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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/25/2007 11:16:04 PM   
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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/25/2007 11:17:55 PM   
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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/25/2007 11:23:02 PM   
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Lol, GM. Frankly, I've been amused at the posts of yours that I've read, in this and other threads. If popeye can be offensive, why can't someone give it back to him? I think the issue is those who don't appreciate wry sarcasm from young ladies.

E-String, I simply didn't think you were bothering to mock her for everything she posted in this thread, only the last two. *shrug* Everyone is entitled to their opinions - you, her, popeye - oh, and me too.

Lady Seraphina

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Lady S, I've been to S.F. many times.
You go into the airport and there's trash on the floors, people yelling at each other in foreign languages, women fist fighting out by the taxis, people relieving themselves in the parking building.
And that was the last time I was there in '98.
It was like a bus station not an airport. And I thought Logan in Boston was bad.
Then you go into the city and it stinks! And the homeless are everywhere and so is their excrement so watch where you step.
Care for a $20 piece of ass m or f at any time of the day or night? They're everywhere too.
And I think a gallon of milk was $6 at that time and oh, no "supermarkets" in the city.
Oh, you couldn't park if there were supermarkets anyway.
And, the city council loves to deprive citizens of their rights.
Nice parks though if you don't mind being accosted by panhandlers every five minutes, but, they're all over the city anyway.
Certainly not the cleanest city I've ever been in.
And more expensive than NYC but Stef will probably argue that point.
Oh, they have a bridge that's nice to take pictures of (watch where you step again) and cable cars.
It's Cleveland with hills.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/25/2007 11:26:53 PM   
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I'm going to remember that...

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/25/2007 11:42:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessMine

Apparently, I've been too abrasive, so I take everything back: Hotlantians and MidWesterners are good and educated people, as are San Franciscans. Do inbreds even exist anymore? *hugs*

Love,
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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/25/2007 11:46:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I live in SF now, though I am relocating to the North Bay. SF is a shithole, don't let anyone tell you differently. While the hilly landscape and Mediterranean- inspired architecture is aesthetically pleasing in the extremely affluent areas, that does not negate the fact that simple freedoms are absent within the city, and the municipal governemnt is always looking for more liberties to discard "for your own safety". Apparently, concern for "your own safety", does not include the thousands of vagrants accosting you at every turn for change or narcotics. Human excrement is seemingly ubiquitous and clearly the norm in parks, sidewalks, alleys, etc. Apparently, diseases such as hepatitis, which can survive for weeks outside the body, are not concerning from a public health standpoint, but God help you if you have enough gall to smoke a cigarette or cigar. Furthermore, SF has earned the horrifying distinction of being the "Least Family Friendly City" in the country, though you can be fairly certain your pets will have ample representation. I wouldn't raise my kids there, and it's not hard to see why. They have a ridiculous lottery system for public schooling, so even if you lived across the street from a school, your child probably won't be going there anyway. They recently banned plastic bags, so don't be caught with one. They tried to ban the Blue Angels airshow recently, though fortunately even SF residents had to concede that was a pretty ridiculous proposal. In short, SF perpetuates its own sterotype- it is a city of very special interests- the absurdly rich, the techno geeks from Silicon Valley who hit it big during the "Dot Com" craze, the Gay/Lesbian communities, but not much of a middle class. Indeed, it is a very two-class town, the abject poor and the super rich. It doesn't take some shrewd deductions either, anyone can plainly see the disparities upon entering the city limits. It is too bad though, the panoramic views of the bay and the general topography are quite stunning.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/25/2007 11:57:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ctsub2003

I live in SF now, though I am relocating to the North Bay. SF is a shithole, don't let anyone tell you differently. While the hilly landscape and Mediterranean- inspired architecture is aesthetically pleasing in the extremely affluent areas, that does not negate the fact that simple freedoms are absent within the city, and the municipal governemnt is always looking for more liberties to discard "for your own safety". Apparently, concern for "your own safety", does not include the thousands of vagrants accosting you at every turn for change or narcotics. Human excrement is seemingly ubiquitous and clearly the norm in parks, sidewalks, alleys, etc. Apparently, diseases such as hepatitis, which can survive for weeks outside the body, are not concerning from a public health standpoint, but God help you if you have enough gall to smoke a cigarette or cigar. Furthermore, SF has earned the horrifying distinction of being the "Least Family Friendly City" in the country, though you can be fairly certain your pets will have ample representation. I wouldn't raise my kids there, and it's not hard to see why. They have a ridiculous lottery system for public schooling, so even if you lived across the street from a school, your child probably won't be going there anyway. They recently banned plastic bags, so don't be caught with one. They tried to ban the Blue Angels airshow recently, though fortunately even SF residents had to concede that was a pretty ridiculous proposal. In short, SF perpetuates its own sterotype- it is a city of very special interests- the absurdly rich, the techno geeks from Silicon Valley who hit it big during the "Dot Com" craze, the Gay/Lesbian communities, but not much of a middle class. Indeed, it is a very two-class town, the abject poor and the super rich. It doesn't take some shrewd deductions either, anyone can plainly see the disparities upon entering the city limits. It is too bad though, the panoramic views of the bay and the general topography are quite stunning.


I have to admit that I agree with you on all your points. But hey, at least you don't reside in San Jose.
And yes, thompson, that was quite pussilicious of Me, but whatevs - I can't afford being banned on this site - literally. Muaha.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 12:04:52 AM   
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Because SF is one of the most amazing and vibrant cities on earth and considering you on on a bdsm board, the reasons should be obvious.  Dungeons open 24 hours a day 7 days a week, munches every day of the week, more bdsm groups than  you can name, home to many of the best bdsm authors, home to many of the kink friendly professionals, and a city that allows the takeover of an entire blvd so 10s of thousands of perverts can have a giant play party in the street.

Yeah, fucking awful place to live alright!


its an absolutely beautiful place, yes.

but earthquakes terrify me.  so personally i wouldnt live there.  not that hurricanes in florida are that much better.....

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 12:08:35 AM   
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Apparently, I've been too abrasive, so I take everything back: Hotlantians and MidWesterners are good and educated people, as are San Franciscans. Do inbreds even exist anymore? *hugs*

Love,
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you've obviously never met some of my cousins.  that family tree doubles back on itself in some of the linage...

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 12:38:05 AM   
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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 1:15:27 AM   
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Lol, GM. Frankly, I've been amused at the posts of yours that I've read, in this and other threads. If popeye can be offensive, why can't someone give it back to him? I think the issue is those who don't appreciate wry sarcasm from young ladies.

E-String, I simply didn't think you were bothering to mock her for everything she posted in this thread, only the last two. *shrug* Everyone is entitled to their opinions - you, her, popeye - oh, and me too.

Lady Seraphina

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Actually, as someone who uses a wood burning stove for heat, and having neighbors who use forced air fireplaces to heat their homes to save money on the high cost of propane where we live, having someone say that fireplaces should be banned and only midwest yokels with twenty kids use them does not meet my standard for wry sarcasm. It sounds more like someone speaking about something they know nothing about.
Obviously your standard is lower.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 1:34:46 AM   
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Lol, GM. Frankly, I've been amused at the posts of yours that I've read, in this and other threads. If popeye can be offensive, why can't someone give it back to him? I think the issue is those who don't appreciate wry sarcasm from young ladies.

E-String, I simply didn't think you were bothering to mock her for everything she posted in this thread, only the last two. *shrug* Everyone is entitled to their opinions - you, her, popeye - oh, and me too.

Lady Seraphina

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Actually, as someone who uses a wood burning stove for heat, and having neighbors who use forced air fireplaces to heat their homes to save money on the high cost of propane where we live, having someone say that fireplaces should be banned and only midwest yokels with twenty kids use them does not meet my standard for wry sarcasm. It sounds more like someone speaking about something they know nothing about.
Obviously your standard is lower.


I think the operative phrase in My earlier post is "in the yay".
The issue is whether or nor the city council of San Francisco will ban fireplaces due to some supposed research that the smoke originating from its chimneys contribute to global warming. There is no other reference in any of My postings that other cities or states should welcome the ban, as well.
However, instead of furthering the debate on fireplaces or global warming, SF bashing began.
Ergo, My quips on the Mid-West and the South were pure retort and jest.

I understand that many homes necessitate a use for fireplaces because of a rural location, because of its low-energy and low-cost , and hell - the crackling of a hearth really is nice to experience. But as many have pointed out, people in San Francisco and the Bay(yay)Area are wealthy enough in general to afford other means of heat. It's a highly industrialized region, and I have a feeling that most residents who have fireplaces don't even use them anyway. My mom has two, and for the past thirteen years has not touch either once.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 3:04:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good grief this is ridiculous. If you've never been there, and frankly many that have been, you don't know what you're talking about. Anyone heard of an "inversion layer?" Often when they form over cities, they trap the smoke and particulate matter. Not terribly big a problem for a city like Denver, or say, Cleveland, if the stuff gets too dense it can just leak away out the sides. Not so in the panoramic SF Bay. The geography surrounds the bay with foothills several hundred feet deep, essentially a broad bowl. When the winter inversion layers clamp down on top of that bowl, it's like living in a stagnant pond.

When I was a boy, you could actually see across the bay. That's right, standing in the Trans-America tower, you could clearly make out the houses in Sausalito. And you could see Candlestick Park from the Oakland Airport. During an inversion, you can't even see from one end of the Golden Gate to the other on a perfectly blue sky day. It's straight up disgusting. I used to commute in from Walnut Creek and as you cleared the Caldecott tunnel and descended into the soup it just made you want to hold your breath all day. Sometimes you can actually see the smog streaming over the bay hills just like fog does, except it is brown.

Oh and, based on resources and available means, anyone in the city proper who uses a fireplace for heat or esthetics is openly anti-social because it is entirely unnecessary there. For one thing, the temperature in SF never drops below 50. Street people don't like to get cold.
Here in Washington State, people burn wood in their cars to stay warm. If we had an inversion layer, it might be useful to help keep the heat in.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 5:15:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, so typo's equal that? I was pretty lazy that time and didn't use ieSpell, but I did check some of your previous posts in other areas, and found some as well. Guess we are both a couple of in breeders, eh?

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Not many of those around here. Do you have a lot of experience with inbredding?

Orion


Case closed.

Love,
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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 9:09:31 AM   
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Good grief this is ridiculous. If you've never been there, and frankly many that have been, you don't know what you're talking about. Anyone heard of an "inversion layer?" Often when they form over cities, they trap the smoke and particulate matter. Not terribly big a problem for a city like Denver, or say, Cleveland, if the stuff gets too dense it can just leak away out the sides. Not so in the panoramic SF Bay. The geography surrounds the bay with foothills several hundred feet deep, essentially a broad bowl. When the winter inversion layers clamp down on top of that bowl, it's like living in a stagnant pond.

When I was a boy, you could actually see across the bay. That's right, standing in the Trans-America tower, you could clearly make out the houses in Sausalito. And you could see Candlestick Park from the Oakland Airport. During an inversion, you can't even see from one end of the Golden Gate to the other on a perfectly blue sky day. It's straight up disgusting. I used to commute in from Walnut Creek and as you cleared the Caldecott tunnel and descended into the soup it just made you want to hold your breath all day. Sometimes you can actually see the smog streaming over the bay hills just like fog does, except it is brown.

Oh and, based on resources and available means, anyone in the city proper who uses a fireplace for heat or esthetics is openly anti-social because it is entirely unnecessary there. For one thing, the temperature in SF never drops below 50. Street people don't like to get cold.
Here in Washington State, people burn wood in their cars to stay warm. If we had an inversion layer, it might be useful to help keep the heat in.


Actually Denver has burn and no burn days, due to the air quality conditions they've experienced.  On "Red" (no burn) days, there are mandatory burning restrictions for everyone under 7000 feet.

I grew up in the South SF Bay Area and I recall as you do - on clear days you could stand atop the foothills and see SF - totally amazing.  The SF winds blow much of the bad air into the valley, where it becomes trapped at the hills in San Jose, Milpitas, etc.  Seeing a show at the Mountain Winery in Saratoga used to be really cool because you could see the Bay Area lights at night.  Now, as you drive up the hill, you can look down upon a sheet of brown - so appealing!!

I've heard it said that this merky air has begun to seep its way over the hills and linger in the Central Valley.  SF's neighbors have had a resentful eye on SF for some time because of this. 

Personally, I'm a fan of fireplaces.  When I've had them I've used them, if not for heat then for ambiance.  When I lived in the Sierra Foothills I used a wood burning stove for heat - it's such a nicer heat than the furnace provided and so much more economical as well.  But now there are musings in the foothills about the air quality and what to do about it.

I haven't heard anything about a linkage to global warming; just the quality of what we are inhaling.

As for SF's criticisms stated here, I love SF but I've found NYC to be much cleaner and more appealing.  SF is beautiful and offers so much, but it is dirty.  With all it offers to the homeless, perhaps it attracts the homeless?  For as much money as the city spends per capita on homeless, one should be amazed they have not solved the problem yet.  I personally know when I go there, which is fairly often, I can expect to smell stale urine in the parking garages, and to be harassed by someone wanting money from me.  Not just a "brother can you spare a dime" request, but a "Fuck you, you bitch" comment if I do not provide. 

While Popeye exaggerated rental costs, he wasn't too far off.  Your average 2 bedroom apartment in any district worth living in runs about $2,000/month on average, if not a bit more.  However, all that talk of excrement left all over the city is not something I've ever seen evidence of.  And having walked the Golden Gate, I can't say I have ever seen such waste on its streets or sidewalks.

It's a lovely city; it just needs some touching up.


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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 9:18:42 AM   
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E-string, I'm not sure why you are mocking GM

Probably for the same reason that I am.  In the course of two posts on this thread, she has said these words (presumably in reference to those who don't like the idea of living in SF):
"honkytonk, redneck, inbred, cheesemaking losers" and "slackjawed yokels and their inbreds in hotlanta need 'em to warm their twenty kids or so."  Filthy, ignorant words and as worthy of mockery as any of the stupid things ever said here on the forums in my opinion.
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Personally, I thought the first was amusing, and the second was entirely accurate. Just wondering if I missed something.

Yeah but if you don't know what, I certainly won't be able to enlighten you.  One person's ignorant, hateful rant is another's amusement.  As I have said over and over and over on here, change some of those terms to ones slurring blacks, homosexuals or pretty much any other group and most people would fall all over themselves to tell the young lady how wrong she is.  But, if it's only rednecks, inbreds, and slackjawed yokels being derided, hey that's cool, right?...............luci


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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 9:42:24 AM   
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...Dungeons open 24 hours a day 7 days a week, munches every day of the week, more bdsm groups than  you can name, home to many of the best bdsm authors, home to many of the kink friendly professionals, and a city that allows the takeover of an entire blvd so 10s of thousands of perverts can have a giant play party in the street...


TOTALLY agree with Micheal as these are just some of the many reasons San Francisco is fan-freakin-tastic...in this slave's humble opinion...who needs a fireplace with so many warm friendly folks you can warm up with in so many other ways? 

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 10:08:59 AM   
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LA has more homeless -since it is warm- many migrate there.

California is expensive. SF like many big cities is currupt. Pollution? Try Chicago!  A sunny day means 40 minutes of sun will poke thru the smog.         It isnt like  rural PA where sunny means sunny.

Why are there no public restrooms?

The tenderloin district is dangerous.

The mass transit- nice compared to east cities.

Diseases?  yup. There and new york.  add it all up- and I am a small town boy. From here- I want to go more rural.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 10:16:57 AM   
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well there are certain thigns to bear in mind not including the fires in southern cali recently and all.something else to keep in mind, not every single person does their best in keeping things such as fireplaces cleaned the way they should and that can lead to many problems. also to keep in mind there are some who do not keep a constant eye on a contained fire which can go easily out of control by something as simple as a stray spark.

then there is also the fact that even contained and not contained fires can get out of control.a good exaple of that is the town i live in.just in under a three week period there have been at least 3 fires that have displaced several people due to severe fire damage.

so in addition to environmental concerns there are also several safety concerns involved as well.



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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 10:31:11 AM   
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Lady S, I've been to S.F. many times.
You go into the airport and there's trash on the floors, people yelling at each other in foreign languages, women fist fighting out by the taxis, people relieving themselves in the parking building.

Heavens.  Arguments in foreign lanuages at a major international airport?  Alert the media and Homeland Security!

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It was like a bus station not an airport. And I thought Logan in Boston was bad.

It is bad, but then I haven't been to an airport in a major metropolitan city that didn't suck.  Judging a city by the airports seems a little off the wall though.  They're a necessary evil in a big city.  And actually, the airport isn't even in San Francisco.   It's in San Bruno, 13 miles south of the city.  San Bruno sucks.  I hear there arent even any "supermarkets" there.

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And that was the last time I was there in '98.

You were there 10 years ago?  Wow, I can see why you think you know so much about San Francisco, expecially since you haven't even been there in this century.  You could probably put Frommer's out of business with your encyclopedic, up to date knowledge of the city.

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Then you go into the city and it stinks! And the homeless are everywhere and so is their excrement so watch where you step.
Care for a $20 piece of ass m or f at any time of the day or night? They're everywhere too.

I'll take your word on the cost of renting "pleasurable company" since it's not something I have ever been interested in.  As for watching where you step, I've never had to alter my course to avoid or inadvertantly stepped in any human waste in the eight years I lived there.  I was probably just lucky.

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And I think a gallon of milk was $6 at that time and oh, no "supermarkets" in the city.

If you spent the entirety of your visit in either the Tenderloin or the financial districts, that might be the case.  I think those are the only neighborhoods in the city without a full size grocery store.  You clearly missed the dozen or so Safeways or the many other smaller markets in the city.  The only way you could have possibly spent $6 a gallon for milk is if you bought some boutique brand organic milk from a place such as Rainbow Grocery or the like.

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Oh, you couldn't park if there were supermarkets anyway.

I must be imagining all of the parking lots that I used when buying groceries every week.

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And, the city council loves to deprive citizens of their rights.

Sadly, that's not a trait that's limited to any one city these days, but that's a discussion for another forum.

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Nice parks though if you don't mind being accosted by panhandlers every five minutes, but, they're all over the city anyway.

I would get hit up by the urchins who sat on the sidewalk in the Haight with their dogs on my way to Golden Gate park when I went there to skate, but with infrequent exceptions, that was pretty much it.  Strangely enough, after suggesting that they could solve not only their hunger problem but also the issue of finding food for their dog in one fell swoop if they ate their dogs, they generally didn't ask me for money the next time they saw me. 

Is it possible that you attracted them so frequently because they could tell you were a tourist?  Who can say.

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Certainly not the cleanest city I've ever been in.

True enough.  Cities are dirty places.

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And more expensive than NYC but Stef will probably argue that point.

I've never lived in NYC, so I really can't comment on that.  Unlike you, I'm not going to argue about topics on which I have no valid information.

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