leave much room for us to hear the same complaint coming from an "s" type at times.  

Guess, what I'm saying to all the submissive types out there is to be supportive of change.   It's nice to have a cheering section, somebody that appreciates the baby steps, efforts towards change.   Many "D" types, don't like "s" types getting in so close because it can open up the doors to being mentally manipulated.   Basically, us "D" types don't like to make our button available for somebody else to push and play with.    All and all this comes down to something called "Trust".

Sure, a submissive needs to Trust thier Dom/Master.  However, the Dom/Master must also be able to trust the submissive as well.   People can and do tend to be manipulative creatures by nature.. yeah and even you subbie types do it, actually some of you subbie types are experts at it.  Then again, you guys have your ways of doing this to keep a D/s relationship in check, keeping us "D" on our toes.




 

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