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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 9:58:04 PM

TheHeretic

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Thanks for the link, DC. The original email that sent me off to find the Snopes link also said it was the Anthem. More than one version circulating, perhaps?

I'm also kind of curious for other posters to educate me about which religions require intentional disrespect to the flag? I'm not talking about yarmulkes or veils here. Snarkism? Superiority Complexianism?

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 9:59:27 PM

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I've been amazed at sporting events by the number of people who don't put their hands over their hearts during the anthem.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:09:25 PM

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...when I "spill" a quart of soda on the guy who doesn't take his hat off for the Anthem before a ballgame.

Do you enjoy getting kicked in the balls, a chop to the neck, or something else equally unpleasant?

Newsflash: you aren't the boss of anyone, and that shit just won't fly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(crime)

I suggest you keep your soda to yourself.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:13:46 PM

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You do realize that wikipedia is a poor source for legal citation don't you? Assault, battery and all other similar misdemeanor crimes vary incredibly from state to state. If you're going to give legal advice on a bdsm forum...at least get it right.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:15:15 PM

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I'm not a lawyer, why would I give legal advice?

Anyway, it's just a pointer - people can do their own research if it's that important.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:20:08 PM

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I'm not a lawyer, why would I give legal advice?

Anyway, it's just a pointer - people can do their own research if it's that important.

yep that would be my point.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:23:51 PM

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It's one of those funny moments, Sugar. All of a sudden, six or seven complete strangers are backing my play, and the guy directly behind me will swear on a stack of bibles he lost his footing and pushed me.

Oh, and I don't start to really have fun in a fight until I've taken a couple of shots.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:26:55 PM

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Well yeah but for various reasons even before this I wouldn't vote for him, although...Hilary could embroider a flag in gold and I wouldn't vote for her......not alot of choices between the many evils...omg...am I talking politics here...damn it....

I would never vote for Hillary either, although Obama was a possible contender for my vote if he won the primary.

I am a Dennis Kucinich sorta gal... although since the democrats will not support him my vote will likely be cast for a Green or some other third party

I feel the same as you.

As an aside: I am NOT baiting here, but I've seen pictures and videos, and of course stories from My perfect guy, of dead/dying soldiers and it is NOT noble. Perhaps symbolically, but it's some of the saddest and sickening sights ever.

Love,
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I guess you don't quite understand...His act of volunteering for his country and going to war, however was a noble act. To say our soliders are not noble and brave regardless of what the administration does, is just foolish.

I understand, but I only wrote as such because earlier you said that his death was noble - right?
But I think, as you expanded here, that you meant that his volunteering and service was commendable and noble.

Blah, it's silly - I don't want to put words in your mouth or make assumptions.

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trust me at 22 you don't come close to seeing as much of it as I have or living with the consequences.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:29:50 PM

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It's one of those funny moments, Sugar. All of a sudden, six or seven complete strangers are backing my play, and the guy directly behind me will swear on a stack of bibles he lost his footing and pushed me.

Oh, and I don't start to really have fun in a fight until I've taken a couple of shots.

There you go! Fix it the political way! With "dishonesty"! wtg rich!

Are you a republican btw?

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:31:58 PM

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Oh, and I don't start to really have fun in a fight until I've taken a couple of shots.

Now why does a guy that needs the support of several of his buddies make this kind of claim?

Fall down go boom?

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:36:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Thanks for the link, DC. The original email that sent me off to find the Snopes link also said it was the Anthem. More than one version circulating, perhaps?

I'm also kind of curious for other posters to educate me about which religions require intentional disrespect to the flag? I'm not talking about yarmulkes or veils here. Snarkism? Superiority Complexianism?

I studied with a religion that did not approve of saluting the flag, I studied with them off and on for a year... and that would be Jehovah Witnesses... there are other religions that do not allow it.

I am not a Jehovah's Witness, but I also do not believe in loyalty oaths being thrust upon me in public places... and I also believe I owe allegiance to God as I know her

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:38:48 PM

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And my friends will swear that in the shock of the moment I started flailing around and didn't mean to send my elbow through your nose there for shattering it, but tragically you just happend to be to close to me.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

It's one of those funny moments, Sugar. All of a sudden, six or seven complete strangers are backing my play, and the guy directly behind me will swear on a stack of bibles he lost his footing and pushed me.

Oh, and I don't start to really have fun in a fight until I've taken a couple of shots.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:41:50 PM

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And my friends will swear that in the shock of the moment I started flailing around and didn't mean to send my elbow through your nose there for shattering it, but tragically you just happend to be to close to me.

Hey dont you think we deserve a warning before you post something like that? once again i have to clean my keyboard and monitor! LOL

Damn soda is so slippery! LOL

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:42:57 PM

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I guess it's OK for Bush to wipe his ass with the constitution as long as he stands for the anthem.

I think it's time for the US voters to move beyond symbols and into reality. You don't want to be putting another collosal scewup into the Whitehouse so soon after saying farewell to the present incumbent. The world is counting on you to vote with your brains this time. Please don't let us down again.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:46:58 PM

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HUH????

The hell we dont!

We are already digging in.

Republicans on one side and democrats on the other cocked locked and loaded.

People dont give a shit today, its nothing more than a football game. As long as my side wins thats all that counts at all costs. The hatfields and mcCoys while our consitution is being burned.

Its the fued that counts! Not the constitution.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 10:58:01 PM

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Now why does a guy that needs the support of several of his buddies make this kind of claim?

Fall down go boom?

Oh, I've wound up getting my ass kicked over a principle more than twice, Sugar. It's just nice to know I'll be back in my seat for the end of the game. Not buddies. Complete strangers.

The Hard Left, and those who court them, need to remember that the Flag is sacred to more than just right-wing, sadistic assholes, such as myself.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 11:02:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessMine

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

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ORIGINAL: GoddessMine

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Well yeah but for various reasons even before this I wouldn't vote for him, although...Hilary could embroider a flag in gold and I wouldn't vote for her......not alot of choices between the many evils...omg...am I talking politics here...damn it....

I would never vote for Hillary either, although Obama was a possible contender for my vote if he won the primary.

I am a Dennis Kucinich sorta gal... although since the democrats will not support him my vote will likely be cast for a Green or some other third party

I feel the same as you.

As an aside: I am NOT baiting here, but I've seen pictures and videos, and of course stories from My perfect guy, of dead/dying soldiers and it is NOT noble. Perhaps symbolically, but it's some of the saddest and sickening sights ever.

Love,
GM

I guess you don't quite understand...His act of volunteering for his country and going to war, however was a noble act. To say our soliders are not noble and brave regardless of what the administration does, is just foolish.

I understand, but I only wrote as such because earlier you said that his death was noble - right?
But I think, as you expanded here, that you meant that his volunteering and service was commendable and noble.

Blah, it's silly - I don't want to put words in your mouth or make assumptions.

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trust me at 22 you don't come close to seeing as much of it as I have or living with the consequences.

Love,
GM

It's just semantics. Thank you for explaining. I'm sorry if I misunderstood.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 11/30/2007 11:33:11 PM

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The Hard Left, and those who court them, need to remember that the Flag is sacred to more than just right-wing, sadistic assholes, such as myself.

Yeh now if people could only convince the hard right and those that would court them to give the constitution even 1/10th the respect they give the rag maybe this country would stand a fighting chance.

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 12/1/2007 12:20:59 AM

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Service is honorable...

It is the bastards that send them into harm's way that are dishonorable.

The thing is that they either draft em, lie to em, or bribe em to to get them in... and then they use them as cannon fodder... and it is the American people that do not hold their leaders responsible for squandering our children's lives that are the bottom line as to why it happens.

Yes..... Very well said. I know I was completely outa my mind when I ventured into the Oakland AFEE's station. My father tried like hell to talk me out of it.....but I ust didn't listen.

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LOL Sugar it's a good thing I know you just bait and say ridiculous things to get a response, because that's just silly. It is noble that he gave his life at 19. It's unfortunate how the administration handled it, but what he did was very noble. There's not a thing in the world you or anyone else anywhere can say to make me think otherwise.

Awww Sugar..... She just hasn't gotten to know you that well yet. Give her time.

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Do you enjoy getting kicked in the balls, a chop to the neck, or something else equally unpleasant?

Heh.....I try all the time to get dorks to spill stuff on me on purpose.....but it just never happens -- They just look at me with a blank stare.

One day I'll get lucky though....and I'll be sure to speak to Jesus on their behalf before I get my 8 to 15 seconds worth of my super-adrenalin filled exercise

- R

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RE: Hmmm. Has this been discussed? - 12/1/2007 3:07:53 AM

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How anyone can say the cause in VietNam was noble confuses me.
The only nobility I saw there was in the determination and suffering of the VietNamese people.
As has been pointed out its not the soldiers on the front line who are to blame.Its the misguided (?) policy makers.

I add the ? because it really depends whose aims you are intending to achieve.
War is good business NO?

Wrap everything up in the Flag and Nationalism and bingo.... off we go again.

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