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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Stella, this is your quote from an earlier post.
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What has Thatcher got to do with Poland? Was it not Thatcher who together with Reagan sought to bring an end to the Cold War and communism? Oh and was it not Margaret Thatcher who persuaded George Bush senior to declare war on Iraq for invading Kuwait in 1990?
It was her government and people who killed off the British mining industry - an industry which like all our others needed restructuring, not destroying or selling off - by importing cheaper Polish coal, and then when that proved too expensive and a cheaper alternative was found, the Polish mining industry was destroyed and cheaper Ukrainian coal was imported.
Your ideas about coal dont tally with the facts. The coal industry has been in long decline, especially since the 50s. The rush for cleaner fuels for indoor us, such as north sea gas, and oil fired central heating. The closure of the larger UK industries in iron and Steel. The clamour for cheaper and cleaner energy such as gas and nuclear power, long oppossed by Labout until they took office i may add, all of these spelt the end of coal. The miners strike was just the end of an era, yes Thatcher wanted to put the unions in their place, but the decline in coal useage in the Uk had been going on for the previous 30 years at least.
You speak of the Polish mining industry, it has somewhere around 10% of the worlds coal reserves. If, and you didnt provide evidence, Britain started buying coal from a cheaper source, whats wrong with that. Everyone producing things for profit is how it is, tell me how else people will pay for goods. Or rather, tell me who should pay the cost to offset profit, because one way or another, the general public will pay, as per usual.
Points taken, Politesub, but I did write restructuring, not maintaining. I give an example of restructuring which was successful in a few of the coalmines in South Wales where the miners themselves took over.
I've also got nothing against profits being made for goods and services. Capitalism works. But also when you start reducing costs and overheads to maximize profits in some cases the quality of your goods and services can be affected. Sometimes investment is needed. And besides, certain things I feel shouldn't be run for profit, such as the health service, education and refuse collection.
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Tell me also that the first invasion of Iraq, to free Kuwait was wrong ? If that was wrong, was intervention in Bosnia to save the Muslims also wrong ? Why keep quiet about the Russian attrocities in Poland in WW2, yet make a point of the German ones ? is one atrocity any less than the other, or do we pick and choose which is okay due to political viewpoints ?
No, intervention in Bosnia wasn't wrong. But from what I remember Saddam Hussein didn't seriously have any serious territorial claims to Kuwait, it was an act of provocation to make a point, and from my perspective it worked. I was giving an example with Germany, I am aware of the Russian atrocities not just during the Second World War, but also at the start of the century when they were purging the country of Jews. How else do you think Leeds suddenly became a city, and why does it have the largest Jewish population in the UK? I'm not picking and choosing atrocities. However if you like we can discuss the subject of Enigma and the mysterious death of General Sikorsky during the Second World War. I'd be interested to know what you think about that.
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Finally, nice trick admiring politicians who always held the same viewpoints and forgetting to mention Tina ( There Is No Alternative ) Thatcher.
This wasn't a trick. As far as I'm aware Colonel Gaddafi has been in power in Libya for over thirty years but hasn't declared war on anybody, and neither he nor Ken Livngstone have caused as much unemployment or poverty as Margaret Thatcher and her government and 'friends'. I assume you see the point I'm making here.
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