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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 2:50:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		A common spoken language should be a requirement for any country. People seem to think skin color or looks is the root of racism…not necessarily so. If you can’t understand each other you will not develop trust and acceptance.

I believe people unconsciously search out those they have most in common with and they do it as a survival instinct. It is built into us during our evolution to help us complete in a competitive world.

Now just me perhaps but I caught myself classifying people by the way they talked… I did not like people who spoke slang…especially in the black community. To myself I though...hey speak English. Now it was not a black prejudice because many of my black friends talked like I did and I did not even notice their skin color…It was the WAY they talked. Then because of work I had to associate with a man who irritated me with his speech.  Soon however, when I got to know him, everything changed and I saw what an idiot I’d been…But if not for him I would still be prejudiced.

We were both speaking English, or a form of it, and still it was easy to develop a prejudice.
I can’t understand people who resist this requirement…then complain of prejudice.

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RE: Multiculturalism is dangerous? - 11/28/2007 3:01:20 PM   
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The right wing is getting more brazen in their plan to confuse racism with homeland security. http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/terrorism.php?id=1385596

Are they scared ninnies, or do they have a point?



I think they have a point.  But please be advised that a Nationality is not a race nor is a religion.

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 3:38:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, no, Singapore has four national languages, and they do just fine.  Many countries have more than one official language.

I'm not suggesting that the national language of the U.S. should be anything other than English.  Just saying...that people don't always bother to make sure that their statements are supported by those pesky things called facts.

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A common spoken language should be a requirement for any country.

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 4:29:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think a better title for this thread would be; "Is multi-culturalism really neccessary?"
I certainly don't feel "enriched" by what's happenned to this country in the last 30 years.
I doubt that the families of those 3 college kids who were executed in N.J. by those illegal aliens feel "enriched" either.
And a lot of other families too.

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 4:49:43 PM   
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And crime-rate and/or corruption lowering that score by a percentage...First World nations tend to moralize and negotiate with criminals!

EPGAH:
That is probably a good thing in your case.  Since your posts show that you are one of those criminals who would benefit from that policy.  Remember that conspiracy to commit a felony is a felony.  That is why Tom Metzger is in prison and no longer has a home, car or business.  When you encourage the murder of people,when you encourage the drugging of people,when you encourage the castration of people against their will that is a felony.
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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 4:50:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fair enough Popeye but how far do you go back. The USA is a melting pot of cultures and to me that makes it a very interesting and pleasant place to visit.

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 4:51:47 PM   
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I think a better title for this thread would be; "Is multi-culturalism really neccessary?"
I certainly don't feel "enriched" by what's happenned to this country in the last 30 years.
I doubt that the families of those 3 college kids who were executed in N.J. by those illegal aliens feel "enriched" either.
And a lot of other families too.

popeye:
There was a time,not so very long ago,when the Irish were despised.  Think how very different your life would have been had America not been enriched with your culture.
thompson

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 4:54:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I heartedly disagree. Multiculturalism has value and worth for every community. Many studies have demonstrated that everybody, especially white students, benefitted academically and socially when interacting with students from various backgrounds.

This article is a little old, but still pertinent: http://www.diversityweb.org/Digest/W97/research.html

For Me, I'd really flounder if I had to live in any kind of mono-town.
And biatch, I'M multicultural and god knows I've contributed so much awesomeness to this board.

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 4:55:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thompson, i think that the latest wave of immigrants are always the ones that are despised. As soon as another wave arrive, they become the target of blame for societies ills.

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 4:58:38 PM   
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Actually, no, Singapore has four national languages, and they do just fine.  Many countries have more than one official language.

I'm not suggesting that the national language of the U.S. should be anything other than English.  Just saying...that people don't always bother to make sure that their statements are supported by those pesky things called facts.

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A common spoken language should be a requirement for any country.


Lordandmaster:
Point well taken.  Lets not forget the Philippines,Switzerland and India.
My understanding is that most Europeans speak several languages.  Most people consider being multi-lingual to be a mark of an educated person.
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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 5:28:23 PM   
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Thompson, i think that the latest wave of immigrants are always the ones that are despised. As soon as another wave arrive, they become the target of blame for societies ills.


Excellent point.  It's interesting how a generation settled in comfortably can give themselves a sense of entitlement that newcomers don't get.

I'd guess that if many of us could talk to our great-grandparents, they'd say that the justifications for not welcoming them into the U.S. (and then being treated as second class citizens) use the same language as we're hearing today.

Really, can you even think of even a single wave of immigrants to the U.S. that was truly "welcomed with open arms"?

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 5:33:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not just by waves, but by WAR. Whoever we fight, we tend to despise, and it's reflected just beautifully in the media.

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 6:16:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Every other wave of immigrants came in legally, in an orderly fashion - and they didn't form into angry mobs to march around in our cities under other flags, making demands of us. 

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Excellent point.  It's interesting how a generation settled in comfortably can give themselves a sense of entitlement that newcomers don't get.

I'd guess that if many of us could talk to our great-grandparents, they'd say that the justifications for not welcoming them into the U.S. (and then being treated as second class citizens) use the same language as we're hearing today.

Really, can you even think of even a single wave of immigrants to the U.S. that was truly "welcomed with open arms"?


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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 6:26:59 PM   
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Every other wave of immigrants came in legally, in an orderly fashion - and they didn't form into angry mobs to march around in our cities under other flags, making demands of us. 

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Excellent point.  It's interesting how a generation settled in comfortably can give themselves a sense of entitlement that newcomers don't get.

I'd guess that if many of us could talk to our great-grandparents, they'd say that the justifications for not welcoming them into the U.S. (and then being treated as second class citizens) use the same language as we're hearing today.

Really, can you even think of even a single wave of immigrants to the U.S. that was truly "welcomed with open arms"?



You must be forgetting history.  The Draft Riots of 1863 involved the Irish and helped fuel fear and racism against the Irish across the country.  African Americans marched and demanded justice for civil rights in this country.  There are plentiful examples of "mobs" of people marching in this country and making demands.

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 6:29:56 PM   
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Every other wave of immigrants came in legally, in an orderly fashion - and they didn't form into angry mobs to march around in our cities under other flags, making demands of us. 

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ORIGINAL: DomMeinCT

Excellent point.  It's interesting how a generation settled in comfortably can give themselves a sense of entitlement that newcomers don't get.

I'd guess that if many of us could talk to our great-grandparents, they'd say that the justifications for not welcoming them into the U.S. (and then being treated as second class citizens) use the same language as we're hearing today.

Really, can you even think of even a single wave of immigrants to the U.S. that was truly "welcomed with open arms"?



Sanity, exactly.
The Irish were treated as second class citizens but for the most part they came legally.
I don't think anyone has a problem with "Immigrants" it's the ones who sneak into our country that people don't like.
Politesub, we don't "despise" immigrants.
Although I don't think it's really needed anymore we still let in 3 million immigrants each year so don't worry, it's still colorfull here.

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 6:43:15 PM   
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You must be forgetting history.  The Draft Riots of 1863 involved the Irish and helped fuel fear and racism against the Irish across the country.  African Americans marched and demanded justice for civil rights in this country.  There are plentiful examples of "mobs" of people marching in this country and making demands.


I'M forgetting history? Try again:

1. The Irish didn't march under Irish flags, as Mexicans march under Mexican flags today.

2. The Irish came here legally, and the sick and the criminal and anyone else we didn't want for any reason or for no reason at all were sent back.

3. African - Americans didn't come here illegaly as "immigrants" - African Americans weren't invaders marching under foreign flags, either, so your argument there makes no sense.

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 6:48:11 PM   
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Sanity, exactly.
The Irish were treated as second class citizens but for the most part they came legally.
I don't think anyone has a problem with "Immigrants" it's the ones who sneak into our country that people don't like.
Politesub, we don't "despise" immigrants.
Although I don't think it's really needed anymore we still let in 3 million immigrants each year so don't worry, it's still colorfull here.


Right popeye, it's the illegal ones who are the problem. It's an invasion, and the crimes they're committing alone are reason enough to make the coming election a single issue referendum, so far as I'm concerned.

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 6:58:59 PM   
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Sanity, exactly.
The Irish were treated as second class citizens but for the most part they came legally.
I don't think anyone has a problem with "Immigrants" it's the ones who sneak into our country that people don't like.
Politesub, we don't "despise" immigrants.
Although I don't think it's really needed anymore we still let in 3 million immigrants each year so don't worry, it's still colorfull here.


Right popeye, it's the illegal ones who are the problem. It's an invasion, and the crimes they're committing alone are reason enough to make the coming election a single issue referendum, so far as I'm concerned.

Sanity:
Is it your position that our invading their country was OK?
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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 7:16:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		What are you trying to change the topic to Thompson? 16th century Spanish land claims?

I suggest you step into this century, or start a new thread if you want to talk about Indian wars, or pre-American borders, or whatever.

Right now (in this century) we have a nation and borders, and this thread is based on that reality.

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RE: Multiculturalim is dangurous? - 11/28/2007 7:20:03 PM   
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What are you trying to change the topic to Thompson? 16th century Spanish land claims?

I suggest you step into this century, or start a new thread if you want to talk about Indian wars, or pre-American borders, or whatever.

Right now (in this century) we have a nation and borders, and this thread is based on that reality.

Sanity:
Thus far your posts are based on an appalling lack of knowledge of American history.
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