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RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/18/2005 4:36:25 AM   
Leonidas


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LA and kya, I have greatly found less to reply to also on these boards recently. Although I am relatively new on this board, and therefore are not totally familiar with the collarme cycles, it seems that a higher incidence of new peoples' first posts are more negative than when I first joined, and more along the lines of appearances,protocol , and "political BDSM correctness as has been previously stated, instead of wiitwd.


What you are describing here is the behavior of people who are new to just about anything. When you're just starting out, "the rules" are easier to comprehend than the philosophical underpinnings of those rules. New folks are just dying to find out what the rules are, so that they can then regurgitate the rules to show how knowledgeable they are. New BDSMer, Newly Born-Again, New Recruit. Same-Same. Learning to think in context and reason about any human endeavor requires experience, and that takes...well... experience.

I commented to someone recently on these boards that, based on the question that they were asking, they were probably new, in part because of what I'm talking about here. They were trying to put some stakes in the ground about what the "rules" are, rather than reasoning about the situation at hand.

An internet message board is more approachable and less high-risk than seeking out local face-to-face community. If you screw up here, you can just change your nick and start over. It's not suprising that a board like this would attract a vocal contingent of those who are either wanting to define "the rules" or looking to demonstrate their mastery of "the rules".

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RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/18/2005 11:02:28 AM   
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Maybe incoherent thoughts but there's so much swirling around in my head reading this thread.

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ORIGINAL: Rover

AAkasha, I'm running out the door so this reply will be as concise and brief as possible.

I believe the issue we're both dancing around is that sharing an interest in power exchange relationships, or kinks, or fetishes, or this lifestyle in general, is (quite often) not enough to sustain a rewarding, fulfilling, healthy relationship. It does not guarantee compatibility. And yet, all too frequently, the assumption is that any two lifestylers (again, define it as you like) are perfect for one another.

At it's heart, "this" (particularly the power exchange relationship since it's ongoing, and many B/D S/M practitioners meet only to engage in those activities) is still a relationship, like any lifestyle. And we need fulfillment and compatibility on all the levels inherent to any other lifestyle relationship, not solely the power exchange, kinks or fetishes.

I do hope that makes sense. If not, I'll be back late today.

John[/font
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I suppose this is part of the reason I too do not consider myself a "lifestyler." Even in a 24/7 D/s relationship I would not define it as my lifestyle. There is too much else that is really important to me and takes up a great deal of my time --- religion, sprituality, yoga, travel, music, life. So general, overall compatibility is much more important to me. Are our values, goals, and ethics compatible? Does that make it harder to find someone? Sure does. But my friends who have no interest in WIITWD have just as hard a time of it.

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LadyAngelika
What I am having difficulty with, and I went through the same thing with the Queer community 5 years ago, is finding where I fit in all this. I dated women and it was all good when there were just women in my life but the moment I fucked a guy, it all turned to shit because then I wasn’t real. I was just a lesbian when it was convenient to me. It took a while for me to figure out that I was just a very open-minded, sexual being.

I am so much more then my kink, just as I am so much more then my sexual identity. I have a career which is actually more like a vocation in the sense that I go speak at conferences in my field, write research papers and develop new applications, I publish and my opinions are sought after by my peers, etc. That is just another facet of my life. But I am not my career.

What I do helps define who I am but I don’t define myself based on what I do.

So why try and label myself?


I've also come to terms with the fact that I don't fit into anyone's box. I don't fit. And I'm not going to try to. Always some part of me is trying to burst out over hang over the edge. When I was in the lesbian community I was black, in my spiritual community I was gay, at work, well everything not work related is left at home. By other's definitions I'm not this enough or that enough. So I've become quite a label-phobe over the years. In the end I don't even think it makes it more difficult to communicate since everyone's has his/her own definitions. Would much rather take the time to actually discuss who I am, to learn about who he is. And anyone who needs to take the express route is probably not compatible anyway. I am who I am and that really works for me.


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RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/20/2005 9:51:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MsIncognito

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

And the others who are seeking need to "get themselves" also. I am pretty sure, after much trial and error, that I do, indeed, "get Myself", and as a result, I will not settle for less than I know I need to be happy.


I used to try and "get myself" and thought it was the way to be happy. Eventually, I got tired of the seemingly endless self-analysis and decided to "accept myself" instead. Unless there is some pathological basis for something (and I don't think my enjoyment of BDSM is rooted in pathology in the least) I just accept that I am the way I am and enjoy life all the more for it.


My quest to "get myself" is not about a quest for happiness. I'm actually a pretty happy person. I'm happy with my life overall. Of course there would be a few things that I want to change and most of the time, I end up working through them.

My quest to "get myself" has more to do with self-actualization. I'm a very analytical person. That is an inherent part of my personality. To ask me to stop analysing is like to ask me to stop breathing. To stop trying to get myself would therefore make me unhappy.

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RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/20/2005 9:54:38 AM   
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An internet message board is more approachable and less high-risk than seeking out local face-to-face community. If you screw up here, you can just change your nick and start over. It's not suprising that a board like this would attract a vocal contingent of those who are either wanting to define "the rules" or looking to demonstrate their mastery of "the rules".


Very good point Leo. That is very much in line with a whole bunch of other exploration that people try out first online.

- LA

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RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/20/2005 9:57:06 AM   
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And anyone who needs to take the express route is probably not compatible anyway.


Oh I love this line!! I hope you don't mind if I quote you sometime ;)

- LA

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RE: The non-lifestyler perspective - 8/20/2005 12:34:34 PM   
arayofsunshine55


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Thank you. Feel free to.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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And anyone who needs to take the express route is probably not compatible anyway.


Oh I love this line!! I hope you don't mind if I quote you sometime ;)

- LA



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Is it not most transformative, most earthshaking, to pierce the veils of self-deception and illusion, and crack the eggshell of ignorance, to most intimately encounter oneself? Lama Surya Das

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