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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 10:35:57 AM   
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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 10:42:46 AM   
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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 11:15:13 AM   
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Popeye, I wasn't disagreeing, given that I've never been to San Francisco, but you wouldn't deny you're abrasive, would you? I always thought you took pride in it.


LadyS, Abrasive? Moi?
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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 11:57:22 AM   
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well there are certain thigns to bear in mind not including the fires in southern cali recently and all.something else to keep in mind, not every single person does their best in keeping things such as fireplaces cleaned the way they should and that can lead to many problems. also to keep in mind there are some who do not keep a constant eye on a contained fire which can go easily out of control by something as simple as a stray spark.

then there is also the fact that even contained and not contained fires can get out of control.a good exaple of that is the town i live in.just in under a three week period there have been at least 3 fires that have displaced several people due to severe fire damage.

so in addition to environmental concerns there are also several safety concerns involved as well.





On that note- I am amazed at how many DONT have thier furnace cleaned every year! Not only will it burn better- but the improved efficiency will mean cheaper costs- even when you count the service charge!   I offerred to buy mom one at her own place... it had never been done in 17 years.[her old place]  The thing is- it is more commen then not. The furnace is like an engine on a car. You have to keep it in good shape.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 1:12:49 PM   
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E-string, I'm not sure why you are mocking GM

Probably for the same reason that I am.  In the course of two posts on this thread, she has said these words (presumably in reference to those who don't like the idea of living in SF):
"honkytonk, redneck, inbred, cheesemaking losers" and "slackjawed yokels and their inbreds in hotlanta need 'em to warm their twenty kids or so."  Filthy, ignorant words and as worthy of mockery as any of the stupid things ever said here on the forums in my opinion.
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Personally, I thought the first was amusing, and the second was entirely accurate. Just wondering if I missed something.

Yeah but if you don't know what, I certainly won't be able to enlighten you.  One person's ignorant, hateful rant is another's amusement.  As I have said over and over and over on here, change some of those terms to ones slurring blacks, homosexuals or pretty much any other group and most people would fall all over themselves to tell the young lady how wrong she is.  But, if it's only rednecks, inbreds, and slackjawed yokels being derided, hey that's cool, right?...............luci



What if, for the sake of argument, I tell you that I'm a proud, bred Hoosier gal? And that I consider Myself both Southern and Midwestern? And that I love coming home for the holidays because there is *actual* snow and the passerbys *actually* smile?
And that My posts were inane because they were in response to inanity? The whole fight fire with fire (this post *is* about fireplaces, anyway) method? Familiar?

Apologies if you felt that My words were hateful and ignorant (courtesy of Mod 11, as well), but I simply used them in jest to highlight how stupid others sounded when bashing SF while skirting the greater issue about fireplaces and what they pose to the city - to Me, SF is a gorgeous city, the homeless are a legitimate community (not dehumanized bugs) and if you're smart about it, you can budget and live well in the city. Of course, My sense of humor can get completely lost over the greats internets, but it's there, somewhere.

I swear.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 1:34:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, slaveluci, I have to think it should have been obvious that these terms were being used in sarcasm, much as I may mock rednecks here in Canada, but was raised on a ranch. She was writing in part from the voice of a San Franciscan who would actually ask their cat if they can have a fireplace. Perhaps I simply have a thicker skin when it comes to self-directed jokes. I don't tolerate bigotry or racism, but it's possible that being a white woman from Western Canada I simply do not feel as threatened by jibes at groups I and my family (who are spread throughout the United States, as well as here in Canada) are part of.

One might also wish to remember that sometimes using terms that make a person bristle is a technique to highlight how ridiculous it is to judge anyone, or any group. I could choose to mock.. say, pierced wierdos, some would join in, and others would bristle. Of course, the fact is that I have 12 body piercings and have never met someone who was specifically weird (in the negative way) because of being pierced, but I've seen many people judged because of it, and thus might be drawing attention to how silly the stereotyping is.

But again, unless we asked the reasoning behind a comment, neither of us can be sure whether it was said ironically, or with prejudiced intent.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 1:37:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadySeraphina

Popeye, I wasn't disagreeing, given that I've never been to San Francisco, but you wouldn't deny you're abrasive, would you? I always thought you took pride in it.


LadyS, Abrasive? Moi?
Nah! It's hard to tell what someone is like online.
I look for the humor in life and I like to laugh.
Ask my buddy Stef.


Smartypants. That's why I enjoy your posts, even when I don't agree with you. (Not that this was one of those times, but I've seen we land on opposite sides of many issues.)

Lady S

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/26/2007 2:29:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadySeraphina


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: LadySeraphina

Popeye, I wasn't disagreeing, given that I've never been to San Francisco, but you wouldn't deny you're abrasive, would you? I always thought you took pride in it.


LadyS, Abrasive? Moi?
Nah! It's hard to tell what someone is like online.
I look for the humor in life and I like to laugh.
Ask my buddy Stef.


Smartypants. That's why I enjoy your posts, even when I don't agree with you. (Not that this was one of those times, but I've seen we land on opposite sides of many issues.)

Lady S


LadyS, you're pretty cool too, for a Western Canadian!
And Moderator 11 makes me laugh all the time!
(I would just once like to see her go to "12" though! OooooBaby!)

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/27/2007 12:52:22 AM   
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I live in SF now, though I am relocating to the North Bay. SF is a shithole, don't let anyone tell you differently. While the hilly landscape and Mediterranean- inspired architecture is aesthetically pleasing in the extremely affluent areas, that does not negate the fact that simple freedoms are absent within the city, and the municipal governemnt is always looking for more liberties to discard "for your own safety". Apparently, concern for "your own safety", does not include the thousands of vagrants accosting you at every turn for change or narcotics. Human excrement is seemingly ubiquitous and clearly the norm in parks, sidewalks, alleys, etc. Apparently, diseases such as hepatitis, which can survive for weeks outside the body, are not concerning from a public health standpoint, but God help you if you have enough gall to smoke a cigarette or cigar. Furthermore, SF has earned the horrifying distinction of being the "Least Family Friendly City" in the country, though you can be fairly certain your pets will have ample representation. I wouldn't raise my kids there, and it's not hard to see why. They have a ridiculous lottery system for public schooling, so even if you lived across the street from a school, your child probably won't be going there anyway. They recently banned plastic bags, so don't be caught with one. They tried to ban the Blue Angels airshow recently, though fortunately even SF residents had to concede that was a pretty ridiculous proposal. In short, SF perpetuates its own sterotype- it is a city of very special interests- the absurdly rich, the techno geeks from Silicon Valley who hit it big during the "Dot Com" craze, the Gay/Lesbian communities, but not much of a middle class. Indeed, it is a very two-class town, the abject poor and the super rich. It doesn't take some shrewd deductions either, anyone can plainly see the disparities upon entering the city limits. It is too bad though, the panoramic views of the bay and the general topography are quite stunning.



 As a fourth generation San Franciscan and non-bdsmer..... I definitely agree with the parts of your post that identify the filthiness which has beleaguered many parts of the city.

Portland -- six hundred miles to the north---roughly has the same inner-city population, but is far far cleaner; even in the seediest parts of town.

The ''special interests'' part was also well articulated. And I agree.



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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/27/2007 1:17:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Portland is a shadow of a town compared to the City by the Bay, it even looks sort of the same with the shriveled up little bay of a Wilammette River. The thing even floods feces in the winter, just like it's big brother to the south at China Basin. Portland may have the same inner city population, but that is because it evaporates to farmland and coyote scrub brush as soon as you cross the street.

The reason Portland may seem clean is because it is a ghost town. Surprisingly, the first thing I noticed when I moved here in '93 from SF was the number of homeless camped under overpasses and such, of course, it was summer then. I thought I was especially qualified to make the comparison since I used to be one of those urchins sitting on the Haight. Somehow I always managed to find a legal toilet back then, so it is possible.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/27/2007 1:34:33 AM   
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Portland is a shadow of a town compared to the City by the Bay, it even looks sort of the same with the shriveled up little bay of a Wilammette River. The thing even floods feces in the winter, just like it's big brother to the south at China Basin. Portland may have the same inner city population, but that is because it evaporates to farmland and coyote scrub brush as soon as you cross the street.

The reason Portland may seem clean is because it is a ghost town. Surprisingly, the first thing I noticed when I moved here in '93 from SF was the number of homeless camped under overpasses and such, of course, it was summer then. I thought I was especially qualified to make the comparison since I used to be one of those urchins sitting on the Haight. Somehow I always managed to find a legal toilet back then, so it is possible.



 
Wow.....  both of us relocating at roughly the same time {me '96} but with such different takes.

I agree with you that they are very similar in look {Hills, old Victorian/Craftsman neighborhoods, water fronts, etc} but to compare Burnside with the Tenderloin or 82nd / North Portland with Hunters Point, and the types of street people----there's no comparison, my friend.






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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/27/2007 1:36:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Portland did seem a little dead when I went there this summer, but it's definitely booming. There's construction EVERYWHERE, and the vibe is catching up to the cool people there.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/27/2007 1:58:28 AM   
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Portland did seem a little dead when I went there this summer, but it's definitely booming. There's construction EVERYWHERE, and the vibe is catching up to the cool people there.

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GM



GM / Baby G :

Make no mistake.....Portland IS catching up. But it will prolly never catch SF in stature, scene, kink, ethnicity /cultural experience, financial/tech mecca, etc. Oh yeah....and there is no ''Marin'' right over the bridge.{I grew up in Larkspur }

However....if you are into '' Big city / west coast affordability'', it's hard to beat Portland. The location I am currently spying, has me skiing off Mt Hood, running some of the finest class-5 whitewater in North America, and then back downtown at '' El Guacho'' for a forty-dollar steak in roughly a half hour.

That's just not possible in SF




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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/27/2007 2:12:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Steaks cost $40? I don't eat meat...and Burnside is East Oakland, North Portland is Benicia and Troutdale is Pittsburg except they don't sell crack there - yet.

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/27/2007 2:27:19 AM   
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Burnside is East Oakland, North Portland is Benicia and Troutdale is Pittsburg except they don't sell crack there - yet.



HAR!!

You either have a very shrewd-sardonic sense of humor and maybe messn' with me or, you're paranoid and don't get out too often.

Dude...I can't tell you how many times I've walked Burnside WAY late at night.....and never once have I been accosted or had someone get up in my face. Sure....panhandlers ask for spare change....but that's nothing...and surely part of any city of Portland's stature.




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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/27/2007 2:44:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course I am being sardonic. On the other hand, you know the Burger King that used to be on Burnside, down by Powells Books? Used to be a couple Afro-American gals, sit on that brick planter box out back and serve up $20 rocks all night long, just like down in big sister Oakland. And this vegetarian used to walk all over Oakland at night, used to trip through the crypts in the Oakland Cemetery as a teen.

It's all in how you look at things, can you tell I'm stuck up here?

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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/27/2007 2:53:26 AM   
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Of course I am being sardonic. On the other hand, you know the Burger King that used to be on Burnside, down by Powells Books? Used to be a couple Afro-American gals, sit on that brick planter box out back and serve up $20 rocks all night long, just like down in big sister Oakland. And this vegetarian used to walk all over Oakland at night, used to trip through the crypts in the Oakland Cemetery as a teen.

It's all in how you look at things, can you tell I'm stuck up here?



Okay.....makes sense now--you're not up there by choice. I will tell you...  if Portland didn't have the skiing and whitwater a half-hour away, I'd be back down in Marin in a heartbeat.



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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/27/2007 3:10:25 AM   
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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/27/2007 3:10:55 AM   
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RE: San Francisco considers ban on fireplaces - 11/27/2007 6:38:47 AM   
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