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Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 6:02:01 PM   
daddyncherry


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Status: offline 		i hope that i won't open some can of worms here by starting this thread, it is totally not my intent. i also didn't want to hijack the other "property" thread going on now )"Being Owned" so i thought i'd start this one.

i am a bit confused honestly, i hear people saying that they felt the need to be property and i don't actually know what that means exactly.

my Daddy is my Master, and yes he owns me and we are 24/7 and all of that....so i guess that i am property in a sense, yet it seems like others are speaking of being property differently.

i don't look at my Daddy as my "Owner" so much, just really doesn't occur to me and i don't generally "feel like" property, and yet since i don't really understand that term entirely (as it doesn't come into play with us) i'm nt really sure if maybe i do.

So what does being property mean to you?
What is the difference between an Owner and say a Daddy, Master etc ? (to you)
What is the difference between slave, sub and property? (to you)

Curious to see the responses.


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 6:20:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I refer to Master as my Owner, both are interchangeable for me. I am not his property and  he calls me his slave. I could never ever call him daddy. Daddy was the term I called my real dad and my adopted dad. I guess the parental factor comes into  it too much.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 6:32:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		There have been quite a few posts/threads lately that assume one is better than the other or one progresses from the other.  I don't think either of those things are true. I don't think (with a few exceptions like breathing, consuming nutrients, etc) anything can be said to be good for others merely because it is good for one.  Really, whatever dynamic two people chose that works for them as a couple is what is right and better for them.  It may be an entirely different dynamic that is right and better for others.

You don't use the dynamic or terms of Owned or Property and that's fine.  From your posts I think you are in a stable healthy relationship that works very well for you.  That's all that matters. 


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 6:33:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Being his property adds an element of objectification to my slavery.  It brings me to a less-than-human mindset, while still knowing I am human.  It makes me powerless to him, and at his whim.  As his property, what I think or feel about something may or may not be considered by him.  There are times he just does not care what I feel about something (usually those are times when he needs to bring me to a particular emotional state for my own good, regardless of what I think of it).  Property creates a chasm between us - between his place as Master and my place as slave.  It leaves me feeling small to him and very vulnerable.  I love it.  It is not for everyone, for sure. 

My experience with Daddy-Dom is that of tenderness, sweetness, even some coddling.  That is a path that does not work for me, although I understand its place in the relationships of others.

As for slave versus sub....I'm not going there

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 6:34:15 PM   
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quote:



So what does being property mean to you?
What is the difference between an Owner and say a Daddy, Master etc ? (to you)
What is the difference between slave, sub and property? (to you)

Curious to see the responses.



The only difference to me is the unique psycho-headspace individuals take in their own relationships.

If I view someone as a "daughter", then I relate to them one way. If I view someone as "my property", I relate to them another way. If I view someone as a "girlfriend"...well...I hope I never have to relate to someone as their "boyfriend" ever again.

There is no difference to me (at least, anymore) that I can write down as some kind of black and white set of qualifications that people have to meet to be a daughter or property or a submissive.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 6:37:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: daddyncherry

i hope that i won't open some can of worms here by starting this thread, it is totally not my intent. i also didn't want to hijack the other "property" thread going on now )"Being Owned" so i thought i'd start this one.

i am a bit confused honestly, i hear people saying that they felt the need to be property and i don't actually know what that means exactly.

my Daddy is my Master, and yes he owns me and we are 24/7 and all of that....so i guess that i am property in a sense, yet it seems like others are speaking of being property differently.

i don't look at my Daddy as my "Owner" so much, just really doesn't occur to me and i don't generally "feel like" property, and yet since i don't really understand that term entirely (as it doesn't come into play with us) i'm nt really sure if maybe i do.

So what does being property mean to you?
What is the difference between an Owner and say a Daddy, Master etc ? (to you)
What is the difference between slave, sub and property? (to you)

Curious to see the responses.



We use the terms property and owner. We don't use master or slave very often at all. We mean property by its dictionary definition...something owned, a possession. We believe it is a more accurate description of our dynamic. There is a hierarchy maintained between us, he eats much higher on the food chain than I do..best way I can describe it.

I don't have an opinion on what the diferences between sub/slave/master/dom/daddy etc. since they can mean anything.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 6:50:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3

There have been quite a few posts/threads lately that assume one is better than the other or one progresses from the other.  I don't think either of those things are true. I don't think (with a few exceptions like breathing, consuming nutrients, etc) anything can be said to be good for others merely because it is good for one.  Really, whatever dynamic two people chose that works for them as a couple is what is right and better for them.  It may be an entirely different dynamic that is right and better for others.

You don't use the dynamic or terms of Owned or Property and that's fine.  From your posts I think you are in a stable healthy relationship that works very well for you.  That's all that matters. 



you make a good point, and i was hoping/hope that it doesn't go into one of "those" conversations..you know the kind...about one being better yadda yadda.

Oh and thank yu for your assessment of my relationship


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 6:51:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: daddyncherry

quote:

ORIGINAL: laurell3

There have been quite a few posts/threads lately that assume one is better than the other or one progresses from the other.  I don't think either of those things are true. I don't think (with a few exceptions like breathing, consuming nutrients, etc) anything can be said to be good for others merely because it is good for one.  Really, whatever dynamic two people chose that works for them as a couple is what is right and better for them.  It may be an entirely different dynamic that is right and better for others.

You don't use the dynamic or terms of Owned or Property and that's fine.  From your posts I think you are in a stable healthy relationship that works very well for you.  That's all that matters. 



you make a good point, and i was hoping/hope that it doesn't go into one of "those" conversations..you know the kind...about one being better yadda yadda.



Sorry but the OP you refer to IS one of those.  I don't think there's an answer, it's really all what works for you hon. You've been around enough to know that asking what a label means won't ever give any type of definitive answer, nor should it. The question of the difference between a sub and slave has to have at least 20 threads in the last year, most of them ending in massive argument.  Thus my continued insistence that none mean anything other than to the person they are applied to.

and you're quite welcome

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 6:53:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: daddyncherry

We use the terms property and owner. We don't use master or slave very often at all. We mean property by its dictionary definition...something owned, a possession. We believe it is a more accurate description of our dynamic. There is a hierarchy maintained between us, he eats much higher on the food chain than I do..best way I can describe it.

It is the same with us. i am valued, cherrished and loved, i just feel so much more closer to him and so much more totally owned. i feel a deeper connection as property.
In my opinion no one can answer the question what is the difference acuretly, because it is different for everyone. It means what you and your Dominate decides it to mean.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 6:58:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Being his property adds an element of objectification to my slavery.  It brings me to a less-than-human mindset, while still knowing I am human.  It makes me powerless to him, and at his whim.  As his property, what I think or feel about something may or may not be considered by him.  There are times he just does not care what I feel about something (usually those are times when he needs to bring me to a particular emotional state for my own good, regardless of what I think of it).  Property creates a chasm between us - between his place as Master and my place as slave.  It leaves me feeling small to him and very vulnerable.  I love it.  It is not for everyone, for sure. 

My experience with Daddy-Dom is that of tenderness, sweetness, even some coddling.  That is a path that does not work for me, although I understand its place in the relationships of others.

As for slave versus sub....I'm not going there


THIS IS WHAT i was looking for.....the part i bolded out.....that is a different head space....a different thing...that is sometimes present in our relationship....

Thanks ownedgirlie


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 7:02:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

We use the terms property and owner. We don't use master or slave very often at all. We mean property by its dictionary definition...something owned, a possession. We believe it is a more accurate description of our dynamic. There is a hierarchy maintained between us, he eats much higher on the food chain than I do..best way I can describe it.

It is the same with us. i am valued, cherrished and loved, i just feel so much more closer to him and so much more totally owned. i feel a deeper connection as property.
In my opinion no one can answer the question what is the difference acuretly, because it is different for everyone. It means what you and your Dominate decides it to mean.



That is why i put next to each one (to you)....i want to know, how those who identify or are identified as property feel...where they distinguish the difference.

It seems similar to our relationship too....the higher on the fod chain thing...i am owned by him, i am his possession.....loved and all of that too.

i know there are no right or wrong answers.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 7:05:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3


You don't use the dynamic or terms of Owned or Property and that's fine.  From your posts I think you are in a stable healthy relationship that works very well for you.  That's all that matters. 


i actually do used the term owned, because i am...But i identify as slave and am identified as slave by my Daddy....but he is also my Master.

quote:


Thus my continued insistence that none mean anything other than to the person they are applied to.



This is what i am trying to find out...from those wh identify as such, what it means to them.




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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 7:12:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh and i should clarify...

In my OP i meant what is the difference between sub/slave & property.... i was sooo not trying to go down the road about the difference btw sub and slave AT ALL.


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 7:17:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well for us I am his property and his slave. The two he uses interchangeably. That is what works for us and how we do it. Some people like to separate terms to fit them and some , like us , use them  interchangeably. Just our thing I guess.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 7:18:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Being his property adds an element of objectification to my slavery.  It brings me to a less-than-human mindset, while still knowing I am human.  It makes me powerless to him, and at his whim.  As his property, what I think or feel about something may or may not be considered by him.  There are times he just does not care what I feel about something (usually those are times when he needs to bring me to a particular emotional state for my own good, regardless of what I think of it).  Property creates a chasm between us - between his place as Master and my place as slave.  It leaves me feeling small to him and very vulnerable.  I love it.  It is not for everyone, for sure.


I don't think I could have put it any better.  I will say that the only difference is that he does care how I feel, but for the most part doesn't let it control his ultimate decision - I would guess depending on the issue my feelings may or may not factor in - but I know that regardless of the decision he does care about how I feel.

However I do find that the property creates a bit of  distance and sense of place which I find helpful.

C~


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 7:55:31 PM   
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So what does being property mean to you?

To me, being my Master's property means that He has Ownership Rights over me and He decides how He wants to use me.  Just like someone who has some acreage of land has ownership rights over that land and then decides how they want to use it, whether for grazing or farming or for a residence or a combination of those or other uses.

Primarily, He uses me as His slave and that's how i am identified.  First and foremost, i am my Master's property.  But, as His property, if He decides that He wants to use me in some other fashion then, that is how i would be identified.  He determines my place in His life, not me.
quote:

What is the difference between an Owner and say a Daddy, Master etc ? (to you)

Owner is what He is and Master is what i call Him.  Either Master or Sir.  i don't call Him Owner or Owner David.  His name is Master, to me.  He owns me, therefor, i am His property.  He is not my Daddy.  i don't have a Daddy/daughter relationship with Him.  If He wanted me to become a daughter to Him, that would be His choice and, as His property, i would adapt to what He wants.
quote:

What is the difference between slave, sub and property? (to you)
i am the property of Master David.  He chooses to use me as His slave.  i am submissive to Him.  To me, it's the same as to say that i am the employee of Master David and He chooses to use me as His personal assistant.  i am subordinate to Him.
 
Edited to add:  i don't feel less human by being His property.  i feel more a part of the human race than i ever have because i finally feel like i have a place to belong and someone to belong to.  i am no longer wondering about, trying to find my place in this world.  i do feel powerless under His control.  i also feel more complete and content.  i feel that i am fulfilling my intended purpose by being the property of a very capable, caring, and honorable Master. 
 
Being His property gives me peace of mind and a feeling of certainty and security.  i know my place.  i know what is expected of me and what i am required to do.  i don't have to guess and try to figure out what i am supposed to do.  i don't have to worry about possibly guessing wrong and being thrown out for making a mistake.  He knows i'm human.  He knows that i'm not perfect but, He also knows that i do my best and i learn from my mistakes and i'm highly motivated to serving Him in the manner that He chooses.
 
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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 8:08:33 PM   
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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 8:11:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

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ORIGINAL: daddyncherry

So what does being property mean to you?

To me, being my Master's property means that He has Ownership Rights over me and He decides how He wants to use me.  Just like someone who has some acreage of land has ownership rights over that land and then decides how they want to use it, whether for grazing or farming or for a residence or a combination of those or other uses.

Primarily, He uses me as His slave and that's how i am identified.  First and foremost, i am my Master's property.  But, as His property, if He decides that He wants to use me in some other fashion then, that is how i would be identified.  He determines my place in His life, not me.
quote:

What is the difference between an Owner and say a Daddy, Master etc ? (to you)

Owner is what He is and Master is what i call Him.  Either Master or Sir.  i don't call Him Owner or Owner David.  His name, is Master, to me.  He owns me, therefor, i am His property.  He is not my Daddy.  i don't have a Daddy/daughter relationship with Him.  If He wanted me to become a daughter to Him, that would be His choice and, as His property, i would adapt to what He wants.
quote:

What is the difference between slave, sub and property? (to you)
i am the property of Master David.  He chooses to use me as His slave.  i am submissive to Him.  To me, it's the same as to say that i am the employee of Master David and He chooses to use me as His personal assistant.  i am subordinate to Him.
 
slave joy
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Thank you so much for this response. It was your response on the other thread that actually led me to post this topic...something you said in the vein of being property made me think....

your explanation is perfect for me to understand.....that being said, i don't think it would mean the same to eveyone else....

So it can be kind of what i had thought for myself.....

i am owned by my Daddy, and therefore his property but i am his slave and lil girl (tho not daughter)...He does choose to use me as he sees fit and i am to be his "little anything and everything" (whatever he choose for me to be at the time)...He owns me, so esentially he is my owner, but he is my Master and my Daddy.

Thanks joy


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 8:11:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Being his property adds an element of objectification to my slavery.  It brings me to a less-than-human mindset, while still knowing I am human.  It makes me powerless to him, and at his whim.  As his property, what I think or feel about something may or may not be considered by him.  There are times he just does not care what I feel about something (usually those are times when he needs to bring me to a particular emotional state for my own good, regardless of what I think of it).  Property creates a chasm between us - between his place as Master and my place as slave.  It leaves me feeling small to him and very vulnerable.  I love it.  It is not for everyone, for sure.


I don't think I could have put it any better.  I will say that the only difference is that he does care how I feel, but for the most part doesn't let it control his ultimate decision - I would guess depending on the issue my feelings may or may not factor in - but I know that regardless of the decision he does care about how I feel.

However I do find that the property creates a bit of  distance and sense of place which I find helpful.

C~



Hi Wildfleurs,

I so often agree with what you post.  I want to clarify, for what it's worth, that only sometimes he claims to not care what I am feeling about something.  Most often he does.  I certainly don't want to misrepresent him.  But there are indeed times when he knows where he takes me will be difficult, but knows I need to go there anyway.    As you said, however, it does not control his ultimate decision. 

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 8:28:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		This made me smile.  It's really so sweet.  It warms my heart whenever i hear that others have found the special relationship that gives them what they desire.  That's what i wish for everyone, to find that sort of fulfillment and happiness that you always express in your posts about you and your Daddy. 
 
slave joy
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ORIGINAL: daddyncherry

i am to be his "little anything and everything" (whatever he choose for me to be at the time)...He owns me, so esentially he is my owner, but he is my Master and my Daddy.

Thanks joy


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